So let me get this straight

[PA_jen]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/06/covid-stimulus-update-senate-passes-1point9-trillion-relief-bill.html

The covid bill just gets by with no republican support even though the $15.00 min wage and $400.00 unemployment was messed by a democratic Senator who demanded these changes to get by patrician support.

American people are still out a semi- decent age.

Less Americans are getting $1400 stimulus checks

Less unemployment money.

And I'm suppose to be happy that this bill isn't going to help as many people as it could and expect this bill will make a strong case for democratic wins in 2022?

What the Actual Fuck!

Sorry I don't see it.

[samnsara]

1. im sorry you dont see it either. This is a a 'big fucking deal'....

...as Joe says

[Demsrule86]

56. Yes it is! The Democratic Senator rocks and they ended the filibuster against Garland too...

[FlyingPiggy]

83. Yes! That was pretty damn slick.

[Bettie]

76. I think the point was that

Zero Republicans were ever going to vote for it.

So, why did we go through the machinations to make it more "palatable" to them, when it was a foregone conclusion that none would cross the aisle? Ever. In any situation.

So, they got Democrats to ensure that some people are going to feel screwed over. They can put out campaign ads about how "Democrats don't care about the middle class, remember, you got two checks from Trump, now Biden decided you are TOO RICH to deserve help!".

Are they being disingenuous about it? Yeah, but in the end, there will be people who say "YEAH! Trump helped me, Biden didn't!"

And for what?

What made this outcome BETTER than the original bill?

Or is the argument that Democrats would have voted against it if it wasn't watered down?

[FlyingPiggy]

82. It sure is!!

[leftstreet]

2. But progressives can now fundraise off moderate Dems

er...wut?

You're not wrong

DURec

[Demsrule86]

57. Well perhaps they would be better served expanding their message at the grass roots level...people

clearly are not receiving it.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

3. I bet the people whose UI benefits run out next week think differently. nt

[lark]

4. Same with foreclosures.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

9. So really, what happened was that unemployment benefits were INCREASED

by $300/week for 6 months.

[lark]

12. Excellent for those that need it. Glad this got through. n/t

[PA_jen]

13. How about those people like a friend of mine who has NEVER seen unemployment since

being laid off March 2020 because PA went broke and could pay just the normal unemployment never mind the $600 additional.

Also this individual Makes the amount of the cut off for the stimulus. Savings Gone. Cashed out 401K and bonds just to make ends meet.

[blue neen]

19. I know people in PA who got the extra $600.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

20. They've been unemployed since March 2020 and make enough money to not get stimulus

That's quite an acheivement. Made a whole lot of money in January and February?

[SammyWinstonJack]

36. Something doesn't add up.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

37. This the Left's version of the "Welfare Queen"?

[JI7]

69. Yup, these stories get weird when you ask for specifics

[Demsrule86]

61. Money was sent to the states in this bill. But I looked at the situation in PA, other than

when the GOP allowed unemployment to lapse, I don't see any issues.

[karynnj]

68. If she was laid off in March 2020, her income would have come just from the first 3 months

especially as you say she didn't get the enhanced unemployment. When she files 2020 taxes, she will likely get the 2020 payments and be eligible for the new one.

[Hekate]

5. You've heard of rose-colored glasses? Another kind of glasses, all smeary, need a good cleaning...

...So you can see what’s really there.

Sorry this isn’t making your day, but this — like the not 100% perfect ACA — is a BFD.

[caber09]

6. Like President Obama just said...

This landmark legislation will help families pay rent and put food on the table, lift millions of children out of poverty, make health care more affordable, aid small businesses, fund broad-based vaccination efforts, and make it easier for states to reopen schools....this is a huge deal...you think people running out of benefits next week and having to go weeks without benefits while negotiations dragged on and reconciliation was blown would be a winning msg? Nope this is a historic bill that will help a lot of people and provide much needed aid for all aspects of the virus recovery and help out states that have been waiting on this for almost a year..this is a huge fn deal!

[leftstreet]

14. "healthcare more affordable" tons of money to Insurers n/t

[caber09]

28. Progress comes before perfection..

"And the bill subsidizes 100 percent of COBRA insurance coverage for jobless Americans, up from 85 percent in the House version."

[Mr.Bill]

7. Be happy for this reason...

A shitload of people, along with schools, cities, small businesses and the vaccine program are going to get some help, and in the 2022 campaigns, any Democratic candidate can say that not one republican voted for any of it.

That is a big fucking deal, and the republicans just shot themselves in the foot and are too stupid to realize it.

[PA_jen]

15. And I'm thinking of the Americans that got left out in the cold.

sorry I feel this got too water down.

[Mr.Bill]

24. Your opinion is valid.

I somewhat feel the same way. But I think we got the best result considering what (and who) we had to work with. There is lots of upside here, both practically and politically.

[Demsrule86]

63. It is a terrific bill and you are wrong.

[Celerity]

8. Is it only 300 usd per week UE? I was told by another poster that Manchin was playing 5 dimensional

chess by voting for the Rethug amendment and that another amendment would restore it back to 400 usd per week.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

21. The Republican was $300, cut off in July

After that passed, the Democrats went back and amended it to $300, ending in September (a month longer than the initial bill) AND made it non taxable for under $150K.

[Celerity]

32. no, this is not correct, the House bill was 400usd pw until August 29th, the Senate version

only extends it a few more weeks but is on net a lot less.

the House bill was 22 weeks (all of April through August 29) at 400 pw which is 8800 usd

The bill now only extends it one more week and at only 300 pw that is 23 weeks X 300 thus 6900 usd total, almost 2000 usd less

even it was through all of September it is still less , 26 weeks X 300 usd is 7800 usd, 1000 usd less in toto

The new plan is to extend the current $300 weekly federal unemployment payments through Sept. 6, rather than the end of September as Senate Democrats had planned. The first $10,200 in unemployment benefits received in 2020 by households earning $150,000 or less would also be nontaxable.

[WarGamer]

35. You're 100% correct.

[Celerity]

45. Is the final bill extension for UE until September 6th or the end of September? TIA

[WarGamer]

47. Last day Sept 6

[Celerity]

51. damn, so almost 2000 usd cut from millions in UE, and not by Rethugs, but by Manchin

He is doing his level best to toss multiple spanners in the works of our 2022 election chances, plus it invites intra-party sniping.

[WarGamer]

53. exactly.

My swimming pool guy has lost like 90% of his business...

He's been doing pools for 20 years, he's not going to go be a greeter at WalMart.

So after 9/7... sink or swim!!

[AZSkiffyGeek]

72. That's per person

So it's probably gonna be a few billion.

[Celerity]

74. cut from millions of people is what I was saying nt

[AZSkiffyGeek]

75. Ah - I'm having trouble comprehending today

I blame legal weed.

[Fullduplexxx]

10. Well you can focus on that and let the perfect be the enemy of the good

And ignore the fact that dems dont have a big enough majority to satisfy your wish list or tou can be happy for what the bill does provide... it's your choice

[OnDoutside]

11. $1.9 trillion and people still aren't happy....lol

[lark]

17. Since the limited UE and who qualified for the $1400, wouldn't the amount decrease?

Or did the money saved from the reductions just get rolled into another part of the bill, say an increase in the money to schools?

[OnDoutside]

23. I do know that they extended the UE into September, and they added

a very last minute amendment which included extra workers comp payments costing $10bn. Rob Portman was bitching about it, but it went through anyway.

[lark]

25. Cool, would rather the money go there than to the wealthy.

[malaise]

44. Be careful we're not getting a

six for a nine

[OnDoutside]

52. Lol !

[brush]

16. Place the blame where it belongs. There are two DINO senators...

who forced these compromises into the bill. However, the actual Democrats in the Senate persisted and got a bill passed despite our two disloyal senators and the entire republican caucuses' efforts, that will help millions, get support to small businesses, help renters and mortgagees keep their homes, help the states with millions in funding, help everyone get vaccinated from covid for free which will help teachers and parents as schools can now re-open and parents can go back to work which will spur the economy.

Look at it that way. There's much more in the bill than what's not in it.

Give credit where it's due too, and sit back and make plans for what you will do with your $1400 check to help spark an economic rebound.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

22. Why not place the blame on the 49-50 Republicans who didn't vote for it at all? nt

[brush]

26. I did. Re-read it. I said despite the efforts of the entire republcan caucus.

[comradebillyboy]

18. You can't see a big win for Biden and the country?

Do you think getting 95% of the package is a loss?

I guess some folks will never be satisfied with actual progress.

[mcar]

27. Maybe take another look, without the negativity

What people will see is more money in their pockets, less stress and relief to schools, cities, and clinics.

Most people do not pay attention to the minutiae of the sausage making process.

This is a huge deal that will help people.

It will make a very strong case for Democratic wins in 2022.

[marble falls]

29. Jebus. We've had only 45 or so freaking day's in power, for pete's sakes.

[CentralMass]

33. And we lilled the $15.hr all by ourselves.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

38. No we didn't

It couldn't be brought up in reconciliation. So Bernie did some theater that wouldn't have accomplished anything even if the 8 Democrats voted for it.

[CentralMass]

46. We have already settled into the same politics of the last 4 decades, This bill was influenced by

monied innterests as always, Pew Researh found that 2/3 of Aericans are in fsvor of $15/hr minium wage.The bill ending being in full control by the Democratic party and they caved. They didn't cave on voting for the massive giveaway to the rich and corporation in the 2020 Care Act but the $15 inimum wage was worth caving on in this bill.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

54. Keep on blaming the Dems

I’m going to celebrate a big victory that will help people.

[ShazzieB]

59. Me, too! 👍👍👍👍👍

[CentralMass]

60. I applaud the positive in the bill but business as usual will leave the middle and poor classes

spiraling down the drain. It was a unilateral bill both in content and in the vote tally.They battle to strip down the bill was an internal one.

[Demsrule86]

64. No we didn't...we could get the 60 votes needed....seriously people who want to find something

wrong...it is a good bill.

[LakeArenal]

30. Some people view this as if this was something we could debate forever.

People don’t really need this money in late March. They needed it six months ago.
This survival payment is not stimulus to a lot of people. It’s survival. It will be stimulus in the fact it will help people owe less. Just less. Still in deep trouble financially. This should be the fifth aid package to the public.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

39. And who's fault is that?

Hint, it's not the Democrats....

[LakeArenal]

73. That isn't my point. The post is about not getting enough.

And how we feel about it.

We passed it. That’s important and a big effing deal as many before me said as well.

[LizBeth]

31. I think your post is a problem but not going to waste time with it. I am sure people will spell it

out for you but I wanted to be standing with those people and giving them a thumbs up.

[WarGamer]

34. Already seeing people say "Got 600 from Trump, 300 now?"

[SoonerPride]

40. Tell them to blame republicans then

[AZSkiffyGeek]

43. How did they get $600 from Trump, but aren't getting as much now?

The payments decrease AFTER 75K. So if they got $600, they're getting $1400. Unless they made more in 2020 than they did in 2019.

Cool story though.

[WarGamer]

48. Did you forget Stimulus pkg #1?

UI Fed bonus was 600/wk

[JI7]

71. Trump and Republicans opposed extending it

just like they oppose what is happening now and prefer no help.

[Kingofalldems]

77. They're getting $1400 now.

So what are you talking about?

[WarGamer]

81. As I clearly wrote... UI benefits.

[Demsrule86]

65. sure. you are...I wonder what you would get now from Trump...big fat zero.

[mcar]

80. Where are you seeing this?

Show us please.

[doc03]

41. It is a negotiation like a union always asks for way

more than they expect to get. We were lucky to get that with you know who in the Senate. The Senator from one of the poorest states has to have cuts.

[malaise]

42. My only response

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

[Dem4Life1102]

49. Please don't make the perfect

the enemy of the good.

[WhiteTara]

50. What I thought interesting about the unemployment

is that the House said $400 end July 31, Senate $300 and end Sept 6 plus first $10,200 is tax-free. It's the same amount of money just spread out differently. Smart.

[Demsrule86]

55. Do you want to see it? And eight Senators voted against the minimum wage part...so

one wonders why you seem so bent on snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory...hmmmmm

[marie999]

66. No they did not vote against the "minimum wage part".

They voted against going against the parliamentarian. If it had passed and the $15/hour minimum wage went into the bill then you can bet the Republicans would take it to court and no one would get anything.

[ShazzieB]

58. Oh, for Pete's sake!

Go find somebody else's parade to run on, why don't you?

Sorry this bill doesn't meet your high standards, but I've got news: the perfect (hypothetical) bill that you are comparing to the real one that actually passed was never, ever, ever going to pass in its entirety, exactly as originally proposed, with every single provision intact. Not with the very tenuous majority Dems have in the Senate. It wasn't going to happen. The fact that a bill containing huge amounts of help for the American people has passed with most of what Biden wanted in it is amazing and yes, a B.F.D.

If you don't feel like celebrating, don't. That's your prerogative. I think it's a shame you can't see how great this, but if you can't, you can't. That doesn't make it okay to come in here and pour ice cold water on a joyful celebration.

Sorry if I sound a mite cranky, but this o.p. struck a very sour note with me.

[Demsrule86]

67. Me too...going to trash it...

[Alpeduez21]

62. on the other hand,

there was a very real chance that democracy wouldn't even exist anymore.

Take a look at all that the bill does. There is A LOT that is going on. Repukes still have to be dealt with so until Democratic messaging gets more votes in red districts everything will always be a fight.

[Kingofalldems]

70. Not a good try there.

[doc03]

78. Biden asked for a $1.9 trillion bill and he got $1.9 trillion how is that a loss? nt

[ahoysrcsm]

79. Thank you for your concern.

We need more doom and gloomers like you.