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sheshe2

(83,661 posts)
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 08:59 PM Mar 2021

Help him, don't fight him.




Dear Progressive Friends,
Joe Biden may not be Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders. However he may well be the most progressive US president since FDR & in many ways, he is much more progressive than him. He can make more progressive change happen. Help him, don't fight him.

Just look what he has accomplished in 40 days.
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Help him, don't fight him. (Original Post) sheshe2 Mar 2021 OP
President Joe Biden Got IT DONE.. Cha Mar 2021 #1
40 days, Cha. sheshe2 Mar 2021 #3
Pres Biden & Team are Brilliant.. I Cha Mar 2021 #5
Tell it, Sherrod. sheshe2 Mar 2021 #6
Yeah, Sen Sherrod Brown GETS IT! Cha Mar 2021 #12
Yes. He's confronted with the most pressing challenges since... brush Mar 2021 #2
So it must be time to play, blame the progressive? questionseverything Mar 2021 #4
I have seen a lot of blame here. sheshe2 Mar 2021 #8
The tweet literally says," dear progressives" questionseverything Mar 2021 #11
Those that call themselves progressive... sheshe2 Mar 2021 #21
I thought it was manchin messing with the bill, questionseverything Mar 2021 #41
Aww.. The tweet is asking them for Cha Mar 2021 #14
You're right about that. NurseJackie Mar 2021 #18
Thank you.. Cha Mar 2021 #22
Progressives ARE helping him wellst0nev0ter Mar 2021 #39
Look around this site over the past week mcar Mar 2021 #29
What? It's a positive OP. That's it. George II Mar 2021 #36
It doesn't seem to be the progressives that are fighting him... jcgoldie Mar 2021 #7
That does appear to be true in the Senate. n/t Mister Ed Mar 2021 #24
He's a man of action. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2021 #9
nothing wrong with more voices... stillcool Mar 2021 #10
Thank you, She! NurseJackie Mar 2021 #13
Thanks NurseJackie. sheshe2 Mar 2021 #15
Joe is going to be an amazing POTUS LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2021 #16
Biden is better than Warren and Sanders JI7 Mar 2021 #17
Yes. Cha Mar 2021 #46
the right man for this time demtenjeep Mar 2021 #19
Hah, I just read this. I actually used that exact word this morning. That's a powerful word! George II Mar 2021 #48
We're gonna have lots to like during the Biden Era. oasis Mar 2021 #20
I can only speak for the progressive using my keyboard at this moment.. IngridsLittleAngel Mar 2021 #23
Brava, Bella. sheshe2 Mar 2021 #25
Thank you Sheshe (and Cha).. IngridsLittleAngel Mar 2021 #27
Well said! mcar Mar 2021 #30
Thank you IngridsLittleAngel Mar 2021 #43
Keep on talking! sheshe2 Mar 2021 #49
Mahalo to you! Cha Mar 2021 #26
This! This! This! mcar Mar 2021 #28
He did it, mcar. sheshe2 Mar 2021 #31
What? wellst0nev0ter Mar 2021 #40
Did you not watch her confirmation hearing, particularly the opening half hour or so? George II Mar 2021 #47
Do you not know who scuttled her confirmation at the end? wellst0nev0ter Mar 2021 #52
There was no vote, and Manchin didn't interrogate Tanden during her Budget Committee hearing... George II Mar 2021 #53
That's a backbreaking reach wellst0nev0ter Mar 2021 #54
Reality isn't a reach, it's reality. What was the vote out of committee? What was the floor vote? George II Mar 2021 #55
You can say his name, you know wellst0nev0ter Mar 2021 #56
I think Biden has done a magnificent job, zero major issues at all with him. Same for Pelosi and Celerity Mar 2021 #32
Welp. sheshe2 Mar 2021 #33
The giant looming issue is the new John Lewis Voter's Rights Act (HR1) Celerity Mar 2021 #38
I like these ideas mcar Mar 2021 #44
Biden is accomplishing progressive actions. Gore1FL Mar 2021 #34
Spot on! United we stand against the shameful malevolence of Republican Prof.Higgins Mar 2021 #35
Even IF he wasn't as progressive as all that, he is STILL THE PRESIDENT YOU'VE GOT! BobTheSubgenius Mar 2021 #37
Oh I think President Biden is Progressive.. Cha Mar 2021 #42
Totally agree PatSeg Mar 2021 #45
Thanks, Pat. sheshe2 Mar 2021 #50
This was one time PatSeg Mar 2021 #57
My issues have been with a few grandstanding senators Bettie Mar 2021 #51

sheshe2

(83,661 posts)
3. 40 days, Cha.
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 09:13 PM
Mar 2021

In the midst of a pandemic which has, rightfully so been his main focus. However he and his team can multitask and have done so.

Cha

(296,876 posts)
5. Pres Biden & Team are Brilliant.. I
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 09:18 PM
Mar 2021

don't see anybody else who was able to get as Far as Joe Biden!

And, constructive criticism yes.. but No ******* Gaslighting! Look at the Damn Big Picture for ONCE!




brush

(53,743 posts)
2. Yes. He's confronted with the most pressing challenges since...
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 09:08 PM
Mar 2021

FDR's challenges, and even more than Pres. Obama's Great Recession obstacles.

Lincoln of course had the greatest tasks before him on taking office, then IMO, FDR, now Biden's and Obama's, from which Joe got valuable experience.

sheshe2

(83,661 posts)
8. I have seen a lot of blame here.
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 09:26 PM
Mar 2021

None of which was aimed at those deemed 'progressive'.

IMHO, progressive means progress. You get it done.

sheshe2

(83,661 posts)
21. Those that call themselves progressive...
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 10:06 PM
Mar 2021

and those that make progress.

pro·gres·sive
/prəˈɡresiv/

happening or developing gradually or in stages; proceeding step by step.



a person advocating or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas.
"people tend to present themselves either as progressives or traditionalists on this issue"

Cha

(296,876 posts)
14. Aww.. The tweet is asking them for
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 09:46 PM
Mar 2021

Help!

He can make more progressive change happen.

Sure isn't going to get from those who only think about themselves.
 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
39. Progressives ARE helping him
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 01:02 AM
Mar 2021

it's the rightwing democrats that have been fucking Biden all this time on the stimulus package and the Tanden nomination.

mcar

(42,278 posts)
29. Look around this site over the past week
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 10:53 PM
Mar 2021

We've been told we've already lost the House in 2022 because one thing wasn't included. Some insist on completely disregarding the historic affect of this bill.

jcgoldie

(11,613 posts)
7. It doesn't seem to be the progressives that are fighting him...
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 09:21 PM
Mar 2021

...so far its the other end of the Democratic Caucus...

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
10. nothing wrong with more voices...
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 09:30 PM
Mar 2021

it's just how those voices are used. It's one thing to advocate, another to just criticize. I think people in this country have lost the ability to be kind and civil.

JI7

(89,241 posts)
17. Biden is better than Warren and Sanders
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 10:02 PM
Mar 2021

His own history shows that even before he became President.

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
23. I can only speak for the progressive using my keyboard at this moment..
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 10:38 PM
Mar 2021

1. Even if he wasn't "my guy" during the 2020 primaries, I am so far very pleased and highly impressed with Biden, his efforts, his plans and everything he has done since he was sworn in, putting an end to a four year error/nightmare where we had no president.

2. I can once again only speak for this progressive, but, I am absolutely behind helping him, and will save my energy for fighting those who would rather sabotage Biden than stand with him.

I'll gladly take another 1400~ days like the first 40 or so.

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
27. Thank you Sheshe (and Cha)..
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 10:50 PM
Mar 2021

And I'll go a step further to say (ahh, the risks of posting without enough caffeine in the brain) that not only am I very impressed and pleased with Biden, I'll say his first 45 or so days in office are everything I would've imagined us having if the winner had been Sanders or Warren. Progressives should all be behind Biden because he has absolutely been progressive, and is showing no signs of slowing down or letting up.

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
43. Thank you
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 04:09 AM
Mar 2021

Though, I've been around for quite a few years. I've just spent more time lurking than posting until the last 10-12 months.

mcar

(42,278 posts)
28. This! This! This!
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 10:50 PM
Mar 2021

Shame on those on the left who tried to stop this real progress and those who continue to complain that it's not good enough.

You try doing this under these circumstances.

sheshe2

(83,661 posts)
31. He did it, mcar.
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 11:05 PM
Mar 2021

He did it with the help of other progressive leaders. Schumer and so many others. The senate pulled an all nighter and the weak gopers wee wee'd all the way home to rest their weary heads. Then BOOM! Merrick Garland made first base!!!!! Brilliant.

I can't stop laughing. Home run and a touchdown to boot. That was one hell of a marathon.

v

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
40. What?
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 01:07 AM
Mar 2021

Was it the left that kept Tanden from getting nominated?

Was it the left that kept threatening the passage of the stimulus package so that they can water it down?

Was it the left that promised to keep the legislative rules intact so that it's more difficult for Biden to implement his agenda?

Nope it was the right, and yet you are focused on the dirtbag lefty boogieman.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
52. Do you not know who scuttled her confirmation at the end?
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 07:00 PM
Mar 2021

Last edited Sun Mar 7, 2021, 08:21 PM - Edit history (1)

Your boy Manchin

George II

(67,782 posts)
53. There was no vote, and Manchin didn't interrogate Tanden during her Budget Committee hearing...
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 09:38 PM
Mar 2021

....another Senator did.

By the way, "my boy Manchin" is a Democrat, do you have a problem with Democrats?

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
54. That's a backbreaking reach
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 10:25 PM
Mar 2021

Your boy Manchin made it clear he wasn't voting for her. Just take the L, self induced by a fellow Democrat.

George II

(67,782 posts)
55. Reality isn't a reach, it's reality. What was the vote out of committee? What was the floor vote?
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 10:32 PM
Mar 2021

Only one Senator who caucuses with the Democrats publicly castigated Tanden (a Democrat) during a formal Senate proceeding. It wasn't "my boy" (why do you persist in stating that about a DEMOCRATIC Senator?) Manchin.

Celerity

(43,136 posts)
32. I think Biden has done a magnificent job, zero major issues at all with him. Same for Pelosi and
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 11:28 PM
Mar 2021

the House.

The Senate? well..........., there are 3 (at least, and 2 very specifically) who are going to cause us big trouble between now and 2022. Ironically the 2 most glaring are not even up for re-election for almost 4 years.

sheshe2

(83,661 posts)
33. Welp.
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 11:39 PM
Mar 2021

They voted for the bill. Period.

I too see problems ahead, not necessarily the ones you referred to. Time will tell.

Celerity

(43,136 posts)
38. The giant looming issue is the new John Lewis Voter's Rights Act (HR1)
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 12:12 AM
Mar 2021

To set up the likely soon massive issues for which it is DESPERATELY needs, all we need do is look at the 6-3 hard RW SCOTUS, which quite likely is going to the gut the current Voter Rights Act. Then, combine that with the insane hundreds of new voter suppression laws the Rethugs are pushing in at least 43 states.

Without a new Act, we may well be FUCKED in 2022 and so many elections after that.

The Rethugs WILL filibuster the new Act the instant it hits the Senate floor. It can not be included in the 2nd (and last) Reconciliation bill that will happen later on this summer or fall.

At that point, we have one hardcore option and then multiple softer ones.

The hardcore option is to bin the filibuster in toto. As it stands Manchin, Sinema and Feinstein (my 3 Senators I referred to above in my first reply) are hard, 'will not change their minds' NO's. There maybe more as well.

That leaves filibuster modification as our only out.

It will all come down to IF those 3 Senators agree to support one or more of these modifications (I have NO idea if Manchin, especially, will even cave a millimetre on any of these options) and if any of them actually works to get the Lewis VRA passed:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/03/02/manchin-filibuster-never-sinema/

Instead of naming and shaming them, Democrats might consider looking at what Manchin and Sinema like about the filibuster. Sinema recently said, “Retaining the legislative filibuster is not meant to impede the things we want to get done. Rather, it’s meant to protect what the Senate was designed to be. I believe the Senate has a responsibility to put politics aside and fully consider, debate, and reach compromise on legislative issues that will affect all Americans.” Last year, Manchin said, “The minority should have input — that’s the whole purpose for the Senate. If you basically do away with the filibuster altogether for legislation, you won’t have the Senate. You’re a glorified House. And I will not do that.” If you take their views at face value, the goal is to preserve some rights for the Senate minority, with the aim of fostering compromise. The key, then, is to find ways not to eliminate the filibuster on legislation but to reform it to fit that vision. Here are some options:

Make the minority do the work.

Currently, it takes 60 senators to reach cloture — to end debate and move to a vote on final passage of a bill. The burden is on the majority, a consequence of filibuster reform in 1975, which moved the standard from two-thirds of senators present and voting to three-fifths of the entire Senate. Before that change, if the Senate went around-the-clock, filibustering senators would have to be present in force. If, for example, only 75 senators showed up for a cloture vote, 50 of them could invoke cloture and move to a final vote. After the reform, only a few senators in the minority needed to be present to a request for unanimous consent and to keep the majority from closing debate by forcing a quorum call. The around-the-clock approach riveted the public, putting a genuine spotlight on the issues. Without it, the minority’s delaying tactics go largely unnoticed, with little or no penalty for obstruction, and no requirement actually to debate the issue. One way to restore the filibuster’s original intent would be requiring at least two-fifths of the full Senate, or 40 senators, to keep debating instead requiring 60 to end debate. The burden would fall to the minority, who’d have to be prepared for several votes, potentially over several days and nights, including weekends and all-night sessions, and if only once they couldn’t muster 40 — the equivalent of cloture — debate would end, making way for a vote on final passage of the bill in question.

Go back to the “present and voting” standard.

A shift to three-fifths of the Senate “present and voting” would similarly require the minority to keep most of its members around the Senate when in session. If, for example, the issue in question were voting rights, a Senate deliberating on the floor, 24 hours a day for several days, would put a sharp spotlight on the issue, forcing Republicans to publicly justify opposition to legislation aimed at protecting the voting rights of minorities. Weekend Senate sessions would cause Republicans up for reelection in 2022 to remain in Washington instead of freeing them to go home to campaign. In a three-fifths present and voting scenario, if only 80 senators showed up, only 48 votes would be needed to get to cloture. Add to that a requirement that at all times, a member of the minority party would have to be on the floor, actually debating, and the burden would be even greater, while delivering what Manchin and Sinema say they want — more debate.

Narrow the supermajority requirement.

Another option would be to follow in the direction of the 1975 reform, which reduced two-thirds (67 out of a full 100) to three-fifths (60 out of 100), and further reduce the threshold to 55 senators — still a supermajority requirement, but a slimmer one. Democrats might have some ability to get five Republicans to support their desired outcomes on issues such as voting rights, universal background checks for gun purchases or a path to citizenship for Dreamers. A reduction to 55, if coupled with a present-and-voting standard would establish even more balance between majority and minority. In a 50-50 Senate, and with the GOP strategy clearly being united opposition to almost all Democratic priorities, Biden and Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (N.Y.) need the support of Manchin and Sinema on a daily basis. They won’t be persuaded by pressure campaigns from progressive groups or from members of Congress. But they might consider reforms that weaken the power of filibusters and give Democrats more leverage to enact their policies, without pursuing the dead end of abolishing the rule altogether.

Gore1FL

(21,104 posts)
34. Biden is accomplishing progressive actions.
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 11:48 PM
Mar 2021

Is there progressive pushback? He isn;t getting it from me. I know there is criticism for a couple of Democratic-lite Senators, but I haven't heard too much criticism concerning Biden.

Prof.Higgins

(194 posts)
35. Spot on! United we stand against the shameful malevolence of Republican
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 11:51 PM
Mar 2021

Congress members. Biden, Pilosi and Schumer are Homeric in passing this remarkable Rescue package, and Pres. Biden's just getting started with more of his Cabinet members beginning to make significant improvements.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,560 posts)
37. Even IF he wasn't as progressive as all that, he is STILL THE PRESIDENT YOU'VE GOT!
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 11:58 PM
Mar 2021

At the very least, keep in mind that half a loaf is better than going hungry. And, you're getting much, much more than half a loaf, whether you choose to recognize that or not.

Cha

(296,876 posts)
42. Oh I think President Biden is Progressive..
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 01:18 AM
Mar 2021

And I'm always seeing posts & tweets amazed at how Progressive he is.

But yes you're right.. he doesn't get hung up on what can't get done.. Pres Biden Moves it Forward to be in an excellent position to fight again!

Senator Brown gets it, too..




PatSeg

(47,284 posts)
45. Totally agree
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 12:05 PM
Mar 2021

Early on I told people that Joe would be far more progressive than they realized, plus HE knows how to actually get things done.

PatSeg

(47,284 posts)
57. This was one time
Mon Mar 8, 2021, 09:08 AM
Mar 2021

when I was truly right about politics. I even was right about my first choice for VP. Doesn't happen too often, but it was worth the wait.

Bettie

(16,076 posts)
51. My issues have been with a few grandstanding senators
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 05:29 PM
Mar 2021

not Biden.

I am pleasantly surprised by his actions since taking office.

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