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[pnwmom]

1. Good idea. I remember that if I wanted something in red or blue for my daughter

I had to get it from the boys' department. And when she needed sneakers for her wide feet, I had to take them off the boy's shelf and hope she didn't notice.

[Irish_Dem]

2. Same with my daughter, boy's shoes for her wide feet. She didn't mind, but didn't want something

ugly. So we looked around for something she liked in the boy's department.

[Dream Girl]

3. No!!! This is really dumb.They are just handing them a nice juicy cultural issue. Plus really?

Mixing up boys and girls clothes? WTF? This is way to woke foe 90% of people. Not to mention I his would inconvenience peple in the name of wokeness.outlaw gender reveal parties? Blue and Blue?

[pnwmom]

4. Most little girls clothes are pink and/or frilly.

I like primary colors, too, but if I wanted them for my daughter I had to buy them in the boys' department.

[Celerity]

5. You must be going to some vastly different stores than I go to

Have you been in children's departments recently? Most girls clothes are pink and frilly.

[pnwmom]

6. I changed that right after I wrote it. I still think it's silly to get worked up

over having separate departments for their clothes.

[Dream Girl]

26. Just watch

[pnwmom]

27. Watch what? I have a daughter and a son. I don't think having a combined department

would be a problem, other than dressing rooms.

[Dream Girl]

28. I'm talking about wat the GOP will do with. They will liken this to "forcing boys and girls to wear

Unisex clothes” or make boys “cross dress”. I’m the niing strictly about how this will be used to smear dems as a cultural issue. Like that Dr. Seus bulls hi. Just watch.

[Bettie]

11. At Target I see some pink/purple/frilly stuff

but most of the girls' clothing is basic pants, shirts, etc.

There is more variety in colors among the girls' clothes, but there are always the basics. Pants tend to be black, blue, tan, and gray, with a few extra colors for girls.

There are a LOT more options for girls in terms of "dressy" clothing. Boys...well, it's the same stuff but the pants are sweat pants.

Except for my kid, if it isn't soft, he won't wear it.

[left-of-center2012]

14. "Boys...well, it's the same stuff but the pants are sweat pants."

I notice a lot of jeans in boys wear.

[TheBlackAdder]

20. Pink & Blue, Girls & Boys

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[mammasbaby]

40. This is where it starts.

Toss the pink/blue gender identity in the trash. It sets the parents' reinforcement parameters.

Girls can like blue, action figures, super active sports, and become astronauts (or whatever they want).

Boys can like pink, barbies, gentler sports, and become fashion icons (or whatever they want).

Celebrate diversity, rather than put roadblocks in a child's future.

Disclaimer... I have no children, have never wanted children. So this is just my opinion. Heavy on the salt.

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[TheBlackAdder]

50. I have four. While we're open and neutral, television, school, friends and their parents influence.

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There are so many factors that force gender stereotypes, including the Girl Scouts of America. I met with a state chapter head and there is no guidance from a national level. Almost all GSA troops are locally controlled by the Troop leader and the girls in the troop, so most of them push more traditionally girly agendas, especially in RW country.

In my CAWP Women in Politics Rutgers-Eagleton class. Even though we might shape our kids when they leave for college, the biggest gender alignment comes in college, where most kids revert to their stereotypical gender roles. That blew my mind--here thinking by the time kids are in college, they are set in their ways, and that most colleges are a little more liberal, since they teach divergent thought.

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[Klaralven]

55. Has any anthropologist ever stumbled upon some culture that didn't have gender stereotypes?

[TheBlackAdder]

58. Yes, a few earlier Native American tribes. There are a few others, but can't recall them.

[Klaralven]

60. Really? Men and women equally active in the care and feeding of infants?

Reference?

[TheBlackAdder]

61. You can research Native Americn Gender Roles. My books & manuals are all boxed away in storage.

[Demsrule86]

36. I agree.

[Victor_c3]

57. It sounds like the article is only saying signs for toys and child care items

I didn’t see anything about clothes

I agree with you on the clothes, but toys and whatnot, who cares?

[Celerity]

7. This is electoral madness. Might as well call it The Democratic Majority Sabotage Bill, and I am

not talking about my Deep Blue California.

[JohnSJ]

21. +++

[JI7]

9. I think you need to let businesses do some of these things on their own

When I first read the headline I first thought of the toy section. Keeping it mostly the same but removing any signs which might say some toys are for girls or some for boys since there are boys that like dolls and girls that like race cars.

The bigger problem is parents though .I have heard at times people telling the boy that is interested in a toy that it's for girls.

ANd I remember a guy who was trying to pressure his daughter into the doll section when she was looking at the superhero toys in the boys section .

[MagickMuffin]

17. My youngest brother wanted a GI Joe and was ridiculed by all the males in my family

from father to brothers they all mocked him for wanting a doll. I think that had an impact on me and I never discussed it with my brother.

[Polybius]

42. This must have been the 60's

GI was meant and marketed for boys, but it was the first of its kind. It looked like a doll, and many conservative parents objected. It really sucks, because many boys wanted it and couldn't have it.

Fast forward to my childhood in the 80's. GI had a second wind, and made the toys smaller. No parents objected this time around. I owe your generation a lot. We didn't have to go through some of the craziness because of you guys.

[PatSeg]

45. I agree

Companies tend to be responsive to the wants and needs of their customers. I don't think this is an issue that requires a law forcing retailers to do it. During these very challenging times, I would hope that any state legislature has much more important issues to work on. You really can't and shouldn't legislate everything. Companies often conform to changing times. If they don't, they will suffer financially.

I also agree with what others have said. It gives republicans another cultural issue to use as a distraction. When it comes to children, Democrats should be focusing on hunger, poverty, education, and healthcare.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

10. I had two boys, and I always noticed that the girls' clothing section

was always twice the size of the boys'.

I somehow don't recall ever seeing signage that indicated boys toys vs girls toys, but I'm capable of totally ignoring something like that. I simply bought them the toys I thought they'd like.

[Bettie]

12. Toy aisles aren't generally labeled by gender,

though they do have labels with regard to age ranges and what is there.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

13. My observation also.

Which makes me ask, What exactly is the fuss all about, at least in regards to toys?

[Bettie]

31. Who knows?

Then again, my boys are the ones in pink or purple dress shirts at events because they look good in those colors!

[Deminpenn]

24. Toys are just generally grouped by type and age

Trucks/cars together, Barbie/fashion dolls together, baby dolls, board games, superheroes/action figures, etc.

Last year, took a couple Angel tree tags and went xmas shopping for two six year olds. The girls stuff was definitely more pink, frilly and sparkly, but there were jeans, denim jackets, too. The little boys section was more subdued, mostly jeans, sweatpants, hoodies, t-shirts.

[kysrsoze]

15. I think this is dumb. Even at early ages, boys' and girls' clothes need to be cut differently.

I honestly don't care whether a boy wants to wear "girl" clothes or vice versa. Whatever someone wants to wear is fine with me. One of our daughters is a tomboy and loves sports, videogames, etc. She likes some of the girly things, but wants to wear video game t-shirts, but there aren't many girls' clothes with that theme. So she sometimes gets boys' t-shirts, but they don't fit right. It looks like she's wearing a boy's shirt.

It sounds like they're trying to do something more like Benetton in the 80's, but that was a dismal failure. I have more of a problem with thems being "boy-only" or "girl only." I think they should expand the choices and available to everyone and have sizes that actually them. But it seems ridiculous to just have all one type of clothing. Our kids are going to all wind up wearing stuff that doesn't fit.

[Bettie]

33. What I'd like to see is a better range of clothing for different types of bodies

I have three boys. My two older ones were larger as kids, we had trouble finding pants that fit correctly, because they were all too long if they fit at the waist.

My youngest has the opposite problem, keeps getting taller, could still wear 6 year old sizes at 12 except for length. All of his pants fall down unless I make alterations or get them with drawstrings. Right now he's wearing too-short sweat pants most every day since we never go anywhere anymore and no one but me and his dad see him.

[jml510]

16. This is starting to get crazy.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

46. What is?

[Bayard]

18. This is all these people have to worry about?

[uponit7771]

19. right ?! Must be nice ...

[JohnSJ]

22. They obviously have too much time on their hands. With all the problems we have going on

in California, some want to move California toward a nanny state it seems

[PatSeg]

47. Yes, especially in California

The past year with unprecedented wildfires and the pandemic, who on earth thought this was an issue that needed to be legislated? Not every problem requires a law. The pressure of customers should be enough to influence companies to change.

[JohnSJ]

54. +++

[Raine]

23. RIDICULOUS! 👎 nt

[boston bean]

25. Stupid. What's next? No women's and men's department. What about shoes?

[dalton99a]

43. No problemo. Put men's workpants in the same aisle as bras. People have plenty of time to shop

and look for stuff

[Klaralven]

52. If women wore men's shoes, they'd have fewer foot problems

[Klaralven]

29. Just remember that with boy's clothing, the buttons are on the right side.

Although, maybe we could pass a law that every other button be on alternate sides?

[left-of-center2012]

34. In the 1960s I bought a nice corduroy outdoor winter coat at a thrift store

I wore it half the winter before someone pointed out to me that the buttons were on the 'wrong side'.

I used the coat for several years before giving it to my dad who had told me many times how much he liked it.

neither of us really cared which side the buttons were on. It was a good coat and kept us warm.

[PatSeg]

48. I always found that whole button thing peculiar

I wonder whose idea that was.

[Klaralven]

53. Here's why men's and women's shirts button up on different sides

• Men's shirts have buttons on the right, women's on the left. No one's sure why.
• For men: probably because it was easier to reach a weapon inside.
• For women: probably because they had servants button their shirts.

https://www.insider.com/why-mens-and-womens-shirts-button-on-different-sides-2016-11

[FreeState]

62. It's not about clothes at all - read the article

Clothing is never mentioned - it’s about labeling the toy section by gender n/t

[WhiskeyGrinder]

30. I'm fine having undivided areas. It's silly to make it a law, though.

[NurseJackie]

32. ...

[radius777]

35. Not good politics. Even most Dems (especially PoC) are more moderate

on some of these social issues like gender, religion, etc.

Boys and girls are different, especially when it comes to clothing, and stores should just expand the selection to accommodate non-girly girls and non-macho boys.

[BradAllison]

37. I guess all the problems in California are fixed

What a waste of time.

[Hugin]

38. The village I grew up in was so tiny we all wore the same brand of flower sacks.

So, to me it's no biggy.

From a business standpoint it seems to make better sense to categorize by clothing type rather than gender, anyway.

Enshrining it in law seems a little excessive.

[Polybius]

39. I live in a normal liberal state, NY

CA too is a liberal state, but many things that come out of it are batshit crazy.

[dalton99a]

41. Idiotic.

Another hammer for Republicans to use against Democrats

[Alex4Martinez]

44. Fuck the Sac Bee and their flamebait headline. This doesn't ban sections.

It bans signage.

They can still group pink things together and blue things together.

I'm bothered by the toy sections in particular, but then the whole world of toys has changed from being fun and exploratory to becoming dedicated to cross marketing product lines, Barbie, Strawberry Shortcake, Transformers, etc.

I want my balsa wood airplane section back, and crafts and arts sections, not pink plastic crap.

[Klaralven]

49. What good is a balsa wood model if you can't buy glue to put it together?

[Wounded Bear]

51. I don't think this is an issue the gov't should get too deep into...

[Sympthsical]

56. Hard facepalm

But, you know, a loud .1% of Twitter wants it, so I guess this is what we have to do now.

Someone upthread said something along the lines of, "Good, this will stop enforcing parents' stereotypes."

Oh yeah. That's what parents want. You trying to socially engineer their children.

I love California. I love living here (could be cheaper!). In fact, going into SF and spending the afternoon at Ocean Beach. So beautiful.

But let's not lie. This state is oftentimes stone cold stupid about things.

[beaglelover]

59. This is so stupid. How about doing something about the shitty homeless situation instead????

Fucking morons.

[ecstatic]

63. Really dumb idea. Nt