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drray23

(8,656 posts)
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 12:37 AM Mar 2021

I am suddenly horrified

thinking about what would have happened if we had not retaken the senate. This massive recovery bill which is going to lift many people out of poverty, end COVID , extend UI benefits, provide financial stimulus, help cities and states, shore up the ACA and much more would never have seen the light of day. Republicans like Ron Johnson would still be pushing bogus investigations and peddling disinformation via their commîtees, none of Joe Biden's nominees would have been appointed, etc.. etc..

We really dodged a bullet on that and should thank Georgians and especially african american Georgians for saving us.

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I am suddenly horrified (Original Post) drray23 Mar 2021 OP
Yes, it could have been unimaginably bad. Yes, it ended up rationally good. nt greyl Mar 2021 #1
White People...You're Welcome...Again AllTooEasy Mar 2021 #42
We don't all look the same. flying rabbit Mar 2021 #46
It is pretty scary when you consider what could have happened! CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2021 #2
Right on, thank goodness. greyl Mar 2021 #3
Kind of puts all the "OMG, throw Manchin into a volcano!" rhetoric into perspective... RockRaven Mar 2021 #4
Having Manchin as our big problem is a nice problem to have considering the alternative. brewens Mar 2021 #7
So true electric_blue68 Mar 2021 #8
And the way to deal with the Manchin problem is win more democratic JI7 Mar 2021 #11
22' looks like we just might possibly pick up 1-2 senate seats Thekaspervote Mar 2021 #13
Passing this stimulus is a good start in that direction quakerboy Mar 2021 #16
All it would take would be for Mnchin to switch parties and we'd have McConnell soldierant Mar 2021 #27
This message needs to be as loud as a sonic boom during the midterms. nt Quixote1818 Mar 2021 #5
Indeed. I was pleased to see that the white house understands it exactly drray23 Mar 2021 #31
K & R SunSeeker Mar 2021 #6
+1 betsuni Mar 2021 #9
No rest for the weary Larissa Mar 2021 #10
We are very lucky there were not mass casualties of our representative on January 6. I am convinced JohnSJ Mar 2021 #12
Declaring martial law would not have given him the power to declare himself president..just sayin' Thekaspervote Mar 2021 #14
It would have been the first step. When Michael Flynn was floating that idea, and meeting with JohnSJ Mar 2021 #17
Yes I am certain this was the plan. It connects all the other dots (facts). Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #19
Yes, no doubt it was some nefarious plot JohnSJ Mar 2021 #22
Just when I think they can't get any worse, they always do something more heinous. Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #23
Since when did he ever need legitimate power to do anything before doing it? soldierant Mar 2021 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Voetistasneua Mar 2021 #15
That's why HR1 is so important, kGQP regains congress we're fucked uponit7771 Mar 2021 #18
Indeed, the "what might have beens" are pretty dark, TBS... Wounded Bear Mar 2021 #20
Georgia was a gift considering we should have won Maine and NC. Sneederbunk Mar 2021 #21
Without paper ballots to count, I'm convinced Collins, Graham, and McConnell actually lost. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2021 #30
as a Georgian wally baby Mar 2021 #38
Welcome to DU! dragonlady Mar 2021 #40
Yes. It's been said before but cannot be repeated enough peggysue2 Mar 2021 #24
That was the first Senate race for which we contributed money out of our state. JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2021 #25
I don't think it could have been done without your help... Phentex Mar 2021 #26
The horror that could have been... The horror... Blue Owl Mar 2021 #29
That is why bdamomma Mar 2021 #32
Definitely. HR1 is the next big thing to pass. drray23 Mar 2021 #33
Manchin bdamomma Mar 2021 #34
I dont think he will move over to the gop drray23 Mar 2021 #35
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2021 #50
Amen. Evolve Dammit Mar 2021 #36
I have become an ardent fan of Stacey Abrams SOteric Mar 2021 #37
Correct. The bill would never even have been considered. yardwork Mar 2021 #39
Protect voting rights! *Right now* GOP controlled states are making sure it doesn't happen again. Pobeka Mar 2021 #41
We outperformed in 2 elections bucolic_frolic Mar 2021 #43
America is breaking superpatriotman Mar 2021 #44
What horrors could have been? Aussie105 Mar 2021 #45
I believe "horror" is always just around the corner when it comes to opponents like these. BobTheSubgenius Mar 2021 #47
Every night I give thanks to all. mountain grammy Mar 2021 #48
Amen to that! Thank you to the AA Georgians and Stacey Abrams! FlyingPiggy Mar 2021 #49

AllTooEasy

(1,261 posts)
42. White People...You're Welcome...Again
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 09:29 PM
Mar 2021

...not that we expect y’all to ever show us some fucking gratitude anytime this galactic year, while Republicans wipe away our voting rights.

CaliforniaPeggy

(156,338 posts)
2. It is pretty scary when you consider what could have happened!
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 12:42 AM
Mar 2021

A great many people saw what we saw, and said Hell no! Thank goodness.

RockRaven

(18,971 posts)
4. Kind of puts all the "OMG, throw Manchin into a volcano!" rhetoric into perspective...
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 12:58 AM
Mar 2021

The alternative to Manchin seems to be a Repuke. A Repuke who wins a GrOPer primary in West Fucking Virginia. That's no Murkowski or Romney.... even as worthless as they are.

Yeah, I'm not happy about a lot of what Manchin does, but I'm very very happy that Schumer is Senate Majority Leader instead of Moscow Cocaine Mitch McTurtle. It's a tradeoff I'm completely at peace with.

 

brewens

(15,359 posts)
7. Having Manchin as our big problem is a nice problem to have considering the alternative.
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 01:23 AM
Mar 2021

If we hadn't taken those seats in Georgia, no one would be talking about Manchin.

JI7

(93,381 posts)
11. And the way to deal with the Manchin problem is win more democratic
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 02:38 AM
Mar 2021

Senate seats . If his vote didn't make a difference in outcome he probably wouldn't make much noise about it and just go along .

Thekaspervote

(35,816 posts)
13. 22' looks like we just might possibly pick up 1-2 senate seats
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 02:52 AM
Mar 2021

Thing is we’ve GOT to hold on to the house

KEEP THE HOUSE ’22!! Pass it on

quakerboy

(14,790 posts)
16. Passing this stimulus is a good start in that direction
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 03:05 AM
Mar 2021

The problem is that we need to keep bringing home the metaphorical bacon for the voters.. and making it 100% blatently obviously out front clear exactly who is blocking things when its not possible.

soldierant

(9,304 posts)
27. All it would take would be for Mnchin to switch parties and we'd have McConnell
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 06:04 PM
Mar 2021

again.

I'm old enough to remember when Ben Nighthorse Campbell did it.

So when people ask why we are being held hostage by Manchin ... remember that.

And of course the same goes for Sinema.

drray23

(8,656 posts)
31. Indeed. I was pleased to see that the white house understands it exactly
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 06:43 PM
Mar 2021

This afternoon I heard on one of the msnbc shows that one of the things that President Biden realized they did not do well enough after the passage of the ACA was to toot their horns and take credit to make the american people realize the magnitude of it.
It is reported that they are not going to be making that mistake twice. Pres Biden is scheduled for the next two days to go around talk about it, visiting various places.

Larissa

(793 posts)
10. No rest for the weary
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 02:34 AM
Mar 2021

The state Republicans across America are busy crafting legislation aimed at monkey-wrenching the ability of Americans to vote. Republican "leadership" in Washington has cost Americans dearly. We cannot go back to that.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
12. We are very lucky there were not mass casualties of our representative on January 6. I am convinced
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 02:41 AM
Mar 2021

that trump was hoping to declare martial law, and declare himself president for life

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
17. It would have been the first step. When Michael Flynn was floating that idea, and meeting with
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 03:07 AM
Mar 2021

trump days before, in my view, trump considered it a very real possibility, and if it succeeded it would have eliminated the Democratic leadership, and the first step to a junta.

Is this this a wild conspiracy theory? Perhaps, but reports of contacts between between a proud boy member and a trump associate should be a real concern, if not a smoking gun

https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-finds-contact-between-proud-150858120.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/michael-flynn-trump-military-martial-law-overturn-election-2020-12

soldierant

(9,304 posts)
28. Since when did he ever need legitimate power to do anything before doing it?
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 06:07 PM
Mar 2021

If he had declared himself President for life and there was not enough opposition in Congress to defeat it, it would have happened.

Response to drray23 (Original post)

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,637 posts)
25. That was the first Senate race for which we contributed money out of our state.
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 04:05 PM
Mar 2021

I like to think we were part of a tsunami of out-of-state grassroots money flowing to Georgia.

My little bit couldn't matter much by itself, but it felt very good when the results came in.

Maybe if I bet some money on the Lions ....

drray23

(8,656 posts)
33. Definitely. HR1 is the next big thing to pass.
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 06:48 PM
Mar 2021

There is hope there that Manchin might come around regarding the fillibuster. He said today he would be open to change the rules to make it harder to use. Its a move from his earlier stance of never means never.
Hopefully, we can use the nuclear option to even dispense with the fillibuster for civil right and voting rights legislation. That option is currently being considered by the leadership.

drray23

(8,656 posts)
35. I dont think he will move over to the gop
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 06:54 PM
Mar 2021

He has been a dem all his life. He enjoys his position, playing both sides of the aisle. Besides, I trust Biden and Schumer to know what to do and how far. I think, above all he loves to look like he is negotiating and holds power over the final product. If we can keep him in this "negotiating" mood, then we are good.

SOteric

(22,564 posts)
37. I have become an ardent fan of Stacey Abrams
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 07:37 PM
Mar 2021

She and those doing similar work on behalf of the entirety of left-thinking people of every ilk are the single most important weapon in our arsenal. Saving democracy by employing democracy. Who'd have thunk?

yardwork

(69,115 posts)
39. Correct. The bill would never even have been considered.
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 08:01 PM
Mar 2021

The party with the majority controls all the committees. Many people don't understand this. All the committees are chaired by the majority party, and that party also holds the majority in each committee.

Under the Republicans, bills for the good of the people never even got a hearing, much less a vote.

It's about so much more than the votes. It's essential that Democrats retain control of both the House and Senate.

Pobeka

(5,000 posts)
41. Protect voting rights! *Right now* GOP controlled states are making sure it doesn't happen again.
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 08:58 PM
Mar 2021

HR1!!!

Nothing else matters.

All political energy needs to focus on that or we may have won a battle, but lost the war. (Thank God we won in 2021).

bucolic_frolic

(54,545 posts)
43. We outperformed in 2 elections
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 09:40 PM
Mar 2021

2018, and Georgia 2020. That's how close we came, and we're still not out of the woods by any measure.

superpatriotman

(6,824 posts)
44. America is breaking
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 09:42 PM
Mar 2021

And it’s up to Democrats to build a big enough voter base to keep it together.

The Christo-fascists have abdicated their ability to effectively govern.

Aussie105

(7,732 posts)
45. What horrors could have been?
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 10:22 PM
Mar 2021

Just look at Brazil and Jair Messias Bolsonaro's lack of caring.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/brazil-battling-worlds-worst-coronavirus-outbreak-as-mutant-strain-spreads/news-story/8aa1bd5699aa635ce6a71c3db115e834

Then scale that up a bit to US population.

Instead of Bolsonaro talking to the people saying 'I don't really care, but stop complaining, peasants!' we would have Trump doing that inhuman act.

BobTheSubgenius

(12,182 posts)
47. I believe "horror" is always just around the corner when it comes to opponents like these.
Mon Mar 8, 2021, 12:00 AM
Mar 2021

At the moment, I'd say the left has some big, strong guys trying to hold the door closed against the ravening horde. When you come to a place where you think you can finally breathe easy, and they are on the run, it's only a temporary respite.

To paraphrase Twain "Any reports of their demise will have been greatly exaggerated."

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