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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsManchin signals willingness to reform filibuster.
"Manchin told Todd that he opposes eliminating the filibuster outright because he believes doing so would suppress the minority partys input. However, invoking the procedure should be more 'painful,' he said.
'Now, if you want to make it a little bit more painful, make him stand there and talk, Im willing to look at any way we can,' Manchin said. 'But Im not willing to take away the involvement of the minority.' "
[link:https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-manchin-filibuster-reform_n_6044ef01c5b660a0f3894e2f|

Theres a way to keep it but make it more traditional and not a hard stop.
True Blue American
(17,772 posts)mvd
(65,025 posts)The voting rights bill is a must pass IMO.
brush
(51,300 posts)in the minority, now it's supposed to change that we're in the majority?
When the republicans get the majority back they won't give a wit about the minority, just as they've always shown.
In our two-party system you have to get it while the getting is good.
And he's acting like he cares so much about the minority when he votes with majority republicans half the time.
Fuck him.
andym
(5,373 posts)over other considerations including his party. He has actually stated this in numerous interviews. His willingness to reform the filibuster suggests he is flexible. Why not bring back the Senate rules at the time of "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington", when a filibuster actually required holding the floor for hours on end as jimmy Stewart's character did.
Irish_Dem
(42,052 posts)If he is perceived as liberal he won't get elected again?
andym
(5,373 posts)he has been ambivalent about that-- not that he has to worry too much until 2024 anyways which is long way off.
Irish_Dem
(42,052 posts)andym
(5,373 posts)He actually believes he is doing the "right thing" which is what he perceives is best for his constituents. Just because we do not agree does not mean he thinks he is acting as principled as he can.
Irish_Dem
(42,052 posts)Oldem
(833 posts)ethics has taught us that, as abhorrent as the idea is to me. Do we condemn Manchin for doing the wrong thing when he believes it's right? I recuse myself: as much as I'd like it to be easy, it's not. I'm fallible, myself
CentralMass
(15,242 posts)SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)Or the majority party can vote at 3am for cloture
As long as there is a quorum present and it gets 2/3 of the vote the filibuster can be broken.
Make those who want to filibuster have skin in the game.
Sure you can filibuster this bill but we can and will end it as soon as enough of you republicans leave the chamber.
Stay and fight for your beliefs. Otherwise your filibuster is only skin deep.
yellowdogintexas
(21,515 posts)13 hours on her feet; not allowed to use the furniture for support, no bathroom breaks, no food, and I think I am right on this: no water. She wore a catheter for crying out loud! (and the famous pink running shoes)
If someone is going to filibuster they should have to put up with the same rules.
She did not resort to stunts like "Green Eggs and Ham" or reading from the telephone directory, either. She presented hard cold facts and the personal stories of many many women who gladly gave her permission to use them
That is how it should be done.
turbinetree
(24,468 posts)CLTV 3/06/21 6:30am Play time: 05:20
How To Gut The Filibuster
By Susie Madrak
https://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2021/03/how-gut-filibuster
Oldem
(833 posts)turbinetree
(24,468 posts)I had to sleep on a cot............it was not fun.............
Volaris
(10,218 posts)Will FORCE them to involve themselves in ways that might actually be useful and productive.
Letting them sit there with their thumbs up OUR asses is absolutely the opposite of what he says he wants.
Beastly Boy
(8,119 posts)I believe it was Sinema who, back in January, said that she is against ENDING the filibuster, and there is no possibility for her to change her mind. She got a lot of grief for her comment here on DU.
But neither she nor Manchin ever made comments about CHANGING the filibuster rules! Back then I suspected this is exactly what will be happening. What's next? Changing the fillibuster-proof majority to 55 senators? 51 senators? Making the filibustering senator stand on one leg and clap his hands for the duration of his speech? None of it will end the filibuster! Stay tuned...
jorgevlorgan
(7,807 posts)...if he ultimately goes along with this, I will take back all of it. This gives me hope.
Iggo
(47,311 posts)Flip the script.
Me.
(35,454 posts)when in reality the minority rules and the majority is who doesn't get a say.
catbyte
(33,563 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,020 posts)Sure, passing something reasonable with 60 votes seems impossible in today's environment -- but so does passing something reasonable with 50 votes, thanks to Manchin and Sinema.