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Oldem

(833 posts)
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 03:44 PM Mar 2021

Manchin signals willingness to reform filibuster.

"Manchin told Todd that he opposes eliminating the filibuster outright because he believes doing so would suppress the minority party’s input. However, invoking the procedure should be more 'painful,' he said.

'Now, if you want to make it a little bit more painful, make him stand there and talk, I’m willing to look at any way we can,' Manchin said. 'But I’m not willing to take away the involvement of the minority.' "

[link:https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-manchin-filibuster-reform_n_6044ef01c5b660a0f3894e2f|

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Manchin signals willingness to reform filibuster. (Original Post) Oldem Mar 2021 OP
Yes! Johnny2X2X Mar 2021 #1
Make them filibuster in person. True Blue American Mar 2021 #2
Another good thing - it says he may allow a simple majority vote on voting rights mvd Mar 2021 #3
We've been hearing "elections have consequences" whenever we're... brush Mar 2021 #4
Manchin has always been about doing what he perceives is best for his state andym Mar 2021 #5
I thought he was doing what was best for his re-election? Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #16
He might not run again andym Mar 2021 #17
If that was true, he could just do the right thing. Nothing to lose. Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #18
Which is why I brought up the reference to what he has stated andym Mar 2021 #20
Right is right and wrong is wrong. That is all I have to say. Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #21
How I wish it were that easy. One person's "right" is another person's "wrong." Situational Oldem Mar 2021 #23
WVA ranks 46th in poverty by state. What's he doing to to improve that ? CentralMass Mar 2021 #22
Make the minority party be present 24/7 SoonerPride Mar 2021 #6
My first thought when I read this: Wendy Davis 2013 yellowdogintexas Mar 2021 #7
Hey Manchin did you by chance see this .........about going back and voting "present" turbinetree Mar 2021 #8
Thanks, turbinetree. This is a good interview. Make 'em sleep on cots. Oldem Mar 2021 #11
Your welcome....................make them sleep on cots turbinetree Mar 2021 #14
He hasnt figured out yet that stripping them of their ability to do nothing and get away with it, Volaris Mar 2021 #9
There we go! Beastly Boy Mar 2021 #10
I take back most of the bad things I have said about manchin jorgevlorgan Mar 2021 #12
Make the 41 do the work, not the 59. Iggo Mar 2021 #13
So Worried About THe Minority Me. Mar 2021 #15
I could live with that depending on how good the reform is. catbyte Mar 2021 #19
Who needs a filibuster as long as you've got Manchin...? regnaD kciN Mar 2021 #24

mvd

(65,173 posts)
3. Another good thing - it says he may allow a simple majority vote on voting rights
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 03:51 PM
Mar 2021

The voting rights bill is a must pass IMO.

brush

(53,776 posts)
4. We've been hearing "elections have consequences" whenever we're...
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 03:53 PM
Mar 2021

in the minority, now it's supposed to change that we're in the majority?

When the republicans get the majority back they won't give a wit about the minority, just as they've always shown.

In our two-party system you have to get it while the getting is good.

And he's acting like he cares so much about the minority when he votes with majority republicans half the time.

Fuck him.

andym

(5,443 posts)
5. Manchin has always been about doing what he perceives is best for his state
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 03:55 PM
Mar 2021

over other considerations including his party. He has actually stated this in numerous interviews. His willingness to reform the filibuster suggests he is flexible. Why not bring back the Senate rules at the time of "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington", when a filibuster actually required holding the floor for hours on end as jimmy Stewart's character did.

Irish_Dem

(47,023 posts)
16. I thought he was doing what was best for his re-election?
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 04:45 PM
Mar 2021

If he is perceived as liberal he won't get elected again?

andym

(5,443 posts)
17. He might not run again
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 04:50 PM
Mar 2021

he has been ambivalent about that-- not that he has to worry too much until 2024 anyways which is long way off.

andym

(5,443 posts)
20. Which is why I brought up the reference to what he has stated
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 04:54 PM
Mar 2021

He actually believes he is doing the "right thing" which is what he perceives is best for his constituents. Just because we do not agree does not mean he thinks he is acting as principled as he can.

Oldem

(833 posts)
23. How I wish it were that easy. One person's "right" is another person's "wrong." Situational
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 06:08 PM
Mar 2021

ethics has taught us that, as abhorrent as the idea is to me. Do we condemn Manchin for doing the wrong thing when he believes it's right? I recuse myself: as much as I'd like it to be easy, it's not. I'm fallible, myself

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
6. Make the minority party be present 24/7
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 03:56 PM
Mar 2021

Or the majority party can vote at 3am for cloture

As long as there is a quorum present and it gets 2/3 of the vote the filibuster can be broken.

Make those who want to filibuster have skin in the game.

Sure you can filibuster this bill but we can and will end it as soon as enough of you republicans leave the chamber.

Stay and fight for your beliefs. Otherwise your filibuster is only skin deep.

yellowdogintexas

(22,252 posts)
7. My first thought when I read this: Wendy Davis 2013
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 04:00 PM
Mar 2021

13 hours on her feet; not allowed to use the furniture for support, no bathroom breaks, no food, and I think I am right on this: no water. She wore a catheter for crying out loud! (and the famous pink running shoes)

If someone is going to filibuster they should have to put up with the same rules.

She did not resort to stunts like "Green Eggs and Ham" or reading from the telephone directory, either. She presented hard cold facts and the personal stories of many many women who gladly gave her permission to use them

That is how it should be done.

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
8. Hey Manchin did you by chance see this .........about going back and voting "present"
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 04:06 PM
Mar 2021

CLTV 3/06/21 6:30am Play time: 05:20
How To Gut The Filibuster
By Susie Madrak

https://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2021/03/how-gut-filibuster

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
14. Your welcome....................make them sleep on cots
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 04:35 PM
Mar 2021

I had to sleep on a cot............it was not fun.............

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
9. He hasnt figured out yet that stripping them of their ability to do nothing and get away with it,
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 04:14 PM
Mar 2021

Will FORCE them to involve themselves in ways that might actually be useful and productive.

Letting them sit there with their thumbs up OUR asses is absolutely the opposite of what he says he wants.

Beastly Boy

(9,323 posts)
10. There we go!
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 04:15 PM
Mar 2021

I believe it was Sinema who, back in January, said that she is against ENDING the filibuster, and there is no possibility for her to change her mind. She got a lot of grief for her comment here on DU.

But neither she nor Manchin ever made comments about CHANGING the filibuster rules! Back then I suspected this is exactly what will be happening. What's next? Changing the fillibuster-proof majority to 55 senators? 51 senators? Making the filibustering senator stand on one leg and clap his hands for the duration of his speech? None of it will end the filibuster! Stay tuned...

jorgevlorgan

(8,291 posts)
12. I take back most of the bad things I have said about manchin
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 04:17 PM
Mar 2021

...if he ultimately goes along with this, I will take back all of it. This gives me hope.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
15. So Worried About THe Minority
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 04:42 PM
Mar 2021

when in reality the minority rules and the majority is who doesn't get a say.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
24. Who needs a filibuster as long as you've got Manchin...?
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 06:08 PM
Mar 2021

Sure, passing something reasonable with 60 votes seems impossible in today's environment -- but so does passing something reasonable with 50 votes, thanks to Manchin and Sinema.

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