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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,765 posts)
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 09:28 PM Mar 2021

Tommy Tuberville introduced anti-trans amendment to COVID relief bill, got voted down

As the United States Senate attempts to pass a $1.9 trillion COVID-19 relief bill, former Auburn football coach and current Alabama Senator Tommy Tuberville had one thing on his mind: anti-trans legislation.

Tuberville attempted to add an anti-trans amendment to the COVID-19 relief bill Saturday, but was voted down 49-50. If passed, the amendment would have prohibited funding to educational institutions that allowed trans women to compete in women's athletics.

Washington Senator Patty Murray, a Democrat, took Tuberville to task over the amendment, asking him to "have a little bit of heart and compassion in this world for someone who doesn't look or live exactly like you."




Illinois Senator Dick Durbin called the amendment an attack on transgender kids and questioned why Tuberville would introduce an anti-trans amendment as part of a COVID relief bill that has been up for debate for over 20 hours.

https://sports.yahoo.com/tommy-tuberville-introduces-anti-trans-amendment-to-covid-relief-bill-gets-voted-down-160042675.html
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Tommy Tuberville introduced anti-trans amendment to COVID relief bill, got voted down (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2021 OP
Manchin voted for it. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #1
And Lisa Murkowski voted no. leftieNanner Mar 2021 #3
but he was the only Democrat who did so dsc Mar 2021 #4
Especially since his state has the largest percentage of teens self-reporting as trans. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #5
I am not defending his vote dsc Mar 2021 #6
And I'm not nagging you. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #7
I teach so I would say we might want to hold up on the hosannas of the new tolerant dsc Mar 2021 #10
Yeah, I'm definitely not saying the state is there "as a whole." WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #11
The fact that such an amendment failed by only ONE vote is not comforting... regnaD kciN Mar 2021 #14
Do you have any idea why that is? Do you think the incidence is actually larger Maraya1969 Mar 2021 #13
About WV? No idea. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #17
They didn't actually survey teens. They estimated what they thought Tanuki Mar 2021 #20
IF Murkowski had not voted NO, would Manchin have changed his vote to NO? TIA Celerity Mar 2021 #22
that is a great question dsc Mar 2021 #23
Well Done Patty! nt leftieNanner Mar 2021 #2
49-50 Orangepeel Mar 2021 #8
dumb jock RicROC Mar 2021 #9
Fuck off Tubby ass vercetti2021 Mar 2021 #12
A bump in the minimum wage wasn't germane to the Covid-19 relief bill gratuitous Mar 2021 #15
He's an evil bag of hammers. kairos12 Mar 2021 #16
He also coached at Ol' Miss misanthrope Mar 2021 #18
GOP is now the party of culture wars-- they define traditional values as the bedrock of conservatism andym Mar 2021 #19
Manchin's vote in this case is, unfortunately, consistent radius777 Mar 2021 #21

dsc

(52,152 posts)
6. I am not defending his vote
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 09:45 PM
Mar 2021

though it likely was politically popular I am just amazed at how far Democrats as a whole has come. For us to have only one such vote on this issue is a nice surprise.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,309 posts)
7. And I'm not nagging you.
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 09:51 PM
Mar 2021

It's certainly politically unpopular among the teens in his state, I would think. We've come a long way. There is always more ground to cover.

dsc

(52,152 posts)
10. I teach so I would say we might want to hold up on the hosannas of the new tolerant
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 09:57 PM
Mar 2021

age, teens are better on these issues but they are by no means uniformly so. We are definitely making progress, even among conservative teens but I still see some outward bigotry by teens at the school I teach at (and given that I am known for not accepting it I can only imagine what it is like in other rooms). In short, even if WVA has more trans teens per capital than any other state (and I would like to see the numbers behind this in terms of how large the N was for each state) that still doesn't mean the state as a whole is there yet.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,309 posts)
11. Yeah, I'm definitely not saying the state is there "as a whole."
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 10:07 PM
Mar 2021

Per-cap gets weird in small populations, but because it's WV, I still feel it's remarkable. Here's a link to the study, which came out in 2017: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3475680-Age-of-Individuals-Who-Identify-as-Transgender.html

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
14. The fact that such an amendment failed by only ONE vote is not comforting...
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 PM
Mar 2021

Sure, Manchin was the only Democrat to vote for it, but every damn Republican except Murkowski was in favor. That includes Susan "Concerned" Collins, Mitt "I Voted To Convict Trump Twice" Romney, Ben "I'm The Adult In The Room" Sasse, and the rest of the whole sorry lot. If they even had a shred of decency, it would have been voted down by a wide margin.

It makes me wonder how many current Republican senators would vote in favor of a motion reestablishing slavery? I'd say at least 48, maybe more.

Maraya1969

(22,464 posts)
13. Do you have any idea why that is? Do you think the incidence is actually larger
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 10:19 PM
Mar 2021

or are more trans people just speaking up about it.

Tanuki

(14,914 posts)
20. They didn't actually survey teens. They estimated what they thought
Mon Mar 8, 2021, 02:36 AM
Mar 2021

teens would say if asked, based on the self report of adults.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/23/us/transgender-teenagers-how-many.html

"Nearly 150,000 American teenagers from 13 to 17 years old — or one out of every 137 — would identify as transgender if survey takers asked, according to an analysis of state and federal data that offers an answer to a question that has long eluded researchers.
...

The analysis, an extrapolation based on adult responses to a federal survey, represents an indirect way of arriving at a figure that many advocates consider to be of crucial importance.

...
The Williams Institute estimates are based on a large Centers for Disease Control and Prevention survey known as the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System. In addition to a core set of questions asked nationally, the C.D.C. allows states to choose from several optional questions to ask their residents. One such option, selected by about half the states in 2015 and slightly fewer in 2014, inquired about transgender identity. More than 150,000 people answered the question each year.

With that in hand, the researchers applied an advanced statistical technique regarded by some academics as an emerging gold standard for making state estimates using national data, based on well-worn demographic and geographic patterns. The researchers extended the findings of the survey to all 50 states, after accounting for differences in race, age, education, income and religion. The C.D.C. surveys only adults, but the authors used trends among older age groups to estimate the number of teenagers who would identify as transgender if asked."....(more at link)

dsc

(52,152 posts)
23. that is a great question
Mon Mar 8, 2021, 08:24 AM
Mar 2021

and like most times that is said, the answer will not be so great. I don't know.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
15. A bump in the minimum wage wasn't germane to the Covid-19 relief bill
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 10:47 PM
Mar 2021

But this little piece of naked bigotry was?

Any Senator who voted against the minimum wage amendment and in favor of Tuberville's amendment is lacking a heart, a soul, and any sense of decency. Shameful.

misanthrope

(7,411 posts)
18. He also coached at Ol' Miss
Mon Mar 8, 2021, 02:13 AM
Mar 2021

Texas Tech and Cincinnati. Why does Auburn have to get saddled sole ownership of this buffoon?

andym

(5,443 posts)
19. GOP is now the party of culture wars-- they define traditional values as the bedrock of conservatism
Mon Mar 8, 2021, 02:18 AM
Mar 2021

That's what they talk about most-- they care much less about economics it appears.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
21. Manchin's vote in this case is, unfortunately, consistent
Mon Mar 8, 2021, 02:52 AM
Mar 2021

with the views of his very culturally conservative state. But his other votes that tighten the money that people can get are not, as his residents and his governor want the money. Basically Manchin stinks and we need to expand our majority to make him irrelevant. If this anti-trans amendment had passed it possibly could've sunk the entire bill.

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