Meghan and Oprah interview...holy shit!

[superpatriotman]

The royals and their ‘institution’ sound like total monsters.

Meghan is making it very clear (racism, suicidal thoughts) why she and her husband and their child left the family and his country.

Watch this interview even if you think it’s silly to care.

[applegrove]

1. I could not watch that. Reeks of palace intrigue on all sides. I am currently watching

The Crown which is more known history. Tamer. Fewer people hurting. Longer story arcs.

[superpatriotman]

10. The royals and their institution were monsters in the crown, too

It continues today is what the interview proves (from Meghan and Harry’s perspective)

[applegrove]

12. I'm only at the start of season two. I've been aware of all the compromises people made

and the dashed hopes so far. This current crisis seems like a real knife fight. People are going to and have been hurt.

[illegal smile]

23. ...said Alice, through the Looking Glass.

[applegrove]

28. Do you mean a mirror or something out of the norm?

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

62. The Crown is so highly fictionalized that I gave up after the second

or third episode of the first season. As a starter, Prince Philip was NEVER a loving and kind father to Charles. I've had the apparent misfortune to have read actual biographies of many of the royals, and so I'm pretty clear on what those people are really like.

I haven't yet seen the interview (I'll have to see where someone without conventional TV can watch it) but I will say that almost every photograph of Harry and Meghan show a couple truly in love and happy to be together. I wish them nothing but a good life.

[applegrove]

63. I wish that family peace as i do any family. If that be together or apart

i think we know the answer to that. Yes The Sussexes are very much in love. I hope they stay that way. I don't want anyone hurt more than they have been already. And i don't want to see it.

Yes of course the Crown is fictionalized. That removes it from making me cringe.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

71. The extreme fictionalization is exactly what made me cringe.

Sometimes my problem is that I know too much of history or science or some such.

I had to stop watching the movie The Midnight Sky because of extreme stupidly wrong factual stuff. To start with, the notion that there is a previously unknown moon of Jupiter that is rather earthlike is laughable. Imagine we'd somehow never noticed another moon, the size of our own, around our planet. And then, the real plot mover, that the returning spaceship would somehow be out of touch with Earth until the very last minute is totally unbelievable and not possible. I can't even think of a real world comparison. Maybe that you're driving down the freeway and somehow can't see any exits? I dunno. There simply would NOT be any kind of blackout in communications.

I double checked those things with My Son The Astronomer, and he told me I had it right.

I'm not sure what the actual point of the movie was, since I stopped watching after about 15 minutes, but if it had something to do with human connections, surely there could have been some other way to do it.

Sigh. I get so frustrated with the idiocy of Hollywood.

[applegrove]

80. I used to not be able to tolerate historical fictions. I would put a book down

the second i realized it was "based on....". Then i found James A. Mitchener 's historical novels and respected them for the history and movement of civilizations through time brought alive. That led to a love of cultural histories of all kinds with real characters. I used to like documentaries now not so much. I don't know why these changes. I'll have to think on that.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

111. Early Michener novels are pretty good.

Later ones, meh. My opinion anyway.

The thing is, you can't simply generalize. Some writers are very good and stick as closely as possible to the actual history. Others play fast and loose. If you don't already have a decent sense of the actual era, you can be led astray.

That said, I am currently reading the novel The Children's Blizzard by Melanie Benjamin. It's about the horrific blizzard that devastated parts of Nebraska and South Dakota on January 12, 1888. That morning the temperatures were so mild, after a week or so of extreme cold, that lots of children went off to their small one-room school houses very lightly dressed. A bit after noon a blizzard swept in, an incredibly fierce and devastating storm, worse than almost any ever experienced in that part of the country, which was already all too familiar with terrible blizzards. It struck right around the time those small schools were letting out. The teachers, most of them 16, 17, 18 year old girls themselves, were faced with a terrible decision. Should they release their charges into the storm? Or try to keep them safe in schoolhouses that were essentially shanties, with no insulation, and almost no fuel to keep them warm? Either choice was deadly.

Hundreds died, many of them children. Hence the name, The Children's Blizzard.

I have already read the book with the same title by David Laskin. Actually, I saw him speak at a book event when it came out. It's an incredible book and I'd recommend it to anyone. This novel is incredibly better. Because it is fiction, the author gets to recreate what it was like on a very personal level.

My point here is how wonderful novels can be. Even though you and I might prefer different ones, the emotional response is what matters.

[luvtheGWN]

84. Sorry, the Crown is what one would term historical fiction.

The timelines are correct for major historical events, but anything said inside the Palace, by any of the Royals, is pure fiction.

[pnwmom]

99. I believe Meghan and Harry. Racism was clearly involved. n/t

[applegrove]

102. Oh yes. I believe that too.

[lkinwi]

2. I'm finding the interview interesting and horrifying at the same time.

[elleng]

9. Yes

[Trueblue1968]

89. CHARLES IS SUCH A JERK. I can't stand him

[lkinwi]

129. A couple friends and I were texting during the interview and were guessing that Charles was the

major problem.

[Budi]

3. She walked naively into a fking asylum of control. Harry took his family & fled

It'd be like living in a creepy religious compound dominated by snitches at every turn.

I'm glad their little family survived.
Harry knows now what his mom endured & I don't blame him for grabbing his beautiful little family & fleeing.

I wish them happiness.

[wnylib]

54. Didn't Harry warn her?

[Hekate]

83. When you live in a dysfunctional family, it can be difficult to see just how bad it is...

Until you bring someone new into it and watch them get hurt.

William and Kate are fully embedded and apparently fully adjusted. Fine — he’s going to be King one of these days.

Harry — every time I’ve read about him for years there has been some hint that he was never fully and comfortably integrated into the system. That the wounds of his mother’s death never fully healed. That there is something of the outsider in him.

Harry fell in love with a real outsider — falling in love is a complex thing — maybe she offered him a way out, in the end.

[wnylib]

100. I read a long time ago that Harry suspected

that Charles was not his father since Diana had an affair after things got so bad for her. He thought that's where his red hair came from. Could be.

But, if you look at photos of the extended royal family, there are other red heads among the grandchildren of Elizabeth and Philip. Probably some redheads in Diana's Spencer ancestry, too. Quite a few old noble and royal families with red hair.

Harry looks to me like a reincarnation of Henry VIII.

Looks like the royals were intentionally driving Harry away, either because of the hint that Charles might not be his father, or because of Meghan, or both.

Whatever the case, it must be very difficult to divorce one's entire family, but in the end it looks like he and Meghan will be better off for it.

[musette_sf]

115. Harry as he has gotten older

looks half Spencer and half Phillip

[wnylib]

117. Oh my. Half Phillip or half Charles?

A new royal scandal?

[Budi]

119. Ok Oprah, here ya go! Now That's a SCANDAL!

Half Phillip AND half Charles

I think that should be tossed across Piers Morgan's desk. He's the Maggie Haberman of British Tabloid scandals.

My god that's funny af.

[wnylib]

120. I think the poster that I responded to

meant to say that Harry looks half Spencer and half Charles, but typed half Phillip, which made me wonder - Diana and Phillip?

[Budi]

122. Is that the 100 yr old Phillip? Lol. Hey weirder things have happened!

I think the biggest scandal is Harry & Meghan outing the cruel racism of The Firm.

Dropped it like a meteorite on the castle & said 'Here, keep your security detail & royal title.
Fix yourselves, Bye"

[JI7]

123. Philip is his grandfather who he looks exactly like

[wnylib]

124. Harry looks like Phillip???

I see a strong resemblance between Phillip and William, but don't see any resemblance beteeen Phillip and Harry.

Fortunately for them, neither one looks much like Charles.

[Hekate]

126. When Diana's brother read her eulogy, iirc he was a redhead. I always thought that's where Harry...

...got those genes. And when he was a little boy, he looked so like his mother. Charles, as it happens, is pretty homely.

[wnylib]

127. Understatement on Charles' appearance.

[Scottie Mom]

136. This. EOM

[HipChick]

4. They did the same to Diana..she also got suicidal...she threw herself down a flight of stairs

when she was pregnant..
they gave her no help either..

[superpatriotman]

5. Harry was afraid his wife would end up like his mother, Diana

Because they pulled security

[Maraya1969]

16. And baby Archie has no title or security. That's just sick. Plus there was talk

about how dark skinned he was going to be.

And I saw the magazine articles where they praised Princess Kate and slinged barbs are Megan.

I'm glad for them that they are out of that crazy place.

[Happy Hoosier]

46. Will not Archie inherit the Duchy of Sussex?

Or will it revert to the crown?

[superpatriotman]

52. Archie is persona non grata

He gets squat. Neither will his upcoming sister.

[Happy Hoosier]

78. Is there a source for that?

He would be in line to inherit his father's titles, even if he does not has his own right now as I understand succession law in Britain. Not that is matters all that much, but the crown cannot prevent such an inheritance on a whim. Everything I've read is that the title of "prince" can be extended as a courtesy, but has not been. But he is STILL heir apparent to the Duchy of Sussex.

[NYC Liberal]

88. There are conspiracy theorists who believe Meghan used a surrogate,

Thus he would not be “of her body” and not legally entitled to any titles. They claim the reason Harry and Meghan declined a title for him was really to avoid having to admit this. They are essentially British Birthers.

That’s from a few minutes of Googling.

[treestar]

147. lol figures

just as crazy as with Obama.

[Maraya1969]

140. I read it all here at CNN

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/08/uk/meghan-harry-oprah-interview-recap-scli-gbr-intl/index.html

[Happy Hoosier]

145. I don't think that says what you think that says.

Whether or not Archie is a Royal Prince is at the Crown's discretion. And given that he is the son of a Prince who is not expected to inherit the crown, and whose parents are not "working" royals, it's not really a surprise that he is not extended the title (racism aside).

But the Crown cannot simply deny inheritance of the Duchy of Sussex.

[wnylib]

53. Who would want it?

[Happy Hoosier]

79. He can renounce it if he wishes, I suppose.

But the title is his to inherit.

I know many in this country disdain the hereditary nobility of Great Britain, which is fine, but I am a bit of a history nerd and anglophile and still romanticize the notion, I guess.

[wnylib]

94. I was surprised when my genealogy

research turned up descent from the Plantagenet dynasty on one side of one grandmother's family. There are so many people, even in the US, who trace back to them that it is no big deal. After all, descendants increase exponentially, just as ancestors do when tracing back to them. Would never turn me into an Anglophile. It was 7 centuries ago.

But it did teach me a lot about British history since I looked up more about them and what drove their descendants to come to America. They were the kind of people whose actions would have got the whole clan in prison if they had not been royals and nobles. The kind of people that cause you to say, "Well, there's one in every family." Except it's not one, but all of them.

Doesn't make me feel romantic about them. Just grateful that the dynasty changed and they came to America.

[Happy Hoosier]

95. I am careful not confuse romance with reality

I am very interested in medieval history and culture. Make no mistake, these people could be and often were cruel. I am glad the days of politicly empowered nobility are largely gone in Britain.

[wnylib]

103. Now they limit their dysfunction to

their own immediate and extended family. An improvement for the rest of the nation, I'm sure.

[kskiska]

90. Other Royals have no titles

Princess Anne's kids don't, Edward's kids don't, Andrew's grandchildren don't.

[Retrograde]

97. Neither do I, and I get by

Somehow, I can't get too worked up that a child - even the great-grandson of a monarch - has to put up with what, oh, 95% of children in the UK do. At least his parents have money and contacts - and know how to use the media.

[pinkstarburst]

141. They chose to give up their royal

titles and duties because they wanted to live as private citizens. What did they expect would happen? I think it's a little laughable to make that decision to split off from the royal family, and then cry big fat crocodile tears about how your children don't get the title of Prince and Princess and don't get royal security. You're CHOOSING to split off from a life as a working royal, move to America, live in a 15 million dollar mansion and sign TV production deals. Of COURSE the UK taxpayers should no longer be responsible for funding your security if you are no longer a working royal. To expect anything other is incredibly entitled.

Also, there are other royals (Princess Anne's kids, Prince Edward's kids and others) who don't have titles.

[frazzled]

6. We thought we'd watch a few minutes

But it turns out to be way more fascinating than I thought. Issues about the press, racism, and of course, the institution of the royalty.

What seems to becoming clearer, is that Charles is (once again) the main problem. Or maybe we’re just projecting from the past season of The Crown. He refused to talk to his own son? Hmmm.

[Talitha]

45. Yeah, my jaw dropped when I heard Charles wasn't accepting Harry's calls!

[Demsrule86]

138. This shows we made the right decision in 1776...scumbags. Look at Brexit...brought about by

racism...hatred against immigrants many who have dark skin.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

7. Unsurprising, given the history of the institution; refreshing to see it spelled out so explicitly.

Here's hoping Meghan has the support she needs and deserves.

[Ilsa]

8. Rats! I forgot!

I'm getting the last 40 minutes recorded, but I bet I missed the most direct explanation of why they left.

Would you like to tease me with a few details?

[Maraya1969]

18. I just read about it on CNN. I'd like to know where it will play later also because

I don't have cable.

[brush]

105. Here goes. There was racist speculation about how brown...

baby Archie would be; Charles has stopped taking Harry's calls; Meghan did not cause Kate to cry, it was just the reverse. And of course the British tabloids and social media are trashing Meghan and praising Kate at every turn.

The Queen came off well. She's been very loving to Meghan.

[Ilsa]

144. I had seen numerous comparisons of how media

treated Meghan vs Kate. It was glaring. The media really thought their readership would dislike Meghan, and they wrote articles to encourage it. Would I call it racist? Yes, likely it was. They didn't like Fergie much either after she divorced Andrew (?), but they weren't as ugly to her during the marriage until it started falling apart.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/meghan-markle-kate-middleton-double-standards-royal

Here Are 20 Headlines Comparing Meghan Markle To Kate Middleton That May Show Why She And Prince Harry Left Royal Life
Over the years, Meghan has been shamed for the same things for which her sister-in-law, Kate, has been praised.

Example:
About Kate: "Bumping along nicely! The Duchess was seen placing a protective hand on her tummy as she exited the event." Daily Mail: March 22, 2018

About Meghan: "Personally, I find the cradling a bit like those signs in the back of cars: Baby on Board. Virtue signaling, as though the rest of us barren harridans deserve to burn alive in our cars." Daily Mail: Jan. 26, 2019

There are many more, criticizing decisions on fashion, the weddings, holidays, events, etc where Kate gets a pass, Meghan gets a slap.

It was good to hear that ERII has been supportive of Harry and Meghan. I think she might be the best of the old establishment.

[RandySF]

11. I once heard that 'Princess Kate' made some racist comments to Meghan.

[UTUSN]

17. Meghan totally did not say that in this interview, only said the story about her making Kate cry

was the opposite and that Kate apologized, personally and in a note, and that Meghan "forgave" her. And it was about the flower girls' costumes for the wedding. In this show, Meghan sounded like throwing Harry under the bus, that the race issues weren't said to her directly but through what Harry told her others were saying. There was another issue (can't remember) where she said he is who told her something else.

[brush]

108. She didn't throw Harry under the bus. She said hurtful things were said to Harry...

by members of the firm and he discussed it with her which of course a husband would do with his wife. They appealed for help/protection from the family and when it wasn't forthcoming, they began planning to step back from their duties.

[superpatriotman]

13. They pulled his security

Why in the world would someone do that? Hmmmmmm.

[live love laugh]

14. It seemed to coincide with the airing of the interview IIRC. nt

[superpatriotman]

19. Nope

It all happened, allegedly, before Oprah was ever discussed

[live love laugh]

44. Thanks for the correction.

[Hortensis]

15. That's a hard fact that's hard to understand. Sure, he could

hire private security to replace the professional royal security; but as he said, he was born into this position and it shocked him that they would withdraw it. Easy to believe he could never suspect that could happen.

[HipChick]

22. Meanwhile Andrew the pedophile goes about his white privilege...

[luvtheGWN]

87. It all has to do with -- you guessed it -- money!

The UK taxpayers pay for security for the Royal family. The family is very aware of the need to keep those taxpayers happy -- after all their very existence depends on the monarchy's continuation.

So, if the Sussexes were no longer going to be "working" members of the Family, then why should the taxpayers have to pay for security (which amounts to around $7M/year.

Forget the fact that Harry didn't choose to be born into the Family, but because he was, he is a target for all sorts of unscrupulous lowlifes. Just imagine if Harry, or Meghan, or Archie, were ever kidnapped simply because the kidnappers know that the Queen has potential billions to pay a ransom....the mind boggles.

[avebury]

20. It has to have been either Phillip, Charles,

William or Kate that raised the issue if what the skin tone if any children would be

And Charles stopped taking Harry's call.

The firm refused Meghan's request for inpatient mental health care.

Somebody in the family asking her to go more low key when she had only been out if the palace twice in 4 months.

It sounded like the Firm was prepared to keep any mixed race child from ever having a title or security.

It sounded like their only choice in order to survive was to leave the UK. And contrary to claims that pulled a fast one on the Queen they had been talking to the Queen, Charles and the Firm for months trying to get help before they finally threw in the towel.

It will be interesting to see how the interview plays in the UK.

[speak easy]

21. No, it was Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, an unapologetic racist.

It he did not say it, he would have, given the chance.

[Mary in S. Carolina]

24. Prince Philip

Not sure, but didn't three of Prince Philip's sisters marry Nazi soldiers? And isn't he 1/2 Russian

[speak easy]

27. Philip had Nazi connections. He is an UNAPOLOGETIC racist.

In 1999, Prince Philip had asked black (UK) politician, Lord Taylor of Warwick: "And what exotic part of the world do you come from?"

https://www.ibtimes.com/prince-philip-racist-8-times-when-duke-edinburghs-remarks-stirred-controversy-2534413

[obamanut2012]

133. Philip was a war hero for the Allies

It is not his fault his family lived in Germany and married Nazis. He had a welcoming home in the UK with Luis Mountbatten, who also fought for the Allies.

Philip is a racist, sexist, classist, cheating ass, but he was not and is not a Nazi.

[speak easy]

143. Perhaps I should have said Philip had family connections to Nazis.

His sisters were married to Nazis. Princess Sophie was married to an SS colonel on Reichsführer Himmler's personal staff.

[milestogo]

26. My bet is on Charles, who stands to be king soon,

and would care about the racial purity of the line even though Harry will not be heir to the throne.

[speak easy]

29. Philip. Duke of Edinburgh. Famously racist.

It he did not say it, he would have, given half the chance.

[DenaliDemocrat]

65. They are not even British

They are genetically German. Purity is nonsense

[Hekate]

128. Piffle.The royal families of Europe have been marrying each other for centuries as part of strategic

...alliances. They always made sure their daughters and sons could speak more than their own native tongue, whatever that was. Anyway, calling another monarch “dear cousin” was often fairly literal.

This worked out okay as long as close cousins didn’t intermarry over too many generations — in which case people might end up with the Hapsburg Jaw.

I was amused to read that Victoria’s husband Albert’s native land, Saxe-Coberg, was poor but had excess princes who got married off here and there, so much that it got the nickname “the stud-farm of Europe.”

Anyway, there is a lot of German in the British royal family. I know ordinary people in America who changed their names because of war — well, among the royals, Battenberg became Mountbatten on the occasion of WWI.

[Hortensis]

130. Excess princes and Mountbatten. :) Fun to read.

[BusyBeingBest]

35. I doubt Phillip knows much of anything going on anymore, he's almost 100.

[Trueblue1968]

93. it is all the fault of Charles. remember how horrible he was to Diana. He is a monster.

[KarenS]

25. Interesting,,, fascinating,,,, shocking,,,,,

Just watched about an hour of it and I'll watch the rest tomorrow,,,,
Meghan was direct and careful with her responses,,,, very measured.
"The Royals" were lucky to have someone like her and it is their loss that Meghan & Harry left.

[superpatriotman]

30. The tabloids are not Meghan and Harry-friendly

read the headline stories here:

https://www.the-sun.com/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html

[Mary in S. Carolina]

81. The Tabloids....Rupert Murchoch

We need to get rid of him...Boycott? Cancel Cable?

[Mary in S. Carolina]

82. Sorry Spelling

Murdoch.. I think..who cares, just another loser.

[Deminpenn]

31. Sorry, but if these two whiners want to cut

ties with their royal family, then do it. Renounce the titles and the stipend and whatever other privileges come with being a "royal" and even your British citizenship if needed. Get real jobs and raise your kids like any other normal household. Then just go away.

[CatWoman]

33. why should they have to "go away"???

simply because that's what you want?

[Deminpenn]

38. For two people who claim to want privacy,

normal life, whatever, they sure do seem to like the spotlight of having public spats with the family they don't like.

[CatWoman]

41. that's a long way from you saying they should just "go away"

wanting privacy and a normal life is NORMAL - and they have every right to discuss their previous life openly.

That is, if you don't mind?

[speak easy]

34. A woman suffering prolonged suicidal ideation is a whiner?

I think that says more about you than her, or her husband.

[Cha]

112. Thank you.. that's Exactly what it does.

[Mary in S. Carolina]

37. Go away because she is bi-racial???

Nope, stay and fight Megan!!

[Deminpenn]

40. No, go away because they can't stop themselves

from fighting with their family in public.

[speak easy]

42. Like Mary Trump for example?

[CatWoman]

43. seems to me they didn't start the fire

they are just responding to the sleaze heaped upon them by the fire department.

[MicaelS]

39. If you were paying attention...

Which you were not, you would have Harry say they HAVE been cutoff. He has his money from his late mother, and that is it.

[Deminpenn]

47. IIRC, Harry was still getting a royal stipend,

but you are correct I don't follow the twists and turns of their public breakup with their family. I get that in the UK, royal watching is a time-honored tradition, but why anyone here gives a hoot about their travails is puzzling.

They don't want to be part of the royal family, so why does Harry even care that he's cut off from money?

[MicaelS]

49. Obviously you care what people give "hoot" about.

Otherwise you would not have posted the first time.

[summer_in_TX]

61. I'm not a royal watcher, but I do care about this human story.

I completely get why many others of us do. Race should not have mattered at all, but so clearly does. It not only reveals a lot about that particular family but also about the English culture and society. It does not reflect well on either.

As for Meghan, I'm rooting for her thriving and having a decent life. Not easy to be considered an inferior interloper by your husband's family and most of his people or to be under a microscope.

As for the interview, I don't know if it's a matter of being able to give one's own side of the story and stand up for oneself, or what. But that's understandable.

[catbyte]

64. Wow. What compassion. Harry couldn't help what family he was born into, or, for that matter,

who he fell in love with.

Edited to add:

And why should they "just go away" if they were subjected to discrimination and lies? They have every right to defend themselves. And I don't see them trying to get their names in the paper every 5 minutes either.

[Hamlette]

86. There is a great scene in the movie The Queen

when the Queen is getting shit for not doing a royal funeral for Diana and the Prime Minister calls his staff out on it saying something about how she didn't ask for this role. She was way down the line and they never expected her to be Queen and it was thrust upon here.

Great movie. I'm sure you can stream it if you've not seen it.

[Retrograde]

98. But she wasn't "way down the line"

She was 3rd in line at birth, and after Edward abdicated and her father became king she was the heir presumptive. She was raised to be the sovereign. Sorry, I don't buy this excuse. And if she doesn't want the job, she can abdicate: there is precedent.

[Hamlette]

106. I don't think she could abdicate

her place in line is not important, sorry I mentioned it. The point was she didn't choose it.

After the scandal of her uncle I don't think she could abdicate. we are far from royals but we had certain obligations to family. I was raised with it. Add to that having been taught your whole life that you had an obligation to the country too. I can see feeling a need to perform one's duty.

I am NOT saying it is right, its a cultural thing and I'm glad that more and more people are saying its bull shit.

[Retrograde]

110. Other monarchs have done it

Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands and King Juan Carlos of Spain both abdicated in favor of their children when they felt they were too old to be effective monarchs. The whole
"can't abdicate" seems to be a British thing - and for a country with no written constitution they seem to have a lot of constitutional crises.

IMHO, she's hanging on because she doesn't like Charles. But the "I can't abdicate" seems to be a rule the British monarchs made up for themselves.

[Hamlette]

114. sorry

I have no idea what you are talking about.

She couldn't hand it over to her kids or her sister.

And Her uncle had done it but a few years before so British don't have a rule against abdication.

Hopefully Charles will do it for Wm but as I understand it, Wallis Simpson is still the most hated person in Great Britain and she's been dead for 35 years.

I wouldn't be surprised if the got rid of the monarchy whenLiz dies if they can figure out how to split the property.

[obamanut2012]

135. He never said "way down the line," since it isn't true

She was second in line after her uncle David became King.

[pnwmom]

101. Your ignorance is showing. They get no stipend and Harry doesn't even get security.

And the mixed-race grandchild was the first in the family, ever, to be denied a future a title or security from the time of his birth. All the white grandchildren, yes, but not Archie.

And the information about titles isn't something we just learned today. This came out months ago.

[BusyBeingBest]

32. It was clear they were treating her like shit from the get-go.

It was never going to work out.

[wnylib]

59. Very predictable. So why would anyone

Be surprised?

[Budi]

36. Racist, hateful & turned against their own. I hope they have their own security

I doubt I'd trust security detail from The Firm.
What a chilling tale.

Link to tweet

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[Cha]

113. Just think.. if they had chosen love

instead of racist hate for their grandchild.

And, now from reading this thread I see she's expecting a baby girl.

TY Rt

[Budi]

121. Awww! 💕💖 I'm so glad they met each other. Really!

Meghan freed Harry...
Imagine how beautiful this daughter will be.

[Cha]

154. Yeah, after seeing her on Suits for all

those years I was intrigued!

Always a sucker for a love story.. and this one is turning out wilder than fiction.

[Nictuku]

48. Thank you for posting

DVR is set (not 8:00pm in CA yet)

[luv2fly]

50. Good for them both

Living their own lives and choosing what is best for their family.

[Klaralven]

51. These are the Royals that matter. Note that it doesn't Include Harry and Archie, much less Meghan

And George has a brother and sister who also precede Harry. Harry and Archie don't need protection because they are just extra spares. Elizabeth has a lot of grandchildren and great-grandchildren by now.

Royal Family tree and line of succession

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-23272491

[orleans]

58. i believe the security issue, and why harry has hired security, is due to death threats

to both him and his wife. it was mentioned several times

[Klaralven]

131. It's probably all about money

The costs would have been reasonable had they been content to live a quiet life at Frogmore on the Windsor grounds.

However, if she pursued her career, with travel and living accommodations in various places, it would have been very expensive.

Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice had security when they were higher in the succession, but do not now.

Then there was that political row in Canada when it appeared that they were being protected by the RCMP at Canadian taxpayer expense.

The fact is that she married the "spare" Prince, who had been sort of equal to his brother while they were second and third in line to the throne. However, since Kate produced an heir and two spares, Harry is sixth in line, and he just doesn't matter any more. His position is like his uncles and aunt - secondary branches of the royal family not on the main stem.

Kate and Meghan are nowhere close to equal. Kate is the mother of a future crowned head of the realm. Meghan is not.

Why Prince Harry and Meghan Markle’s Security Protection Was Such a Big Deal

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/03/prince-harry-meghan-markle-security

[Mary in S. Carolina]

55. We have your back

No matter what happens we have your back Meghan! You are an American and we are proud of you, your family and your decisions.

[Alex4Martinez]

57. +1

Never been a fan of anything royal but I'm a fan of these two now that they're rejected by royalty.

[frogmarch]

56. I was surprised that

although race was discussed as a reason Meghan was treated badly, nothing was said about the fact that she's an American having had something to do with it too.

[wnylib]

76. Interesting. If Harry had married a woman who

was of a different race but from one of the Commonwealth nations, I wonder if the royals would have been less harsh with her.

But then look what they did to Diana, a white Brit descended from nobility.

Such a stuffy, insular group would be suffocating to be around. Acceptance of stiff protocols and the ability to be cold are prerequites it seems. Not for anyone who wants to be a whole, genuine human being.

The continuation of the monarchy in the UK comes across to me like a nation of adolescents who can't quite ever make the final break from parents into adulthood.

[treestar]

146. True.

Wallis Simpson was their last go with that, and they didn't handle that well at all. Though she was marrying the King, not a spare.

[IbogaProject]

60. I hate monarchy

Dianna was independently wealthy so Harry had an extra set of funds independent if the crown Corporation. So he is unique to be able to move away from their control. The UK and that shady city state at its heart are along with the other Royal houses are the source of much misery globally, however much PR they do.

[niyad]

75. Welcome to our DU family.

[Hamlette]

85. agree, but the loss of family. friendship, companionship etc must have been hard.

I couldn't help but see him as that little boy who lost his mom and to learn his dad stopped taking his calls! My daughter in law and I had a row and my son would not take my calls for many weeks. I was broken. It still hurts 10 years later even though we worked through it.

I don't think it was the money to hire security that concerned them, it was that your Grandmother, the flipping Queen of England said you, your wife and my great grandson are not important enough to protect.

[Joinfortmill]

67. It's going to rock the UK

[BobTheSubgenius]

69. I feel kind of badly for her. She didn't fully appreciate what she was buying into.

With no experience in this kind of life, she was probably blindsided. I give Harry major kudos for having the love for his wife/nuclear family to move away from the awesome power and expected responsibility to the Crown.

Good for him for looking for a less toxic and stifling life.

[catbyte]

72. I'm not an expert, but I understand that Harry had a lot more contact with the Spencers

than William because he was "the spare" so he wasn't under the Windsor's thumb nearly as much. I think he was able to be more independent because of the influence of his mother's family after her death.

[Ziggysmom]

70. The Windsors are just a bunch of Germans

Who changed their name after WWI to sound more British. Shit, Queen Victoria’s first language was German and she married her German cousin. The royals are all about appearances and not substance. I do believe they are racist but try to hide it.

[Pongo]

132. You call them 'just a bunch of Germans' like that is something horrible.

Never mind the fact that the Queen was born in England, so were her father and mother, and so were her grandparents. She has German ancestry just as all of us here have some other ancestry, but she’s hardly a German. That’s kind of like saying someone isn’t American because their ancestors came from Mexico. Your post is perplexing in a number of ways.

[Ziggysmom]

142. They conveniently changed their family name to sound British and distance themselves from

German heritage when it was unpopular after the the war. I was getting at how mixed their backgrounds are, so they should not snub or disapprove of Meghan’s race and ethnicity?

[BuddhaGirl]

139. Not just German

but Danish too.

George V was half Danish.

[Hekate]

73. I just read the NYT review that popped up. Ye gods.

That thing about Baby Archie’s skin tone — yikes. Sure, I’ve speculated too, but only to wonder if he’s going to inherit his daddy’s flaming red hair. But then, you know, that comes from my personal context of growing up among so many racially mixed people that anything is possible, and besides, I wouldn’t say it to anyone but a friend. There’s not just racism involved with that Royal milieu — there’s an emotional frigidity approaching zero Kelvin.

Princess Diana has been made out to be an emotionally frail person too young for the job and not up to the stress. I wonder now. From all reports, Meghan Markle was a self-assured career woman able to deal with whatever, as well as being at least a decade older than Diana. The fact that Meghan started contemplating suicide puts a whole new and ugly gloss on the Diana story.

I wish them all the best here on the Central Coast. The only one who will stand out in a crowd is Harry, and that’s because of the aforementioned red hair.

[Spazito]

74. I believe Meghan and Harry.

[Cozmo]

77. OOO WEE whole lot of meanness coming out on DU tonight!

[Hamlette]

91. What was he saying about the trip to Australia?

he implied the family was upset about it some how?

Anyone know?

[pnwmom]

104. He implied that Meghan's success in Australia caused repercussions with The Institution.

I'm guessing there was jealousy involved, as there had been with Lady Diana.

[Hamlette]

107. I felt sorry for him when they compared it to Diana's trip.

sad deal all around.

[pnwmom]

125. It must have been very painful for him to find himself reliving an experience like that.

Thank goodness they rescued each other.

[brush]

116. Seems there was jealousy that Meghan pulled it off so well.

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She was charming, gracious and graceful while she was at to the Aussies. Harry commented that his mother's trip to Australia got the same kind of reaction from the firm.

Not a good thing for Harry to think about.

[eShirl]

149. You'd think they (the firm) would want it to have gone well.

There's no pleasing them.
Harry's right, it's a trap.

[brush]

151. Yes. It's their loss. Harry even mention that, since 70%...

of Commonwealth are POCs.

[hamsterjill]

92. I didn't think some of what Meghan said sounded believable.

The racism? No doubt that’s probably true and just disgusting. But she never thought about what would be involved marrying in to the royal family? Come on!!! Parts were a little overly dramatic in my opinion.

That said, I wish them well.

[Hamlette]

96. I agree

I didn't see all of it and I adored her in Suits, but I didn't like her in the interview.

Since I'd missed some, I was googling around and found this newspaper headlines showing how awful she was treated.

Id be suicidal too.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/meghan-markle-kate-middleton-double-standards-royal

[Mr.Bill]

109. Watched the whole thing. My gut feeling is Charles is the bad guy, and

probably his wife, too. It was refreshing that both Harry and Meghan both seem to still have a very good relationship with the Queen. Oprah says she will have more to say and talk about the reaction worldwide to the interview on the CBS morning show tomorrow. I set the DVR because I'm retired and don't get up that early.

[beaglelover]

118. It was definitely eye opening!!

Much damage done to the royal family especially Prince Charles. It was pretty obvious that he made the comments about the skin color of their babies. They both said very nice things about the Queen so I don’t think it was her who made those racist comments.

[Maxheader]

134. Wonder if..

It's really much different here? The queen has a really long arm.

And they'd still have security, which could be really restrictive...

[avebury]

137. According to Oprah on CBS Morning, Harry told her that it was not

the Queen or his Grandfather (Phillip) that made the comment about the skin color of his children.

That puts Charles,William or Kate at the top of the who it the racist list.

Since both Harry and Meghan said that it would be very damaging to the person if their name came out on this matter it might be William or Kate. Charles has had more than his share of scandal so while it would be damaging, I think that it would be far more damaging if were to be William or Kate as they have become the darlings of the royal family, especially Kate.

[Cha]

155. Thanks for that report, avebury

[Autumn]

148. She and Harry are intelligent people. How did they not consider this would happen

knowing how his father and grandparents treated his mother? His mother who was white and royalty before she married? FFS Princess Diana was denied a royal funeral and she was the mother of heirs to the throne.

That being said. Harry is more of a man that any man in that royal family will ever be

[LexVegas]

150. ...

[Amaryllis]

152. Do you have a link to the entire interview? I only find excerpts. Thanks.

[Dawson Leery]

153. This is one of the few cases where being a Republican is the right thing to do.

[BigDemVoter]

156. I didn't watch it. . . . And I very seriously doubt I will.

But why is anybody surprised? Seriously. . . . The royals, with few exceptions, are a bunch of entitled white people. They have had the public kissing their collective ass for centuries--picking up after them, cooking for them, driving them around, etc.

I am not shocked or surprised. In fact, had somebody asked me what Harry and Meghan were planning on revealing, I could have laid it out without even hearing them.

OF COURSE the royals are racist. Has nobody ever heard Prince Phillip's quips while traveling in Africa? The only one I might say is not racist would be Queen Elizabeth, but I could be dead wrong about her, too.

Aside from "continuity", I don't see how that family serves any purpose, whatsoever. If I were British, I would be clamoring to abolish the monarchy.

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

157. Its a soap opera, and a villain was needed, so, Markle The Outsider is the tabloid target

Stay out of Paris tunnels, that's my advice

The Monarchy will survive, the crown jewels go to the winner in the royal hierarchy line of secession, stay tuned.

[Sunsky]

158. Riveting

I hope their love will withstand the many challenges. I could not pick up my jaw from the floor throughout the interview. As a mental health professional and someone who has been through the pit of depression myself, I am so happy they got out of there and I hope Meg continues to ignore the tabloid trash. As a black woman who is of darker skin color than Meg, I look at Meghan and I'm shocked they'd comment on the child's skin color. Wow. I thought they'd at least try for Harry's sake.

[Budi]

159. K & R Thank You!