Morning JoeScum does exactly what I expected

[malaise]

Ignore the Relief Bill and opt for the fucking royals.
And we wonder why democracies are under threat.

[left-of-center2012]

1. Morning Joe Scum

If you don't like him,
why do you watch?

[amuse bouche]

77. Good question. I think Fox is scum. I don't watch

I try not to waste time on scum. Life is too short

Joe has some good guests, and his anti Republican rants are amusing

[treestar]

87. To find out what he's saying

And what a lot of other people are hearing.

I don't see why people don't see it is not obvious that just not liking what he said today means never watch him.

[BannonsLiver]

86. +1

The compulsion to lay around all day watching cable news by some here is just bizarre. I’m not saying that’s how the OP is but there are plenty of people here who do.

[Mike Nelson]

2. Ratings...

... not having a big segment on this would be tough for any morning chat show. Turn-offs could be brutal... also, a channel turner could really bond with a new team of hosts and guests.

[gab13by13]

10. No one gives a fart about the Royals,

People can't face the truth that cable news, but for a couple of shows is right wing. Cable news pushes the right wing narrative.

You can claim that it is all about ratings and honestly I believe that too is a right wing narrative.

I never watch morning cable news. I watched the daily press briefings but it appears that Mrs. Greenspan and Mr. Toad were upset that their right wing spots were getting pre-empted. I watch Nicolle, Hayes, and Rachel.

[oldsoftie]

14. Maybe WE dont, but wait & see the ratings that nonsense got.

Ratings kept the Kardashians on tv for 20 yrs. They certainly added NOTHING to society.

[SoonerPride]

21. Sadly you are wrong. The ratings are through the roof.

Millions of people care.

Why?

I have no idea.


But they do.

[brooklynite]

24. So the poll here on DU about the Royals is a right wing plot? How insidious!

[amuse bouche]

44. You are wrong. Plenty are interested

Harry and Meghan exposing the up close bigotry is a good thing

[treestar]

88. But they do

Maybe on DU we don't, but a lot of people do.

There's this mysterious rage against Meghan Markle from some group in the masses; she is controversial and controversy sells.

[dem4decades]

3. He's competing with Oprah on Gail this morning. How can he report on it?

I doubt he stayed up and watched.

[pnwmom]

4. The issue of racial bias behind Meghan's treatment is important. When they were first married

I thought she had been genuinely accepted by his family, in sharp contrast to the increasingly blatant racism in our own country.

I was wrong. England has the same problems we do.

[HipChick]

6. England has worst problems..Windrush...Stephen Lawerence...

Just to name a few...

[malaise]

28. We know but many don't care

[amuse bouche]

39. Well I care. Glad I watched it

Politics 24/7 is too much for me

[malaise]

47. I love some game shows, all food channels

and movies but I love politics. I also hate all royals.

[amuse bouche]

51. Good for you. We are not all the same. I thank the universe for that

I am interested in all sorts of subjects, including foreign ones

[malaise]

53. Love foreign subjects - I am foreigner

[amuse bouche]

64. Whoop dee do

[JohnSJ]

11. +++

[wnylib]

17. Those white colonists who brought

enslaved people to America were British, and they bought those people from British slaveships. Racsm is not new to the UK. The people living in former British colonies in Asia, the Middle East, Caribbean, and Africa could verify that.

[malaise]

48. and everyone is shocked that they are still racist

[wnylib]

55. Imagine that!

Seems that the US inherited more than similarity of language from the Brits.

[malaise]

56. You ain't see anything yet

The former island colonies are just as bad or worse

[wnylib]

63. I have no doubt of that.

[malaise]

65. Some of them still want British titles

[wnylib]

67. O.M.G!

[pnwmom]

58. When we were going through our own backlash to Obama,

in the form of Trump, it appeared to me that they were doing better in England. She herself said that she had felt welcomed by his family, initially.

So it's not shocked so much as disappointed. I had thought that if they had progressed that far, maybe there was some hope for us, too.

[malaise]

61. My dad's youngest sister was very involved in Windrush

matters - Britain is racist to the core. The Brits are way better at form but the content is the content

[wnylib]

95. Good description. They have a

"proper form" for racism to appear to be non racist, while Americans are more direct and, in the British perspective, more gauche about it. We lack the proper P's and Q's of racism.

[malaise]

98. You nailed it

[treestar]

89. The UK is not as diverse either

US is about 60% white, Britain 80%. We can see from Brexit they still have their biases.

[wnylib]

96. I think the UK is more diverse than that.

There are people from former colonies living there - India, Pakistan, Palestine, Caribbean, Africa, Singapore, etc.

[treestar]

100. Yes, but only 20% of the population

Their rural areas are like ours, very conservative.

But without a body like the Senate, they don't rule in the same way, thus they have health care. But they still have racism maybe worse; other biases too; one Brexit article said they did not like have so many Poles as had come to the UK as part of the EU.

And thus likely to be quite biased about a 1/black and 2/American woman marrying into the royal family.

[Dream Girl]

29. I was shocking.

[malaise]

30. More important than let's say

Windrush?

[pnwmom]

60. Why can't they both be discussed? nt

[Siwsan]

5. I immediately flipped channels

I guess I've suffered enough loss and grief, over the past 5 or so years, to have very little energy left for listening to entitled people whining about their hurt feelings.

I suggest they move the hell on with their comfy lives, and leave it to others to move on with their own.

[HipChick]

8. It's a bigger problem than hurt feelings...it's a reflection of the

the racism there....the amount of black males that died under police custody

[Siwsan]

9. I didn't watch, so I don't know what they talked about. I'm referring to them, in general

I saw a quick blurb that Meghan said they wouldn't make their son, Archie, a prince because they didn't know how dark he'd get. If they've left all involvement with the "family business" behind, why the hell would they want their son to be titled as a prince, in the first place?

They should just drop any pretense to nobility and become Mr. And Ms Markle Mountbatten, or some combination there of. I have no doubt they are capable of doing a lot of good with their foundation, IF they can move on and focus on running it.

I have a bad feeling that, down the road, Harry is going to regret a lot of what is going on, now. Not for the loss of royal connections and perks, but because of the estrangement from his family. I can't help but notice that Meghan is already estranged from everyone but her mother, in her family, and now that same pattern has moved on to her in-laws.

I'm, at best, giving this a 50/50 'at fault' scenario. And, I'll likely not give it another thought.

[HipChick]

12. They did the same thing to Diana

Charles pulled security for Prince Harry....hoping he'd meet the same fate?
Meanwhile his pedophile brother Andrew enjoys his white privilege

[Siwsan]

25. I seriously doubt it

I've studied and read about the Royals my entire life - all SORTS of authors with ALL SORTS of takes on them so I'm taking a mid-way location for my opinion.

Although full disclosure, I was no fan of Princess Diana, but not in a 'mean' way. I saw her as a very damaged individual who found herself in a situation she was not at all emotionally capable of handling. It's a shame her family seemed to put having a royal in the family more important than their daughter's welfare, IMHO

Charles was a dog - no doubt. She wasn't much better, again, IMHO. It was an 'arranged marriage' that never should have happened.

[HipChick]

62. Studied? I lived it..

Born and raised in the UK

Meghan ripped the scab off racism in UK

Charles has had several cases of his employees bringing racial discrimination suits against him...


The public tide turned against the Royal Family the way they responded to Diana's death...they had to do an about face..

[malaise]

49. Meanwhile his pedophile brother Andrew enjoys his white privilege

THIS

[HipChick]

66. Huge double standards...

The Queen enabled Charles with affair with Camilla

and she enabled the pedophile brother Andrew...

[pnwmom]

13. You got it backwards. The reason they left it all behind was because of the way their son

and Meghan were being treated. Of course they were upset that the reason he was singled out as the only grandchild not to be titled was because of his race. But the key factor was that he was also the only one who would be denied security, even though they were getting threats.

Security was only for people they had decided would be titled.

Meghan is estranged from her father for a very good reason. He's obviously a malignant narcissist. I'm not saying this based on anything she's ever said -- just on his blatant narcissistic behavior, which we should all be able to recognize by now, after 5 years of Trump in the public eye. So Meghan is smart to stay away from him, and her equally dysfunctional half sister. Her Black mother appears to be the only healthy person in her immediate family.

[Siwsan]

22. When I see patterns, I stop and think

None of us but the people involved know the real family dynamics. I'm sure there are issues, all around.

And they are wealthy enough to afford their own security. They just need to cut the ties and deal with the ramifications, should they occur.

[pnwmom]

68. We ALL know what her father did in public, and that is plenty enough to judge him by.

And they are paying for their own security and everything now. And they have cut ties.

[Siwsan]

71. I don't know that much about the father, except he lives in Mexico and doesn't look healthy

Physically or emotionally.

I had a wonderful father - he was the supportive parent who always had my back, and he loved me unconditionally. I always feel sad for people who lack that kind of paternal experience. It looked like she had it, for a while, but then something happened. Not sure which side instigated that change in dynamics, but it's sad, either way.

[pnwmom]

92. A lot of narcissists can look like they'r'e doing a good job while their children are young

because their aim is to impress other people -- as long as their children look up to them.

But as soon as a child starts to question the narcissists perfection, that's it.

[Siwsan]

93. None of us really know. Which is fine, because it's really none of our business.

I just hope they find their footing and go on to do much good with their foundation.

[pnwmom]

94. Just like Trump, we know everything that man said in public. Me, me, me,

and more me.

Normal parents aren't like that.

[Siwsan]

97. The whole scenario is unfortunate. Hopefully they can now move on.

It's unfortunate that all of is happening at the same time the Queen's 99 year old husband is in hospital.

And while I could read up on Meghan's father, but to be honest, I won't. I have enough issues of my own to deal with.

Again, I wish them well.

[wnylib]

19. Maybe it's the common experience of

having a dysfunctional family that drew them together.

[Siwsan]

23. That very well could be

I just think if they want to cut ties with his family, then DO IT and move on with their lives. Hopefully they will be able to make changes and do a lot of good with their foundation.

[wnylib]

32. Their experience must have been emotionally

traumatizing. Takes time to get to a point of moving past that. Talking about it is probably part of the process. They might be seeking validation for their experience in being able to openly tell their side. They just need to beware of getting trapped in that phase, which can lead to back and forth recriminations that get in the way of moving on.

[Siwsan]

42. I guess I don't see the need for anyone to be openly telling their sides on such personal issues

From the little I've read, they seem more intend on being vengeful than informational. If Harry is happier, now, he should be celebrating. He was part two of 'An Heir and a Spare' and now he's so far down the line to the throne it should be easy to cut ties to anything even close to the nobility, become Mr. Harry Mountbattan, and start doing things the way he believes they should be done.

People are free to disagree. Life goes on.

[wnylib]

59. Cutting all ties with one's family

can't be easy, no matter hoe dysfunctional they are. I think it's the emotional part that troubles them more than the line of succession.

[Siwsan]

69. I have no idea but I do know this........

I'm now relegating this kind of 'personal' story about them into the same mental file where I've put ANYTHING relating to the Kardashians and Jenners.

I do remain interested in seeing what they do with their foundation, and wish them the best of success with that and other similar endeavors. And I wish them the best for the upcoming birth of their second child. I get the feeling that Meghan's mother is a pretty dynamic mom/grandma, and that's a real bonus.

[wnylib]

70. Our gain, Britain's loss.

[Siwsan]

72. Only time will tell.

There are plenty enough younger royals around to move up, taken over the charities and take on the work.

I just wonder if Harry will return to England when his grandfather dies. I have a gut feeling that might be happening sooner, rather than later. (I'm beginning to think the Queen might outlive me.)

[wnylib]

73. What is it with British queens?

Elizabeth I, Victoria, and now Elizabeth II. Guess they take "Long live the queen" quite literally.

[Siwsan]

75. True!!

I'm a big fan of the two Elizabeths, and have always found Victoria to be fascinating. Let's face it - the reigns of all of the other Queens have paled in comparison. Same can be said of many of the Kings, too.

[treestar]

90. If they want to cut out the royalty

that should not mean they must cut family ties. It seems the royal family is at fault with that.

They are not used to adult children choosing their live or moving away. But that happens very often to regular families. Maybe they should try it.

[luvtheGWN]

38. I believe they have done so!

Interview with Oprah was their opportunity to clear the air, set the record straight, tell their side of the story. And I daresay if any of us had been in their position, we would have wanted an interview with Oprah too.

Britain's royal family is an anachronism; it exists only at the mercy of the British populace, and Britain keeps it because of the massive tourist dollars it brings in each year. When the Queen talks about "duty", she means she and the family must "perform" and keep the populace happy -- otherwise they're out the door, along with their billions. And just as the Catholic Church could divest itself of all its wealth to help the poor living in the slums in Catholic countries, so could the Queen's riches, palaces, estates, precious artwork etc. wipe out the slums of the poorest Commonwealth countries she is so proud of.

As a Canadian who sees the Queen's face on every $20 bill as she is our Head of State (with no real powers), I can safely say that the brits should have followed France's example and had their own revolution....

[Siwsan]

43. I hardly think we've arrived at the end of this Prince's tale of woe

Although I hope so.

[eShirl]

57. they did, once...

" the brits should have followed France's example and had their own revolution...."

[wnylib]

76. Well, they did have their own revolution,

more than once, just not as bloody as France's.

I suspect it was the trial and beheading of Charles I that convinced them to keep the populace happy.

[malaise]

31. Left for my morning walk

[amuse bouche]

81. "Left for my morning walk" So you were wrong about...

"Morning JoeScum does exactly what I expected. Ignore the Relief Bill and opt for the fucking royals."

[malaise]

84. What?

I left after that - In my opinion, the Relief Bill was the number one story.

[amuse bouche]

85. So the problem wasn't that he didn't cover it. He didn't cover it in your preferred order

Go it

[GB_RN]

7. He's Covering It Now

Big time.

[PJMcK]

15. I don't get it, either

The British royal family contributes nothing to the world. They are lazy, pampered prigs who suck money out of the english economy.

Yes, there are far more important news stories than whether or not Harry and Megan get to sleep at Buckingham Palace. Who gives a shit?

Hey, England! How's Brexit working out for you? How about your country's handling of the pandemic? Don't you have more pressing issues than palace intrigue?

That family is pathetic. Fuck 'em.

[malaise]

33. +1,000

[panader0]

16. I have never watched Joe--he and Mika rub me wrong.

And I think the idea of "Royals" is long overdue to be eliminated. Even back in days of yore they were wrong.
Kudos to Harry and Meghan for getting out.
I am discovering that the relief bill has many beneficial things in it that I didn't know about.
Good for Joe, the Democrats and the common folk.

[Celerity]

20. I hold triple citizenship (UK, US, Swedish) so I have two sets of royals and I so wish we would

fucking toss it all in the bin!!!

Fuck if I will ever submit to fucking king or queen just because of their goddamn birth.

[wnylib]

34. How did you manage to accumulate

3 citizenships?

[Celerity]

46. Bajan/UK mum, Swedish father, & I was born in Los Angeles, CA, grew up in West London, now live in

Stockholm.

[wnylib]

52. A lot of people have varied

backgrounds, but not the rights of citizenship to go with it. Must be interesting.

[Celerity]

74. I know more than a few people with tripartite citizenship. I also am the only US citizen

in my immediate family. My wife has UK and Swedish only, she is not eligible for American citizenship.

[panader0]

54. Oops, you meant to ask Celerity. I have only one.

[malaise]

35. Brava

[treestar]

91. Even if they dropped it, they'd be rich anyway

And get attention like the Kardashians.

[malaise]

50. I watch the first hour during DST but only the opening

when we have the same time - walking in the morning is #1. Yes for getting out but she should have known what was coming.

[ebbie15644]

18. I dvr it and skipped that part

[dmr]

26. He covered it, extensively, I thought.

He covered the Royals first. Idk, I guess that story is considered big news. I'm not 'into' the Royals, though I do wish Meghan and Harry the best.

I would have preferred hearing about the Relief Bill first, but Joe did cover it and said good things about it.

[malaise]

36. I turned it off and headed for the orning walk

which was lovely

[dmr]

99. That sounds better than watching Morning Joe on TV

[Dream Girl]

27. I haven't watch it yet, but I definitely will. I definitely will. I found that interview amazing.

I usually don’t go on Twitter, but Black Twitter was on fire! The racism she experienced seem so, so familiar. I went through that kind of backstabbing and sabbaths during my corporate career. It’s an incisions racial that blacks can never escape no matter your achievements or status. Just ask Obama. It was put on display for the whole fucking world. Meghan is about to become an icon.

[RAB910]

37. I tuned in on my ride to work (Sirius Radio) and he was covering the Covid Bill

In a positive way and talking about the historic victory for Biden and the Democrats

[lagomorph777]

41. CNN is wasting a ton of airtime on that gossip too.

I turned off the "news" in disgust.

[amuse bouche]

78. Bigotry that affects lives is not 'gossip'

It needs to be exposed. The perps need to be called out

[lagomorph777]

79. The "Royal" family is a revenue stream that generates gossip for a living.

I feel sorry for the UK, being saddled with this costly relic of feudalism.

I can't understand why they don't cut off their allowances and let 'em get real jobs.

[amuse bouche]

80. Ignoring bigotry because one hates 'the Royals' doesn't solve the problem, it excuses it

"I can't understand why they don't cut off their allowances and let 'em get real jobs."

If you watched the interview, you would know that question is moot

[lagomorph777]

83. ?? That makes no sense.

You are looking at one instance of racism inside the family.
I am saying the whole thing is a racist enterprise; it should be abolished.
How do think I am "excusing" racism?

[quickesst]

45. The interview....

.... will probably be the lead off story for a lot of news shows that air today. So what? Did anyone watch beyond the interview where Joe Scarborough and his panel praised Joe Biden and the Democrats for their landmark legislation, and literally eviscerated the republican party for their opposition to it? Scarborough haters may have watched it, but the one thing they won't do is mention it. Can't have anything positive about Joe Scarborough get in the way of petty hatred which we all know Democrats are famous for because it puts us in such a positive light.

[grantcart]

82. I am looking forward to hearing what they have to say about it

Because I don't intend to see any other coverage and it is igniting a lot of discussion.

If the program does exactly what you expect, and you hate it it, why in the world would you watch it?

I listen to it on the recorded podcast during my walk and when there is a segment that irritates me I fast forward, problem solved.