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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI can't let this go, Joe Scarborough is a no good lying asshole.
Sometime after 7 Joe was talking about the American Rescue Plan and just had to get a republican
talking point/dig against President Obama because he said this, "The Affordable Care Act was so bad
that it created the Tea Party movement." No the Tea Party movement was no organic grass roots
movement but was built starting in 2007 by a republican who had been working for republicans
such as Ronald Reagan when he was running for President in 1980. The Tea Party was started before
Barack Obama won the presidency because it was clear that bush/Cheney and their Iraqi war, failed
response to Katrina, and that we were looking @ another Great Depression because of republican
economic policies made the chances of a Republican winning in 2008 slim. The Tea Party Movement
was a phony grass roots movement funded by the Koch Brothers/American for Prosperity although once
it was publicly launched in 2009 it however took advantage of the deep set racism of many Americans
and how much they were pissed off that a black man was President and later on Fox News/hate talk radio
used these racist people's feelings about a black man being President to channel their anger against the A.C.A..
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)One word. Paragraphs.
Botany
(70,489 posts)I heard Joe Scum earlier this AM and my craw was filled for a few hours.
Black Footed Ferret reintroduction sites.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)Volaris
(10,270 posts)I'm glad their wild cousins are getting a fair shake!
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)I guess you didn't see my emoji indicating humor.
CaptainTruth
(6,588 posts)Seriously, that's how I've been interpreting it all along.
I'm not an emoji expert.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)email Joe and let him have it.
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)email Joe and let him have it.
Cha
(297,137 posts)I can't handle reading something all crammed together like that.
I got that Scar is a Lying POS, though.. and Rec it.
Joe Scum
mopinko
(70,077 posts)in that moment, they knew that the dems who were about to rise would include people of color.
you could see that in the clinton admin. it wasnt a happy accident. it was baked in the cake.
Botany
(70,489 posts)ancianita
(36,023 posts)Response to ancianita (Reply #22)
certainot This message was self-deleted by its author.
certainot
(9,090 posts)piggybacking US talk radio since at least 2008 when limbaugh withheld his support for mccain until minutes after he picked palin. palin was being wooed by russian oil and gas and manafort, who was already doing work for putin was mccain's campaign cochair
the biggest common denominator for all the ignorant facsist bootlickers is talk radio but it never gets polled and writers and analysts analyzing 'movements' like the tea bags and trumpers live in cities and NEVER factor talk radio. sam nunberg worked for trump and said in 2014 that he "listened to 1000s of hours of talk radio" and sending reports to trump. were the russians also getting those reports? nunberg was a regular guest on msnbc and i doubt was ever asked anything about that.
armey and the kochs just organized them a bit and gave them bus tickets but the local motivation and calls and coordination for protests was happening on the local talk stations - which can't be done with fox. and then it got hijacked by the russians - that was probably an early use of social media by them. they had already started piggybacking talk radio through limbaugh and using breitbart to take over for the GOP establishment/ (real)deep state drudge report for feeding talk radio/fox.
the shit they were yelling in town halls and protests had already been repeated by limbaugh and sons many times. the trumers are the same and now that limbaugh is dead it's all going to fall apart - trumpism will die long before the next election. trump's got no chance without limmbaugh making excuses for him and leading all the other radio blowhards. the radio stations and ad industry cant replace him and central messaging is over. the country will go 10 pts left and and analysts will think its cyclic or maybe unicorns did it..... after losing 30 years by ignoring talk radio
dems need to take advantage of it by speeding it up, using boycotts to force the ad industry to break up the monopoly so we don't keep getting teabags and trumpers fucking democracy up for the russians and kochs, obstructing biden
Botany
(70,489 posts).... because ever since then we have had the past 2.5 generations of Americans bathed in
misinformation 24/7. I remember in the fall of 2019 driving down to W.V. and crossing the
OH River and @ least 50% of the radio stations that I could get were either right wing and
or fundy Christian and I was hearing Sebastian Gorka. Gorka is an out and out Nazi loving
shit and I remember looking up and down the Ohio River valley and thinking how many men
and boys came from this area of America to fight Nazis in WW II but now a pro Trump Nazi
is filling the air of this region with his hate and lies.
The dittoheads, tea party patriots, proud boys, QAnon people, MAGA folk, and so on have had their
brains cooked by right wing/russian crap.
certainot
(9,090 posts)the replacements so far are crappy subs applying limbaugh cuts to current events
and a local talker was asking dittoheads after the limbaugh show if it was time to move on yet and some were ready and others were pissed he asked that question - i'll bet it's happening all over the country. they're all going to want different replacements and the ad industry and stations won't be able to ask the same rates.
that GOP central messaging is over and the dem party, DNC, etc ought to help it fall apart
Volaris
(10,270 posts)Was the election of the total opposite of what they thought Obama represented.
They KNOW he was a decent human being who happened to also be black (and managed to not fuck up the job).So their whiplash, go-to, vengance action, was to elect about the shittiest White Man they could possibly find.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)bluemaxx
(8 posts)I think a good portion of the blame goes to Newt G. A prototype ass wipe.
brewens
(13,573 posts)players quickly jumped in to coopt it. At first they were all fired up about the TARP bailouts. It really could have ended up with a march on Wall Street if they hadn't done something. Before long, we had FOX "News" hosts promoting and appearing at their rallies.
My ex told me about Freedomworks. I went to their web site and saw the chairman was Dick freakin' Armey! That was all I needed to see. I thought it was hilarious that they had to pay him 7 million to go away. I'd love to see some of the Freedomworks donors explain just what Dick did for them to earn that dough.
Ford_Prefect
(7,886 posts)by Armey and other less visible neo-cons who had a post-W plan to use working class whites to build a party of resistance. They took the racist anger they had built up in response to 9/11 and Iraq and provided a focus to legitimize it in the eyes of the press.
That anger was the same stuff they'd targeted against Bill and Hilary to enable the appearance of a victory over Democrats in 2000.
It was the same racist snake-oil they'd been pushing since the Cold War neatly packaged under a new label that was so toxic even Karl Rove wouldn't sign up.
It was the same toxic shit that Donald tweeted 24/7 over the last 5 years.
It hasn't been grass roots since before Henry Ford and Thomas Edison used the lies and dog whistles to assert the international Jewish banker conspiracy to fight the labor union movement.
Tea Party was a new name for the same old dogma to fool the press, the public, and Democrats into thinking something new and native to our culture was in play. They always pretend it was that way, just as they insist America was always a formed to be a Christian nation, which is another myth they've pedaled since the 1950's cold war. You should see the propaganda and films they made.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Gidney N Cloyd
(19,833 posts)dalton99a
(81,450 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,128 posts)They surely measure public response in the aggregate, and if they're perceived as lying, they will adjust a little.
llashram
(6,265 posts)been a white supremacist mole posing as a Democrat.
Botany
(70,489 posts)His new liberal/moderate stances are just an act.
Evolve Dammit
(16,723 posts)FakeNoose
(32,630 posts)It's just that over the last 3.5 years he has become mildly>then>virulently anti-Trump.
But we somehow seem to forget he was never FOR any our stuff.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)Roy Rolling
(6,911 posts)The Tea Party took advantage of CNBCs Rick Santelli on-air rant in March, 2009 about the 2009 economic rescue package.
Right-wingers jumped on the bandwagon, as they say, portraying themselves as tiny patriots fighting a gigantic, powerful government trying to take away their freedom to crash the economy any way they wish.
The victimization was palpable.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,324 posts)It was the bank bailouts and the horrific thought that regular (read:black) people would get their mortgage bailed out.
And yes, the sudden grassroots movement that came equipped with a fleet of $400,000 dollar RV busses and traveling music acts.
Helped along by the aptly named (Koch funded) Dick Army - who was also working as a banking lobbyist getting paid seven figure fees to make sure his client banks got their cut of the loot.
Sancho
(9,067 posts)Sprite
(77 posts)If the ACA is so bad, then why is it still the law of the land? Joe and Republicans just can't stand that this law happened under Obama.
Remember, he gave Trump a lot of air time during his campaign while Mica just sat there and giggled.
Cozmo
(1,402 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,324 posts)The guy talks like him and his 1990 Reagan worshiping repig pals werent the precursor to this nightmare we currently live in. Oh yeah, and he had a huge part in elevating trump.
Even I was smart enough to stop watching that clown because he is so full of shit.
Martin68
(22,791 posts)Don turned on him, as he always does.
PatrickforB
(14,570 posts)However, what he said there was a very lame talking point.
You are right the the Koch brothers co-opted the Tea Party movement, but that movement was also borne of fearmongering around the national debt. I don't know if you ever saw him, that kid with the funny sideburns that was supposedly the 'father' of the Tea Party, but he was the one trotted out to 'explain' the 'need' to balance the federal budget, erase the debt and so on.
The problem is, from a standpoint of practical economics, forcing a national government to balance its budget is, first of all, a recipe for disaster and massive suffering. We used to have that, before the New Deal. They were called panics, and basically people were thrown out of work and starved while the big-dogs on the stock exchanges sold short and got richer. The biggest panic, of course, was the Great Depression.
Taking a book from the page of Keynes, the government must be the spender of last resort. If the economy contracts, and the government does not spend through social safety nets, demand for goods and services drops precipitously, and it creates a vicious cycle of job loss - drop in demand - more job loss - greater drop in demand, and so on until you have a full-fledged depression.
As to the debt, even Cheney said it didn't matter. Or more precisely, he said the deficit didn't matter. But the deficit adds to the debt. So what can be done? Some of you have read posts I have written about getting rid of the Fed. It is a bit more complicated than that, but basically, several of the colonies, before they became the United States, printed their own fiat currency, and Lincoln financed the Civil War with 'greenbacks,' a fiat currency. They were legal tender by law, but were not backed by gold or silver, only the credibility of the U.S. government.
That, folks, is what we have now. Our currency is only worth its face value because we all agree on it. No other reason, and it is backed only by our government's 'full faith and credit.' Now, in the day of Lincoln, when the government wanted to fund something, it would issue enough greenbacks to do the job, and they would go into circulation as the government paid for the project.
That is not how it works now.
Now, when the government spends in the red, it finances that through Treasury bonds and other types of securities, a substantial number of which are owned by foreign countries. Of the $28 trillion national debt, foreign interests own a significant portion of it. These countries include China ($1.3 trillion), Japan ($1.2 trillion) and Brazil ($262 billion), the three countries that currently hold the most U.S. debt. Treasury also groups foreign holders of national debt by oil exporting nations (including Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Ecuador, Nigeria and others, $297 billion) and Caribbean banking centers (Bermuda, Cayman Islands, and others, $293 billion). The rest of the debt is owned by US citizens either individually, or through institutional investments.
So that is what it is. The question I have always asked, and it is a rational one, is why, if the national debt is basically money we say we owe to ourselves, then why are we paying it back with interest? Would it not be better to increase the currency levels to reduce the debt, pay for projects that actually help the American people, and get rid of this concept of scarcity?
Just asking...and believe me, I do know the various responses to this position quite well. I have even been called crazy, as have others who have pointed this out. But that doesn't make the question ring any less true, or negate the actual history of what Lincoln, and before him the various American colonies did in terms of monetary and fiscal policy.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)The origin story is well known, and he is nominally in the business of knowing things.
Jimvanhise
(301 posts)Republicans spent a year debating the ACA and demanding certain amendments, which Democrats gave in to. Then when it came up to a vote not a single Republican voted for it and they laughed because they had delayed the ACA for a year and watered it down. Chuck Schumer recently talked about this and made it clear he'd never let the Republicans get away with that again which is why the whining of the Republicans was ignored so that the covid relief package could be passed without allowing Republicans to harm it any more than they already have.
Botany
(70,489 posts)1) Republicans were universally against the C-19 American Rescue Package because they
know it will work.
b) Chuck Schumer & President Biden learned their lessons as per McConnell and the GOP
senators w/Merrick Garland, the ACA, & Comey Barrett. Plus President Biden is fully aware
of McConnell's selling out of America because he knew in 2016 of Russia's influence in and
their rat fucking of our elections which put Trump into the White House.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)Which is probably an insult to weasels. Sorry.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,174 posts)Edwcraig
(290 posts)blog post on same
We are at an acute hinge point in history. The days are grave. The need for serious, focused, wise, creative conservative leadership is something close to an emergency. And who, in this time of peril, is the champion of the Right? A clown. What a waste.
Well Joe you know since your hero Ronald Reagan became President, there has not been any fiscal conservative anything going on. Reduce taxes for the rich and cut spending for the poor and needy. Bust the budget. Increase the deficit. So, you know it has nothing to do with being fiscally or in any other way conservative. What is it then? Well Joe you know what it is.
Even today, go to the WikiPedia link for the South Carolina Republican Party as they proudly recall the history the modern South Carolina.
On September 16, 1964, Senator Strom Thurmond announced to a statewide television audience that he had switched parties from the Democrats to the Republicans, saying the Democratic "party of our fathers is dead."[7] He said it had "forsaken the people to become the party of minority groups, power-hungry union leaders, political bosses, and businessmen looking for government contracts and favors".[8] The Voting Rights Act of 1965 was passed the following year, restoring the ability of minorities to vote through federal oversight of registration and electoral processes. Most African Americans affiliated with the national Democratic Party, which had supported their struggle. While __________________________ South Carolina and other southern states gradually shifted from the Democratic to the Republican Party.
Notice I left words blank. Based on the proud pronouncement of this group of citizens who were in opposition to, of all things, the Voting Rights Act, and who became the modern-day SC Republican Party - what could those words be? Is it, good people of? constitutionalists of? states rights advocates of? It is conservatives in. The words should have been racists in. But they could not use those words. You know, cannot tell the truth here. So, use the word that has before, was then and is today the mask word for RACISTS. CONSERVATIVES.
There was no ambiguity about what the Republican Party and Democratic Party stood for in the South when one chose which Party to join. Even the Grand Old Party of Everett Dirksen, John D. Rockefeller, Barry Goldwater and Dwight Eisenhower, knew who these evil people were.
And Nixon knew he could win in 1968, using these new Republicans. His Southern Strategy was a deal with the devil. He could use them, and he thought they could be controlled. And so, did Ronald Reagan, who added white evangelical Southern Christians to the fold. No Republican President since Nixon would win the White House without the support of white, southern, racists Republicans.
Joe Scarborough would say that he was innocent in joining a political Party that embraced conservative truth, justice and the American way. He acts surprised to learn, only now, that it was all about racism. But he knew, I when growing up in South Carolina knew, when making a political decision about which Party to join, which philosophy of government to embrace in the South, knew. It was then, and is now, a decision to support Republican racism or not.
By 2016, conservative Republicans, recharged by the election of a black man as President, vanquished the moderates in the Grand Old Party. The cancer had spread from white racists in the South, to white racists throughout the country. A Republican parade had formed, marching to the beat of the white racists. It was looking for a leader. It did not matter if that leader shot someone on 5th Avenue. They wanted a leader that would vanquish minorities. They were in ecstatic when he jumped in front of their parade and proclaimed.
When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. . . . and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists.
They were sold.
It was a Republican parade of racists. Racists and those who do not believe in government, because government since LBJ, helped minorities and those that need help. If you listen to Joe, you would think the conservative Grand Ole Party was hijacked by Donald Trump. The beautiful pristine, virtuous and conservative Republican Party was duped by a monster. Here is the thing. Donald Trump is a Republican. Over 85% of Republicans today APPROVE of the job he is doing. Sorry Joe. Trump is a Republican. The Republicans are Trump. And there never was a conservative Republican Party.
So, lets be frank. the problem here is not Trump. It is the Republican Party. The only way to make America - America again is to vanquish Joes Grand Ole Party from power at every level of government.
[link:http://democraticprinciples.blogspot.com/2019/08/joes-grand-old-party.html|