This is what makes me sick on Manchin's actions

[PA_jen]

https://www.wdtv.com/2021/03/08/gov-justice-criticizes-sen-manchin-during-covid-19-press-briefing/

BRIDGEPORT, W.Va (WDTV) - On Monday, during his press briefing, Gov. Jim Justice was asked about the $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief bill, which was passed by the U.S. Senate on Saturday. In his response, Gov. Justice said there’s a need for another stimulus package because the past stimulus packages have been “undersized.” The governor went on to criticize U.S. Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) who voted in support of the relief package.

Gov. Justice said in part, “Joe Manchin is supposed to be your representative, West Virginia. And you know what Joe Manchin is doing, he’s still trying to hit at me. That’s all there really is to it. When it really boils right down to it that’s all Joe Manchin is doing. He doesn’t care about you. He doesn’t care about the people in this state. Literally, Joe Manchin is selling his influence and making money. What he’s doing is hurting West Virginians.”
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Yes, I was upset at what Manchin did with cutting back who got the 1400.00 and min wage and unemployment change around because I know people ( NOT ME but cousins who are getting screwed and friends who are getting screwed.) But everyone want to say I'm full of shit.

This is what Manchin is and I see in late Breaking News he is planning to screw the infrastructure.

[lagomorph777]

1. He's too conservative for WV.

That's saying something.

[PA_jen]

3. But I am evil on this board for speaking out against him and calling out on things.

[lagomorph777]

5. I hear ya!

[PA_jen]

6. Thank ya.

[BlueTsunami2018]

2. What? The greatest Democrat of all time being criticized by a Republican?

How is it possible that such an incredible Democrat, a paragon of the Party, can be to the right of a Republican Governor in the reddest state in the union?

This has to be fake news.

😒

[CentralMass]

4. WV ranks 46th in poverty by state.

[Kaleva]

7. The people who got the full amount under Tump are getting it under this plan.

Your comment:

"Yes, I was upset at what Manchin did with cutting back who got the 1400.00 "

The cutoff for the full amount hasn't changed.

[PA_jen]

8. Really. My cousin and his family will not see it. They have a family

that could use full Stimulus People are going to get cut off.

your words: The cutoff for the full amount hasn't changed.

[Kaleva]

9. What is their income?

[Demsrule86]

15. This amounts to trolling this constant harping on Joe Manchin.

Going to have to use ignore I think...tired of it.

[empedocles]

19. Ignoring the crucial 50th vote to harp

[Kaleva]

22. Yes.

[PA_jen]

33. Can't log out for Dinner but here is some articles since all I do is lie

https://www.fox43.com/article/money/clogged-phone-lines-delayed-payments-what-is-the-pa-unemployment-office-doing-as-people-are-desperate-for-checks/521-17cf14c0-40de-4c1a-8ee0-f48580db59c4


https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/editorials/unemployment-compensation-pennsylvania-labor-and-industry-pandemic-food-stamps-20210308.html

https://www.ydr.com/story/news/2020/06/21/pennsylvania-unemployment-frustrated-residents-wait-months-payments/3233466001/

here are just some articles.

[PA_jen]

34. What trying to make and eat dinner.

My friend who has been unemployed for a good part of a year and had to go thru his savings and 401 k made any average of 75,600 3 years before Covid 19 struck.


My cousin and his family do have 2 incomes -well did. She was the "bread winner" average about $124,000 before covid. The family is surviving on savings and the husbands income which range around 24,000 before covid.

I do not have permission to speak about 2 other friends situation in detail but They are in the same situation.

From personal experience PA unemployment system is a joke. I was laid off 4 months before going back to work. Thankfully husband is able to work from home. It is just the 2 of us. We did the best we could.
I filed for unemployment went down to the unemployment office they check my filing told me everything filed correctly I needed to call Harrisburg. I could never get thru to Harrisburg. Luckily I was able to go back to work working from home as well BUT I've yet to see 1 unemployment check from last year.

BUT I'm just make shit up

[Kaleva]

45. So your friend didn't get the full amount last year like you claimed

As he was above the $75k cutoff for the full amount, earning $75.6k. But since he lost his job last year, he will get the full amount under Biden if he did his 2020 taxes.

And same with your cousins as the "breadwinner" made $124k, way above the cutoff for the full amount based on 2019 earnings. But it appears they will get the full amount under Biden based on their income for 2020 which is $24k.

Based on what you said, it appears your friend and cousins will get more under the Biden stimulus then they did last year when Trump was president.

Your comment fro mthe OP:

"From personal experience PA unemployment system is a joke. I was laid off 4 months before going back to work. Thankfully husband is able to work from home. It is just the 2 of us. We did the best we could.
I filed for unemployment went down to the unemployment office they check my filing told me everything filed correctly I needed to call Harrisburg. I could never get thru to Harrisburg. Luckily I was able to go back to work working from home as well BUT I've yet to see 1 unemployment check from last year."

Appears your real beef is with the PA unemployment system and not at all with Sen. Manchin.

Your comment below and not mine

"BUT I'm just make shit up"

[Kaleva]

11. If you don't know, I'm sure you could find out.

And if it had changed from when they got the full amount last year.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

12. They said they didn't receive any stimulus last year...

And had been unemployed for a year but wouldn't receive any this year. And they hadn't received any unemployment either because Pennsylvania isn't paying it out.

[Kaleva]

14. Are you related to Pa_jen and know her cousins?

[AZSkiffyGeek]

16. No, I saw the thread when she blamed Manchin for people not getting any stimulus

And I asked about her points and didn't receive an answer.

[Kaleva]

20. Ok. She's not backing up what she's saying then if I understand correctly.

[Demsrule86]

17. I have a friend in PA who is on unemployment so I don't understand this...if you are fired for

cause, you don't get unemployment.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

21. There are a lot of apocryphal stories going around...

People who received the full amount last year, but won't receive anything this year. People who received Trump's money, but won't receive Biden's money.

Yes, there are people who received SOME money last year who will receive less this year. But if you received $600, you'll recieve $1400, because it's based on the same formula.

[Kaleva]

23. +1

[drray23]

25. its based on the same cutoff not same tapering formula

Your statement is correct that if you qualified for full $600.00 you will qualify for full $1400.00 but there is no formula for that, its just a cutoff threshold. What they did change is the tapering off past that threshold making it drop much faster than previously. For example, the threshold for family filling jointly is $150,000 like last time. However, last time people making up to $200,000 would get a fraction of that. Now, it drops off such that if you are above $160,000 it goes to zero. The same thing is true for a single (threshold is $75,000 like before but tapers off to zero at $80,000)

[JI7]

49. The best was the one that has been unemployed and has nothing but made too much to get anything

[PA_jen]

36. see my answers above.

[PA_jen]

35. Answered you above

[drray23]

24. yes for the full amount cutoff has not changed.

However, the tapering off past that cutoff has been drastically sharpened. So somebody who was a bit above cutoff before may indeed get nothing this time after it tapers off.

[Kaleva]

29. For single filers with no dependents it has.

For those who file as head of household, the cap was reduced by $8k. From $120k down to $112k.

Also, dependents who are above the age of 17 and in college can now qualify as can adult dependents. They didn't under the previous stimulus packages.

[Celerity]

26. no, this is incorrect

my cousin's 2020 taxes were just accepted (she lives in Los Angeles) by the IRS

under the original formula and the formula passed by the House she would have gotten around 1150 usd out of the 1400, now she gets zero, as she made around 81K AGI (she had around 6K in taxable income increase versus 2019 due to some equity cash ins to pay bills)

she also just got her hours cut to only half-time (until the end of summer at least they told her) she is fuming.

the cutoff for getting nothing went from 100K down to 80K

the cutoff for the start of reductions in cheques starts at 75K (Manchin wanted it to be only 50K but caved in) but the cheques are zeroed out at only 5K more, not 25K more. (80K versus 100K)

17 million people (12 million adults, 5 million children) who got two cheques under that POS Rump get nothing under us

Link to tweet

Biden limits eligibility for stimulus payments under pressure from moderate Senate Democrats

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/03/03/biden-limits-eligibility-stimulus-payments-under-pressure-moderate-senate-democrats/

[Kaleva]

30. the cutoff for the full amount remains at $75k . That hasn't changed.

The OP was claiming that her cousins who got the full amount before will not get anything now under Biden's plan. The only way that could happen is if their income went from $75k or less in 2019 to $80k or over in 2020.

Those who qualified for the full amount last time will get it again if their income hasn't gone above the cutoff for the full amount which remains $75 for single filers. My wife and I combined aren't even half that.

[Celerity]

32. yes, the full amount (I thought the poster said any amount, sorry) cut-off is still 75K, but the

cutoff for getting nothing was drastically lowered to the point that 17 million people who got the full amount or partial amounts under Rump now get zero. All that just to save 0.6% of the costs. That is less than what just six B-2 Spirit Stealth Bombers cost.

At least Manchin did not get his way and the full amount cap lowered to only 50K. That would have cut off tens of millions of more people.

Sorry for the confusion from my end.

[Kaleva]

46. Ok

Have a good evening!

[dsc]

39. your cousin can use 2019,2020, or 2021 income

from what I read of your post, 2019 should work for your cousin.

[Celerity]

47. 2021 income is not able to be filed for around 10 months from now

She had to file her 2020 taxes now, for her own personal financial reasons.

I doubt they do it, but I am all in favour of the IRS clawing back monies from people who gamed the system by refusing to file their 2020 income tax and knowingly using their 2019 income still, IF it means they should not get a check now based off their 2020 income. To me, that is clear fraud.

[Irish_Dem]

10. "Manchin is selling his influence and making money." What does the Gov mean by that?

Specifically what is the accusation?

[Demsrule86]

18. He is a GOP now...trying to trash Manchin I imagine.

[Demsrule86]

13. Leave Manchn alone...you don't even live in WVA...I would say that your Repbulican Senator

in PA...is your concern and getting a Democrat elected to PA. We need Joe for a majority and the bill passed is a good one...seriously stirring the pot here for no good reason.

[Celerity]

31. Not living in the states of of certain Dem Senators and House Reps never stopped you and many others

from having a go at them many times before, so that is a curious standard for you to use to try and hold another poster to.

[PA_jen]

37. No BUT his actions effect the rest of the country and My senator is

Bob Casey (D)

[blue neen]

40. Your senator is also Pat Toomey (R).

He voted against the stimulus package altogether. If it was up to him, no one, including you and your cousins, would have received anything. Zero, zip, nada.

I haven't seen any posts from you complaining about Toomey.

[PA_jen]

41. I voted against him every time. I'm not a Republican I know that scum doesn't

work for anyone but their own pockets. Now if Toomey was a Democrat and pulling this same shit I would be at his office lodging a complaint.

You are deflecting the true issue. Manchin put that bill in danger and watered it down.

[blue neen]

43. I am deflecting the true issue?

You just admitted that you only complain about Democrats.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

44. Sshh... Don't want to get in the way of a good "Dems suck" rant nt

[JI7]

48. But he is your Senator

[Me.]

27. I've Seen Gov. JUstice Several Times Now

he is also in favor of keeping masks on for the time being. And I bet he could use some infrastructure help. Why doesn't Biden do an end run about Manchin and get JUstice's support> That might make Manchin think twice. As a bonus, that would make it bipartisan.

[Hoyt]

28. Thank dog we don't have Senate MAJORITY Leader McConnell.

[PA_jen]

38. Well you thank your Dog I will pray to that Goddess that those who

get screw from this deal get the help this Stimulus doesn't give them.

[Hoyt]

42. I worry most about unemployed and the bottom 30% or so. I think

that group has been considered in this legislation. If more is needed, it will happen as well.