Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:14 AM
Magoo48 (3,871 posts)
Really "Liberals"? "Lock em' up, lock em' up, lock em up".
When did we adopt this conservative/authoritarian/Republican chant? It never has set right with me. It seems to have begun its crossover when the right hurled it incessantly at Hillary. Is this who we are?
Justice is absolutely essential. Yet, look at where “lock em’ up” is a crippling, social injustice. I’m offering no solutions other than a deeper look into modern, progressive approaches to crime and punishment like those practiced in some Scandinavian nations. That said, “lock em up” sounds wrong coming from liberals.
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Magoo48 | Mar 2021 | OP |
TwilightZone | Mar 2021 | #1 | |
Ferrets are Cool | Mar 2021 | #9 | |
lagomorph777 | Mar 2021 | #20 | |
Laelth | Mar 2021 | #2 | |
ProfessorGAC | Mar 2021 | #3 | |
Chainfire | Mar 2021 | #11 | |
Treefrog | Mar 2021 | #4 | |
marble falls | Mar 2021 | #5 | |
greenjar_01 | Mar 2021 | #7 | |
PatSeg | Mar 2021 | #21 | |
Johnny2X2X | Mar 2021 | #6 | |
Rhiannon12866 | Mar 2021 | #8 | |
Elessar Zappa | Mar 2021 | #10 | |
Magoo48 | Mar 2021 | #24 | |
kcr | Mar 2021 | #12 | |
Hortensis | Mar 2021 | #13 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Mar 2021 | #14 | |
Paladin | Mar 2021 | #15 | |
Magoo48 | Mar 2021 | #25 | |
kcr | Mar 2021 | #27 | |
Magoo48 | Mar 2021 | #28 | |
BlueStater | Mar 2021 | #16 | |
Magoo48 | Mar 2021 | #26 | |
Squinch | Mar 2021 | #17 | |
comradebillyboy | Mar 2021 | #18 | |
BradAllison | Mar 2021 | #19 | |
Magoo48 | Mar 2021 | #22 | |
we can do it | Mar 2021 | #23 | |
UpInArms | Mar 2021 | #29 |
Response to Magoo48 (Original post)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:21 AM
TwilightZone (21,589 posts)
1. From the left, at least it's generally applied to appropriate situations.
Wanting to lock up Trump for myriad legitimate legal violations, including inciting an insurrection, is a little different than wanting to lock Clinton up based on pizza-place conspiracy theories and wishful thinking.
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #1)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:45 AM
Ferrets are Cool (19,380 posts)
9. This
Response to TwilightZone (Reply #1)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 12:06 PM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
20. +1 This is not sloganeering. These people must be locked up, for the safety of the nation.
Today's Qpublican Party is, sadly, a target-rich environment.
Insurrection is top of mind; Trump and literally hundreds of Congressional Qpublicans have endorsed and likely physically aided and abetted it. DeJoy vandalized hundreds of millions of dollars worth of postal equipment, crippling our election and our economy. Stephen Miller and dozens in the Trump Administration have committed crimes against humanity. |
Response to Magoo48 (Original post)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:22 AM
Laelth (32,014 posts)
2. I haven't heard any liberals chanting lately.
But if we’re talking about “fomenting violent rebellion against the government of the United States,” I think “lock them up” is an appropriate response.
-Laelth |
Response to Magoo48 (Original post)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:22 AM
ProfessorGAC (57,745 posts)
3. Disagree
When the trumpets were chanting that, it was about people over what they imagined were criminals, with no basis in fact.
Around here, the preponderance of those posts are regarding people for whom there is evidence, moderate to incontrovertible, that crimes were indeed committed. You appear to be comparing thumbtacks to elephants. |
Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #3)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:51 AM
Chainfire (12,735 posts)
11. I disagree as well
But because it is satisfying to throw their shit back in their faces. It really pisses them off, and I find that very satisfying.
Yea, I know it is not right but sometimes being wrong just feels right. |
Response to Magoo48 (Original post)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:22 AM
Treefrog (4,170 posts)
4. Yes, and don't forget all the prison rape jokes. I've seen them here many times. Unfortunate.
Response to Treefrog (Reply #4)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:25 AM
marble falls (47,684 posts)
5. I push back on those jokes, we all should.
Response to Treefrog (Reply #4)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:33 AM
greenjar_01 (6,477 posts)
7. It's absolutely disgusting, though it has decreased significantly
Prison rape jokes are now routinely removed by juries, mainly due to the tireless work of people who simply won't abide them. Thanks to them. They used to be far more common here. The common tactic was to say "I'm just saying what happens, not what I want to happen." It was a cowardly and pathetic dodge.
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Response to Treefrog (Reply #4)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 12:16 PM
PatSeg (44,897 posts)
21. I don't like when Democrats imitate republicans'
ignorant behavior. In a perverse way, it often reinforces it. Of course, we should continue to demand justice, but that should be done within the system, through the appropriate channels. Yelling the same ignorant cries as the right sounds like a classic lynch mob.
I think that some on the right, take pleasure watching Democrats behave like them. "See! They aren't so holier-than-thou, are they?" It is a classic abuser's tactic to push people's buttons until they come down to the abuser's level. |
Response to Magoo48 (Original post)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:30 AM
Johnny2X2X (15,802 posts)
6. Libs chant it back at those who chanted it
It's not a chant in a vacuum, but rather usually reserved for public people who've chanted lock her up prominently. Roger Stone and Michael Flynn have been seen chanting, "Lock her up, lock her up!" Many times. So when they've been in court/arrested, "lock him up", is just throwing that back at them.
And as far as the Anti American insurrectionists, they are enemies of our democracy, I don't care about them. |
Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #6)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:34 AM
Rhiannon12866 (175,372 posts)
8. You're right, that's how it started. Pushback. *sigh*
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Response to Magoo48 (Original post)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:47 AM
Elessar Zappa (10,626 posts)
10. The people we want locked up
actually committed crimes. Nothing wrong with wanting justice.
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Response to Elessar Zappa (Reply #10)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 01:56 PM
Magoo48 (3,871 posts)
24. Justice is desirable as I said.
The phrase “lock em up” is simply repugnant, right-wing speak to me.
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Response to Magoo48 (Original post)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:53 AM
Hortensis (55,639 posts)
13. + a million. These are mean, anxious times, and meanness and
antagonism, and in some radicalization and hate, are spreading from the extremes to infect the middle. If some seem more like conservatives, it's not at all coincidence -- people typically react to threats by becoming more conservative emotionally.
We're unfortunately seeing more inappropriate acting out here. But then there aren't a whole lot of places to go for people who still support liberal goals even though they've become angry and frustrated with the constraints of liberal democratic principles and methods. The Democratic Party's where it happens. ![]() |
Response to Magoo48 (Original post)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:57 AM
WhiskeyGrinder (19,533 posts)
14. As a cop abolitionist and prison abolitionist, I agree.
Response to Magoo48 (Original post)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 11:09 AM
Paladin (26,563 posts)
15. Spare me the guilt trips.
Anybody I want to see locked up will get the full protection of a judicial trial, probably multiple trials. As a liberal on a liberal site, I shouldn't have to even mention this. And the sooner trump and his goons are behind bars, the happier I'll be---no apologies.
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Response to Paladin (Reply #15)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 01:59 PM
Magoo48 (3,871 posts)
25. No guilt trips, just posting my POV.
Response to Magoo48 (Reply #25)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 02:13 PM
kcr (15,243 posts)
27. No guilt trips? Only putting Liberal in quotes is all.
Response to kcr (Reply #27)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 02:17 PM
Magoo48 (3,871 posts)
28. I wrote to my satisfaction; read into it what you will.
Response to Magoo48 (Original post)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 11:17 AM
BlueStater (7,596 posts)
16. You can't guilt trip me.
Many of the assholes who stormed the Capitol and beat up cops were the same sort of people who chanted “LOCK HER UP!” for years and years.
Now they’re the ones being locked away for a long-ass time while the woman who was the target of their deranged hatred for so long will continue to enjoy all of life’s freedom. Yes, the irony is absolutely delicious and I am taking immense pleasure in savoring it. Sue me. |
Response to Magoo48 (Original post)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 11:28 AM
Squinch (47,292 posts)
17. Big difference: THEY broke the law and should be locked up.
Response to Magoo48 (Original post)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 11:57 AM
comradebillyboy (9,737 posts)
18. Regarding the insurrectionists: Lock them up and
throw away the key.
Lock every one of them up for a very long time. After a fair trial of course. |
Response to Magoo48 (Original post)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 12:01 PM
BradAllison (1,879 posts)
19. Sorry, i refuse to apologize (n/m)
Response to BradAllison (Reply #19)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 01:49 PM
Magoo48 (3,871 posts)
22. No apologies needed, just my 2 cents.
Response to Magoo48 (Original post)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 01:50 PM
we can do it (11,228 posts)
23. You're right. Lock him up.
Response to Magoo48 (Original post)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 02:19 PM
UpInArms (50,592 posts)
29. I sparingly use for only one
Michael Flynn
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