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kentuck

(111,069 posts)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:55 AM Mar 2021

The FBI has captured data from every phone call from in and around Capitol on January 6th.

I heard Lawrence O'Donnell mention this on his show last night.

They were able to get all the carriers to cooperate and they now have what could be a goldmine of information?

They have not only the data of calls from the insurrectionists but also the calls from Congressmen, Senators, and all their assistants.

I assume this would also include the White House?

(I suppose this could explain why Senator Hawley was so interested in asking Christopher Wray about phone data collection, when he was questioned the other day?)

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The FBI has captured data from every phone call from in and around Capitol on January 6th. (Original Post) kentuck Mar 2021 OP
Hoping this is not one the the gazillion things we hear about that makes us optimistic mucifer Mar 2021 #1
They don't have the contents of the calls, just the metadata. Ocelot II Mar 2021 #2
Thanks Ocelot! kentuck Mar 2021 #4
they will have actual text messages though....... getagrip_already Mar 2021 #5
Correct, in large noisy crowds it's mostly texts IronLionZion Mar 2021 #14
Now that's hopeful!! Although had to laugh because didn't Rudy drunk call Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2021 #21
yeah, rudy's generation is still using voice calling..... getagrip_already Mar 2021 #31
So he was trying to call Tuberville but called who? Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2021 #39
I don't recall.... getagrip_already Mar 2021 #40
Ok looked it up. He called Senator Mike Lee - Utah Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2021 #41
Not all of them though FreeState Mar 2021 #45
true, but in some cases all that takes is a subpoena (from apple anyway)...... getagrip_already Mar 2021 #48
And they have the timeline, and video, so, we'll know at what point in the attack connections lindysalsagal Mar 2021 #8
I bet the NSA has everything... comradebillyboy Mar 2021 #17
They dont FreeState Mar 2021 #46
Encrypted Apps Aren't Foolproof smb Mar 2021 #49
I hope they also have January 4th and 5th calls. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #3
Those dates are very important as well. Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #16
They also have calls in and out of the country as well . .. Iliyah Mar 2021 #6
HMMM! Botany Mar 2021 #7
Those pics would make such good "Wanted" posters. FailureToCommunicate Mar 2021 #25
LIKE DISLIKE DISLIKE DISLIKE DISLIKE nt Shermann Mar 2021 #42
And the Seditionists no longer have an Attorney General who will derail the FBI on their behalf Tom Rinaldo Mar 2021 #9
That is such a good point. And for me it's still unfolding, there is so much good Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2021 #22
CCTV? mezame Mar 2021 #10
of course.... getagrip_already Mar 2021 #18
Plenty. Did you not watch the House Impeachment presentation? Tommymac Mar 2021 #19
Hawley bucolic_frolic Mar 2021 #11
And perhaps setting the stage to proclaim harvesting phone calls is evil, etc. Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #20
Good! SheltieLover Mar 2021 #12
You can certainly use it to place them (excuse me, their phones) at the scene. Chainfire Mar 2021 #15
If Hawley was talking to a Proud boy who was inside the Capitol, I am reasonably sure Chainfire Mar 2021 #13
I LOVE THIS!!! Wow! Wow, wow, wow! liberalla Mar 2021 #23
My best evil grin. sarge43 Mar 2021 #24
Funny how Hawley was so concerned about that when I suspect Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2021 #26
Little Josh Haw Haw is trembling in his little hobnailed boots. Kid Berwyn Mar 2021 #27
And waving his tiny little fist Dream Girl Mar 2021 #30
What a small, small man. Kid Berwyn Mar 2021 #33
Mike Lee was alway pretty touchy about phone calls to his phone. Dream Girl Mar 2021 #28
Let's not forget Traildogbob Mar 2021 #29
Well that made me LOL renate Mar 2021 #34
Why is so much money and so many resources spent on National Security malaise Mar 2021 #32
Oh, I SO hope Josh Hawley is one of the very first to be swept up in the investigation of this data. BobTheSubgenius Mar 2021 #35
Hopefully they can tell if former guy was on the phone for the meeting on Jan. 5th. tikka Mar 2021 #36
My oh my, gab13by13 Mar 2021 #37
❤️ ✿❧🌿❧✿ ❤️ Lucinda Mar 2021 #38
Link? Shermann Mar 2021 #43
Have never trusted the FBI since zentrum Mar 2021 #44
"Who is this John Barron guy?" Blue Owl Mar 2021 #47

mucifer

(23,521 posts)
1. Hoping this is not one the the gazillion things we hear about that makes us optimistic
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:58 AM
Mar 2021

but then we never hear about it again...

Ocelot II

(115,658 posts)
2. They don't have the contents of the calls, just the metadata.
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:58 AM
Mar 2021

But that means they know who called whom and where they were. Some people should be nervous.

getagrip_already

(14,680 posts)
5. they will have actual text messages though.......
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:05 AM
Mar 2021

those are logged, though not their voice counterparts. They may have some though by other means.....

But really, who makes voice calls anymore? The texts may be the more valuable component.

IronLionZion

(45,404 posts)
14. Correct, in large noisy crowds it's mostly texts
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:35 AM
Mar 2021

because it's hard to hear, but also because voice calls are often dropped on busy cell networks but SMS can still get through.

getagrip_already

(14,680 posts)
31. yeah, rudy's generation is still using voice calling.....
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 12:08 PM
Mar 2021

Of course, his voice comes out of his arse so it appropriate he butt dials.

getagrip_already

(14,680 posts)
40. I don't recall....
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 04:55 PM
Mar 2021

but I do remember something to the effect that he couldn't reach tubby directly, and whoever he did reach handed the phone to tubby after a brief exchange. So hat call wasn't a butt dial as far as I know.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
41. Ok looked it up. He called Senator Mike Lee - Utah
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 05:06 PM
Mar 2021

Guess my only point was that he made the call and if he had them in contacts it wouldn't be close to Senator Tommy Tuberville of Alabama. Lol. Not important.. but evidently he's phoned the wrong person multiple times.

getagrip_already

(14,680 posts)
48. true, but in some cases all that takes is a subpoena (from apple anyway)......
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 10:46 AM
Mar 2021

I believe all messaging companies must preserve text messages, even those encrypted, for a set period of time.

And it's already been reported that the feds have submitted encrypted text messages into evidence...... So they have some methods available to them.

Plus messages have been hacked out of platforms like parlor and (I'm blanking on the name, but it was in the news in the past 2 days).

The feds haven't been sitting on their thumnbs in the face of apps offering secrecy. They have been actively undermining them so they can listen in, or can when they want to. Snowden alluded to some of it, but even he didn't know all of it.

lindysalsagal

(20,640 posts)
8. And they have the timeline, and video, so, we'll know at what point in the attack connections
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:14 AM
Mar 2021

were made. And there will be no wiggling out of it.

FreeState

(10,570 posts)
46. They dont
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 08:53 PM
Mar 2021

If people used encrypted app messaging they don’t have access to those - and lots of people use those systems.

smb

(3,471 posts)
49. Encrypted Apps Aren't Foolproof
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 11:30 AM
Mar 2021
Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes was in direct contact with rioters before and during Capitol breach, U.S. alleges

Prosecutors said they had recovered a chat called “DC OP: Jan 6 21” on the encrypted Signal messaging app that “shows that individuals, including those alleged to have conspired with [others], were actively planning to use force and violence.”


My guess is that the Feds were able to access the messages through one of two obvious routes:

1. One of the participants in the message thread flipped to save his own sorry ass and gave the Feds access to the messages on his device.

2. One of the participants in the message thread was a dumbass who left the encrypted app "open" all the time so he didn't need to enter a password every time he wanted to use it, which left the messages exposed to anyone with access to his phone.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
6. They also have calls in and out of the country as well . ..
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:06 AM
Mar 2021

So far as the content of the calls, if warranted, it can be obtained.

This was in fact an attempt to overthrow the government of the United States of America, and republicans can gaslight it all they want, but most people in America and the world do live in reality.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
9. And the Seditionists no longer have an Attorney General who will derail the FBI on their behalf
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:22 AM
Mar 2021

In terms of preserving our democracy, that is one of the most consequential changes that Biden's victory brought about. I think a whole lot of extremists grew lax knowing that Trump had their backs, and they believed their own wet dream that there was no way Trump wouldn't remain president for four more years, if not longer.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
22. That is such a good point. And for me it's still unfolding, there is so much good
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:57 AM
Mar 2021

out of having Biden elected. And so much good out of controlling all branches.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
19. Plenty. Did you not watch the House Impeachment presentation?
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:51 AM
Mar 2021

This is a criminal investigation - the evidence will not be made public until the trials start. Why give suspects advance notice of their impending doom?

bucolic_frolic

(43,115 posts)
11. Hawley
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:24 AM
Mar 2021

He's an educated guy so his questioning was puzzling, he surely couldn't have the idea that information wasn't collected and available. So in my mind he was either testing Wray to see if he was going to play ball, or he was alerting the participants who could make their choices based on that information.

Irish_Dem

(46,772 posts)
20. And perhaps setting the stage to proclaim harvesting phone calls is evil, etc.
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:53 AM
Mar 2021

When the you know what hits the fan on his own phone calls to the insurrectionists.

Chainfire

(17,519 posts)
15. You can certainly use it to place them (excuse me, their phones) at the scene.
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:36 AM
Mar 2021

There will probably be claims of a lot of stolen phones.

Note to self: "Self, if you ever go off on a felonious rampage, remove the battery from your phone first."

Chainfire

(17,519 posts)
13. If Hawley was talking to a Proud boy who was inside the Capitol, I am reasonably sure
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:33 AM
Mar 2021

it was about the weather.

liberalla

(9,234 posts)
23. I LOVE THIS!!! Wow! Wow, wow, wow!
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 11:12 AM
Mar 2021

The confirmation (unofficial) of this information is incredibly exciting.

Bounce bounce bounce !!!



Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
26. Funny how Hawley was so concerned about that when I suspect
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 11:49 AM
Mar 2021

he's not exactly a consumer or privacy protection guy about the rights of others.

Traildogbob

(8,706 posts)
29. Let's not forget
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 11:57 AM
Mar 2021

Matt Geatz. He has been railing about this all over. If you think his hair style was sticking straight up before..........😂😂😂😂😂

malaise

(268,846 posts)
32. Why is so much money and so many resources spent on National Security
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 12:09 PM
Mar 2021

when one party believes it has the right to invade Congress, kill anyone in the way and steal an election?

BobTheSubgenius

(11,562 posts)
35. Oh, I SO hope Josh Hawley is one of the very first to be swept up in the investigation of this data.
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 12:39 PM
Mar 2021

I really despise that smarmy, traitorous little prick.

tikka

(762 posts)
36. Hopefully they can tell if former guy was on the phone for the meeting on Jan. 5th.
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 12:45 PM
Mar 2021

There seems to be little confirmed information about who attended the meeting at the hotel in D.C. It is speculated that the former guy or some lackey from the White House may have participated in the meeting by phone.

gab13by13

(21,283 posts)
37. My oh my,
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 01:02 PM
Mar 2021

all of these possible GQP conspiracists. This reminds me of God bargaining with Moses to find but 5 good people in Sodom and Gemmorah and he would spare the cities. I know there aren't 5 good GQP Congress critters.

Shermann

(7,409 posts)
43. Link?
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 06:09 PM
Mar 2021

I'd like to know if the carriers really just handed it over or were coerced in some way (or if it really even happened).

Most companies will fight tooth and nail to avoid handing over private customer information, especially in full daylight. Remember how Apple refused to unlock that phone for the FBI a while back? I have to say that did inspire confidence in their security tech.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
44. Have never trusted the FBI since
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 08:47 PM
Mar 2021

...what they did to MLK.

Have always seen them as serving the military-industrial complex, and as not protecting We the People or the Constitution.

Of course, there could always be a few good apples.

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