Britain's High Court rules transgender people must state their legally recognized sex in census

[janterry]

The ONS (Office for National Statistics) had issued guidance on the question “What is your sex?” which seemed to encourage people to answer according to self-identification. The court has ruled that this question should be answered according to sex or what is on a gender recognition certificate. The guidance now reads: “If you are considering how to answer, use the sex recorded on one of your legal documents such as a birth certificate, gender recognition certificate, or passport.”

The emergency court case was brought by the group Fair Play for Women, which argued that "If we don't have good data on sex we can't monitor inequalities due to sex, and if we can't measure it, we can't make good policies to remedy it."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56338666

https://news.trust.org/item/20210309171620-zdgdv

This ruling was made today

[obamanut2012]

1. Frigging TERFs

[janterry]

3. The ruling was made by the judge

Who issued guidance to the ONS.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

2. Fuck the TERFS.

"Fair Play for SOME Women."

[Elessar Zappa]

4. TERF?

What is that acronym?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

5. Trans-exclusionary radical feminists.

[Elessar Zappa]

6. Ok thanks.

[regnaD kciN]

9. Otherwise known as "J.K. Rowling"...

[janterry]

7. Many feminists consider it a slur

https://feministwiki.org/wiki/TERF

others do not (here):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TERF

[Ms. Toad]

12. It's only a slur in the same way "White supremacist" is a slur. n/t

[janterry]

13. That's what some activists suggest

though I've not seen evidence that supports that.

[Ms. Toad]

20. White supremacy

believing that whites are superior to non-whites.

TERF = believing women AFAB are superior to transgender women (who are not - by their definition - "real" women).

Same issue/attitude toward those who are different.

[janterry]

22. superior? I've never heard that asserted anywhere

but if you believed that, I could see why you would want to make that accusation.

[Ms. Toad]

26. You're not listening then.

I've been around TERFs since the late 70s. They certainly do believe that women AFAB at birth are superior to trans women, who they believe to be some combination of delusional, mentlally ill, or imposters.

[janterry]

27. No, that's not true

n/t

[Withywindle]

8. I can't stand them

Never could. As a (cis) woman, I say trans women are women and I'm proud to stand with them. Any form of feminism that excludes them doesn't speak to me or for me.

[janterry]

10. This ruling was about data collection

and everyone benefits from that (including those that identify as trans)

[Withywindle]

16. Does it have a question indicating whether you're cis or trans?

That's the only way to gather data on how many trans people there are. In the current climate though, I definitely understand why a lot of people would be afraid to answer that question.

[janterry]

23. It asked about gender identity AND sex, the problem was

that it made it seem that people should answer the sex question the same as self-id. So, you wouldn't know the trans-identified population.

This way, they can collect good data on BOTH.

[regnaD kciN]

11. What is a "Gender Recognition Certificate"...?

...and, if it’s simply recognition that you identify with a gender other than the one recorded at birth, how difficult is it to get one? Does it require completing a certain level of surgical transition, or is it just something settled by a sworn statement?

[janterry]

15. No it doesn't require surgery and it's not that hard to get

Here:
https://www.gov.uk/apply-gender-recognition-certificate

[SharonClark]

18. It depends on your country, google has details.

In the UK a doctor has to provide details of surgeries performed or planned.

[janterry]

21. I looked it up right now to check and you don't need surgery

I found this in a newspaper fact-checker:

Government Equalities Office, which oversees the process by which people can change their legal gender in the UK, told FactCheck today that: “You do not have to be taking hormones or planning to get surgery to get a GRC” and “it’s not in the legal requirements that someone be taking, or planning to take, hormones”.

So, I guess the answer is still no, you don't need hormones or surgery. It does require a clinician, though.

[SharonClark]

14. Why the outrage?

"use the sex recorded on one of your legal documents such as a birth certificate, gender recognition certificate, or passport."

Isn't that a good thing?

[janterry]

17. It certainly keeps an eye on good data

But this is about self-id - which is a big topic in England.

It will be here, too, I think - in the next few years

[WhiskeyGrinder]

19. Because some people may not have the resources to put an official state stamp on who they are.

[GregariousGroundhog]

24. Except that a gender recognition certificate costs 140

If it was some nominal amount like £5 or £10 I would agree with you, but that fee is pretty steep.

[janterry]

25. You don't have to pay a thing if

any of these apply:

you receive Income Support;
you receive Income Related Employment Support Allowance ESA (IR);
you receive Pension Credit guarantee credit;
you receive income-based Job Seeker’s Allowance;
your gross annual income is £18,948 or less and you receive Working Tax Credit with a ‘disability element’ or ‘severe disability element’; your gross annual income is £18,948 or less and you receive Working Tax Credit and Child Tax Credit;
your relevant income is £18,948 or below

https://www.transitionftmuk.co.uk/downloads/grp-fees.pdf