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ALERT: FBI releases new security cam video of person who placed pipe bombs outside Republican... (Original Post) demmiblue Mar 2021 OP
Not very helpful, I'm afraid. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #1
Yeah those kicks soothsayer Mar 2021 #3
Kicks? lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #6
Shoes soothsayer Mar 2021 #7
Too small for me to recognize any brand. You must have a big monitor. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #8
No, on a wee phone soothsayer Mar 2021 #9
Oh I thought you meant "Kicks" is a brand. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #10
Oh ha. Sorry: shoulda just said "those shoes look distinctive" soothsayer Mar 2021 #40
The previous released images have clear shots of the distinctive shoes greenjar_01 Mar 2021 #11
I've been in DC and every bus shelter has a picture of those sneakers. Very clear pics on those. Treefrog Mar 2021 #19
Oh neat soothsayer Mar 2021 #41
Shoes nt intrepidity Mar 2021 #16
Looks like he hailed a taxi. They should be able to track that down. Ocelot II Mar 2021 #2
Isn't he just stretching? You know, after a job well done and all soothsayer Mar 2021 #4
That's what I thought too bdamomma Mar 2021 #74
Yeah, could be. Why does it look like handheld cameras? Aren't these from fixed security cameras? lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #5
good question about the cameras. nt orleans Mar 2021 #14
When they put the videos into whatever they used to combine/tweet them greenjar_01 Mar 2021 #20
In the interest of time an agent probably used a handheld device to record what Mike 03 Mar 2021 #32
Unsub stretches innocently as a Metro PD cop car rolls by, actually greenjar_01 Mar 2021 #13
Is "unsub" the same as "incel?" And I guess "kicks" is "shoes" now. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #18
Kicks has been shoes since the 1980s greenjar_01 Mar 2021 #21
Hmm, I guess I stopped slanging in the 1970s. Never heard of that TV show. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #24
It means unidentified subject I think. Treefrog Mar 2021 #23
UNSUB - "Unknown Subject" Mike 03 Mar 2021 #31
I interpreted it as waving to the passing police vehicle hurl Mar 2021 #17
Me too. nt SunSeeker Mar 2021 #33
I agree rockfordfile Mar 2021 #35
Why would he want to call attention to himself in this way to a PD vehicle? Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #45
Pure speculation but hurl Mar 2021 #68
Could have been a signal to sympathetic police. Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #71
Hmm... Vivid Lizard Mar 2021 #12
I'm puzzled too. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #15
Someone taking video of a computer that is playing the originals? intrepidity Mar 2021 #25
MORE VIDEO: demmiblue Mar 2021 #22
Oh, look, it's not a "handheld camera" after all... greenjar_01 Mar 2021 #26
I know, right?! demmiblue Mar 2021 #30
I feel confident they'll find this person, sooner or later. Treefrog Mar 2021 #27
This version looks more normal (another version looked handheld). lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #28
Something heavy in that backpack, that they don't want banging into their leg intrepidity Mar 2021 #29
But he is carrying it in the awkward way? Holding the loop away from him with the heavy bag Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #47
the bdamomma Mar 2021 #76
I hope they find this person too. Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #77
This individual is trying really hard to look like a white person's idea of a racial minority. Paladin Mar 2021 #34
How do you get that? What about him looks like a minority? What am I missing here? Treefrog Mar 2021 #48
What's with the thumbs up to the Police car? rockfordfile Mar 2021 #36
The movement in response to the police car is odd. Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #62
They are showing them on CNN right now! sheshe2 Mar 2021 #37
Not a woman for sure Meowmee Mar 2021 #38
Very unlikely with that broad back greenjar_01 Mar 2021 #44
very bdamomma Mar 2021 #75
Yes- the shoulders and upper back are very broad & built up Meowmee Mar 2021 #82
The person walking the dog moves closer, not further away taxi Mar 2021 #39
Slightly bowed legs? soothsayer Mar 2021 #42
From dog angle taxi Mar 2021 #43
Found someone of interest if not yet located taxi Mar 2021 #83
Person is swinging their hips in an almost female way, but could be male with hip Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author taxi Mar 2021 #49
In the alley shot taxi Mar 2021 #50
Why carry the bag in such a strange way? With loop away from the body, and bag Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #51
All different taxi Mar 2021 #56
hmm, taxi Mar 2021 #52
I was thinking it was a male, but the alley shot, looking at the back of the hips Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #54
I get a strong female gldstwmn Mar 2021 #53
Yes I agree. One who works out a lot? Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #55
The clothing is part gldstwmn Mar 2021 #57
Yes I think so. That is why we are all confused and trying to guess. Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #60
+ taxi Mar 2021 #58
I think they are female, it's in their movements and walk. Hotler Mar 2021 #67
I originally thought ellie Mar 2021 #59
At first I thought female, then young male, now I am back to female with the Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #61
Good point ellie Mar 2021 #63
Yes tell me what you think, it is the upper part of the alley. Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #64
It still looks like ellie Mar 2021 #66
Yes could be a bit of a male swagger. Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #69
I agree! ellie Mar 2021 #72
A number of the men here are saying female. Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #73
I was ellie Mar 2021 #79
Yes I thought of that. Like kids trying to look innocent. Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #80
watch how they walked around the tiny amount of water in the sidewalk. WarGamer Mar 2021 #65
Very observant and accurate observations. Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #70
I wonder bdamomma Mar 2021 #78
Gait and movements imply female to me. nt Cognitive_Resonance Mar 2021 #81
 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
11. The previous released images have clear shots of the distinctive shoes
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 04:27 PM
Mar 2021

They've been identified by various internet sleuths.

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
19. I've been in DC and every bus shelter has a picture of those sneakers. Very clear pics on those.
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 04:30 PM
Mar 2021

I’m not sure how to post a link about the shelter pictures, but they’re everywhere. I think they’re Nikes with a distinctive design.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
20. When they put the videos into whatever they used to combine/tweet them
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 04:30 PM
Mar 2021

They manipulated the images to keep the subject in more or less the center of the frame. The videos are not from a handheld camera. They're moving the completed video in the frame of the production software.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
32. In the interest of time an agent probably used a handheld device to record what
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 04:46 PM
Mar 2021

was on the security video.

It does look like a rush job, so to speak. But the images are quite well resolved, compared to a lot of what I've seen released in other cases.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
31. UNSUB - "Unknown Subject"
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 04:41 PM
Mar 2021

I first saw this term in John Douglas' first book "Mindhunter". It is (or was) commonly used by the FBI agents working in what used to be called the Behavioral Sciences Unit.

Vivid Lizard

(23 posts)
12. Hmm...
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 04:27 PM
Mar 2021

There is something odd about this video. That handheld looking camera movement has been added (notice when the date card comes up). Why would anyone "official" releasing this do that? Plus the movements of the subject, the quality of the video... it just doesn't seem legit to me.

intrepidity

(7,275 posts)
25. Someone taking video of a computer that is playing the originals?
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 04:32 PM
Mar 2021

A way to omit original meta data from being released?

intrepidity

(7,275 posts)
29. Something heavy in that backpack, that they don't want banging into their leg
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 04:38 PM
Mar 2021

I recognize that walk, and doing the counter-balance with the left arm that looks like arm waving to vehicle.

('Recognize' as in I've carried a heavy bag the same way.)

Irish_Dem

(46,579 posts)
47. But he is carrying it in the awkward way? Holding the loop away from him with the heavy bag
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 06:33 PM
Mar 2021

side nearer to his body. The bag tends to hit your body this way. Better to carry it with loop further away?

He is carrying it like there is something bad in the bag.

bdamomma

(63,803 posts)
76. the
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:43 PM
Mar 2021

person does have the bag not in contact with their leg. I hope they find that person. Seems like he or she was very confident of not getting caught.

Paladin

(28,243 posts)
34. This individual is trying really hard to look like a white person's idea of a racial minority.
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 04:49 PM
Mar 2021

Trying a little too hard. I'm betting he or she is white.

Irish_Dem

(46,579 posts)
62. The movement in response to the police car is odd.
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 07:15 PM
Mar 2021

Why bring attention to yourself?

Or perhaps the perp was trying to appear casual by yawning and stretching.

taxi

(1,896 posts)
39. The person walking the dog moves closer, not further away
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 05:03 PM
Mar 2021

The person walking the dog moves closer, not further away. It seems his traits are common and accepted for the neighborhood. As for his gait, it looks like he has a bad hip - whatever weight the bag has may lessen the hobble.

taxi

(1,896 posts)
83. Found someone of interest if not yet located
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 11:09 PM
Mar 2021

This guy,
Thomas Caldwell, who is alleged to be on of the orchestrators of the Capitol attack on Jan. 6, says there’s no way he could have led the mob since he is an “old cripple.”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215225615#post2

Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #46)

taxi

(1,896 posts)
50. In the alley shot
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 06:47 PM
Mar 2021

gym fit shoulders.
the bag is meant to look heavy, but isn't, they stay square. same hand, no swing. could be either

Irish_Dem

(46,579 posts)
51. Why carry the bag in such a strange way? With loop away from the body, and bag
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 06:54 PM
Mar 2021

close to the body? That is not how you carry a bag.

But you are right, it makes sense if the person is carrying a light bag but wants us to think it is heavy. Still an odd way to carry a bag heavy or light.

So the perp then must have gotten rid of the objects in the bag, and wants is to think otherwise.

Women today are getting muscled arms and shoulders...

taxi

(1,896 posts)
56. All different
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 07:07 PM
Mar 2021

I would watch harness races looking for early signs of a bad gait, and my hip hurts. Looks like me, so I thought guy. Others have swayed me more toward she being the suspect. I can't disagree with what you see.

taxi

(1,896 posts)
52. hmm,
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 06:57 PM
Mar 2021

But you're convincing me. The shoulders are made to look big, but also look heavy in the back.
.

Irish_Dem

(46,579 posts)
54. I was thinking it was a male, but the alley shot, looking at the back of the hips
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 07:04 PM
Mar 2021

swing is more like a woman walking.

But we could all be confused, if it is a male trying to look female or vice versa.

Edit to add: I looked at the entire first alley shot and the perp looks female to me.

Irish_Dem

(46,579 posts)
61. At first I thought female, then young male, now I am back to female with the
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 07:13 PM
Mar 2021

hips swinging as shown in the alley video.

Irish_Dem

(46,579 posts)
64. Yes tell me what you think, it is the upper part of the alley.
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 08:00 PM
Mar 2021

I cannot really decide since other video looks more male.

ellie

(6,928 posts)
66. It still looks like
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 08:07 PM
Mar 2021

a man to me. A young man with a bit of a swagger? Cocky?

On edit: I asked my husband and he said he thinks it's a woman.

Irish_Dem

(46,579 posts)
69. Yes could be a bit of a male swagger.
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 08:35 PM
Mar 2021

I trust your husband's opinion, I think men are good at identifying women at a glance.

ellie

(6,928 posts)
79. I was
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 11:05 PM
Mar 2021

reading a thread on Reddit about the video and people there are calling the stretch this person did a "felony stretch," which stems from 1) an attempt to display to any onlookers how casual and relaxed he/she is feeling, and 2) to relieve muscles that tense from nerves. Apparently, cops 100% look for this, and most criminals know they do. This dude's an amateur.

Irish_Dem

(46,579 posts)
80. Yes I thought of that. Like kids trying to look innocent.
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 11:53 PM
Mar 2021

But yes I agree, if that is the case, the person is amateur.
A professional would simply look as normal as possible.

WarGamer

(12,373 posts)
65. watch how they walked around the tiny amount of water in the sidewalk.
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 08:06 PM
Mar 2021

and carrying the backpack like that instead of slinging one strap on a shoulder...

and the butt protrudes a bit...

I think it's female.

Apologies if pairing these characteristics with sex is rude.

Irish_Dem

(46,579 posts)
70. Very observant and accurate observations.
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 08:40 PM
Mar 2021

But if he or she is carrying a bomb maybe they didn't want to sling it over a shoulder.

bdamomma

(63,803 posts)
78. I wonder
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:50 PM
Mar 2021

if that cruiser (police) that went by was shown this video to give any feedback. I watched again I don't think that was a police car. There seems to an insignia on the door.

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