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Quemado

(1,262 posts)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 04:23 PM Mar 2021

Largest U.S. Gas Spill in 20 Years - 1.2 Million Gallons

https://weather.com/news/news/2021-03-08-north-carolina-gasoline-spill-colonial-pipeline-oehler-nature-preserve

It happened at a cracked pipeline in North Carolina. Cancer-causing chemicals, like benzene, have been found in groundwater near the site.

Two ATV riders found the spill on Aug. 14 in the Oehler Nature Preserve near Huntersville, North Carolina. The gasoline was leaking from a pipeline that runs from Texas through the Southeast and north to New Jersey. Officials don't know how long the pipe was cracked before the ATV riders found the spill.
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Largest U.S. Gas Spill in 20 Years - 1.2 Million Gallons (Original Post) Quemado Mar 2021 OP
Oh, no! lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #1
Not surprised. 2naSalit Mar 2021 #2
It was cracked long enuf to get gas prices up to 4 bucks a gallon... MiHale Mar 2021 #3
Texas Refineries Were Already Down ProfessorGAC Mar 2021 #8
Point was...didn't make it clear enough... MiHale Mar 2021 #11
This Ferrets are Cool Mar 2021 #12
My first thought here is (1.2 million gal.) bluestarone Mar 2021 #4
Yup. It's ALWAYS an underestimate, and intentionally so. SunSeeker Mar 2021 #5
While I Understand Your Cynicism... ProfessorGAC Mar 2021 #10
"biggest refined petroleum spill in the U.S. since 2000" Bayard Mar 2021 #6
Sound like they were lucky it did not explode when they got close with the running,... magicarpet Mar 2021 #7
You'd think they would've been alerted to pressure changes in a control room somewhere nuxvomica Mar 2021 #9
Leaked long enough to poison water and lose 4,800,000 quarts of gasoline. Control room video ... marble falls Mar 2021 #13
Maybe they noticed a pressure drop so they increased the pressure nuxvomica Mar 2021 #14
Pumps Are Interlocked ProfessorGAC Mar 2021 #15
Interesting nuxvomica Mar 2021 #16
gee, another pipeline. pansypoo53219 Mar 2021 #17
right !? and 1.2 million gallons went not noticed !!! uponit7771 Mar 2021 #18

MiHale

(9,715 posts)
3. It was cracked long enuf to get gas prices up to 4 bucks a gallon...
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 04:34 PM
Mar 2021

Plus it was a little cold in Texas, summer blend is coming, next a refinery will probably have some unexplained problem.
E.V.’s are too close, gotta milk the cow while the udder has a little left.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
8. Texas Refineries Were Already Down
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 04:54 PM
Mar 2021

That's why commodity speculators already drove up prices 40¢ in a month.
They weren't prepped for the cold & the electrical issues shut several down.
For the first time in 20+ years gas was being trucked INTO Texas for a while.
And, when refineries go down, it can take 3-4 weeks to get back up to normal rates of production.
We're experiencing a hangover from Texas' drunken deregulation binge.
If this is on 1.02 million gallons, that shouldn't drastically affect pump price there. It's barely 1% of daily demand.

MiHale

(9,715 posts)
11. Point was...didn't make it clear enough...
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 05:24 PM
Mar 2021

Any reason to be able to raise prices is ok with them. Somebody could sneeze in a refinery and gas prices go up.
My S.I.L. Is in the energy business in Texas, I’ve heard all the popular bull crap I’m just being reactive.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
10. While I Understand Your Cynicism...
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 05:00 PM
Mar 2021

...there are custody transfers a few spots along those pipelines.
Using VERY accurate & precise meters, the supplier knows how much they put through the pipe and the recipients know exactly what they took.
Given EDI (electronic data interchange) an ERP program like SAP would catch it in a day, 2 at most. After all, somebody is losing money. In this case, using your numbers, were talking about $17-18 million!
If it was a sudden gusher, the pressure drop from measurement point to measurement point would alarm to a leak, or even interlock the booster pumps to off.
I'm going to say that, in this case, the number won't end up an order of magnitude higher than currently reported.

Bayard

(22,059 posts)
6. "biggest refined petroleum spill in the U.S. since 2000"
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 04:46 PM
Mar 2021

And it wasn't found until August. If those 2 kids hadn't found it, sounds like it would still be going on. Over a million gallons, in a nature preserve.

magicarpet

(14,144 posts)
7. Sound like they were lucky it did not explode when they got close with the running,...
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 04:50 PM
Mar 2021

... engines of their ATVs.

nuxvomica

(12,421 posts)
9. You'd think they would've been alerted to pressure changes in a control room somewhere
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 04:57 PM
Mar 2021

Hopefully they did and this wasn't leaking for very long.

nuxvomica

(12,421 posts)
14. Maybe they noticed a pressure drop so they increased the pressure
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 06:44 PM
Mar 2021

Instead of figuring there might be a leak.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
15. Pumps Are Interlocked
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 07:09 PM
Mar 2021

They don't measure pressure alone they measure delta P, or the difference in pressure between booster stations.
For gasoline, with constant line size the delta is very easy to calculate for any given flow. And the transducers are accurate to within 0.01 psig.
Turning up the pressure at output doesn't change the excessive delta P. 10psig of loss beyond calculated is that if we go from 300-200 (target 90 delta P due to frictional loss) it's the same as going from 320-220.
The pumps would still interlock.
I'm thinking this was a small leak that lasted a while, otherwise the EDI financial transactions would have caught a sudden big inventory loss. Losses accumulating to $2+ million over a month will get caught at close of monthly book.
$2+ million in a day gets flagged by the software immediately.
That's why I'm thinking a small leak.
No big change in daily receipts, no big delta P issues.

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