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Not ever... (Original Post) sheshe2 Mar 2021 OP
That!! onecaliberal Mar 2021 #1
This! n/t Claire Oh Nette Mar 2021 #2
I asked my mom about abortion Just_Vote_Dem Mar 2021 #3
Good on your mom. sheshe2 Mar 2021 #4
Thanks-I'm a guy, and I was young at the time Just_Vote_Dem Mar 2021 #7
Thanks for clarifying. sheshe2 Mar 2021 #14
Yay, Massachusetts! Just_Vote_Dem Mar 2021 #16
Born and raised here. sheshe2 Mar 2021 #19
My treasured copy, well-used, sat on my bookshelves for many years. I lost count of the number niyad Mar 2021 #9
I owned it in High School. sheshe2 Mar 2021 #17
It is so very helpful. Two others that I found helpful were "Women's Bodies, Women's Wisdom", and niyad Mar 2021 #22
I saw her during a pretty in-depth interview. BobTheSubgenius Mar 2021 #44
I had that book lillypaddle Mar 2021 #37
I discovered that book... 2naSalit Mar 2021 #45
Welcome home, if you do. sheshe2 Mar 2021 #46
That's where my dad is from... 2naSalit Mar 2021 #47
My grandparents lived at the other end of Cape Cod... sheshe2 Mar 2021 #49
Our place wasn't on the shore... 2naSalit Mar 2021 #53
Works for me Hekate Mar 2021 #5
... sheshe2 Mar 2021 #6
Yes! Picaro Mar 2021 #8
KNR plus several gazillion!!!!!! niyad Mar 2021 #10
If you can't be on the right side of a real morality issue Shermann Mar 2021 #11
They have a little problem with that, though Leith Mar 2021 #48
The wonderful sheshe2 strikes again :) speak easy Mar 2021 #12
You changed your name! sheshe2 Mar 2021 #18
The orange ape was evicted from the WH ! speak easy Mar 2021 #20
Good for you. sheshe2 Mar 2021 #21
I must apologize to apes of all species, speak easy Mar 2021 #24
I think they will forgive you. sheshe2 Mar 2021 #25
ty speak easy Mar 2021 #27
absolutely IbogaProject Mar 2021 #13
Yes! A million times yes! 🙋‍♀️ crickets Mar 2021 #15
Uh huh mcar Mar 2021 #23
make it so. pansypoo53219 Mar 2021 #26
1000 times, yes. wendyb-NC Mar 2021 #28
some things to consider sarchasm Mar 2021 #29
Surprisingly, that's never brought up. dhol82 Mar 2021 #34
Some of us have been pointing this out for decades now. Would seem obvious to thinking beings. . Hmm niyad Mar 2021 #52
K&R!!! highplainsdem Mar 2021 #30
👍 Joinfortmill Mar 2021 #31
Damn stright Evolve Dammit Mar 2021 #32
I gotta start using spell check; sorry Evolve Dammit Mar 2021 #33
Mine is automatic on most devices. sheshe2 Mar 2021 #35
K&R Blue Owl Mar 2021 #36
this llashram Mar 2021 #38
abso-damn-lutely Mr. Steve Mar 2021 #39
Hell yeah! I'd vote for that! Wounded Bear Mar 2021 #40
Recommended. H2O Man Mar 2021 #41
⭐️K&R⭐️ spanone Mar 2021 #42
Damn straight! Martin68 Mar 2021 #43
Even if the heartbeat comes -- NotANeocon Mar 2021 #50
K&R JohnnyRingo Mar 2021 #51

Just_Vote_Dem

(2,801 posts)
3. I asked my mom about abortion
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 08:14 PM
Mar 2021

She told me, "I would never have one, but no one should ever tell a woman she can't have one".

My mom was cool

sheshe2

(83,720 posts)
4. Good on your mom.
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 08:23 PM
Mar 2021

She knew it would be your decision and yours alone.






In May of 1969, as the women’s movement was gaining momentum and influence in the Boston area and elsewhere around the country, a group of women met during a . In a workshop on “Women and Their Bodies,” they shared their experiences with doctors and their frustration at how little they knew about how their bodies worked.

The discussions were so provocative and fulfilling that they formed the Doctor’s Group, the forerunner to the Boston Women’s Health Book Collective, to find out more about their bodies, their lives, their sexuality and relationships, and to talk with each other about what they learned.

They decided to put their knowledge into an accessible format that could be shared and would serve as a model for women to learn about themselves, communicate their findings with doctors, and challenge the medical establishment to change and improve the care that women receive.

In 1970, they worked with the to publish a 193-page course book on stapled newsprint entitled “.” The book was revolutionary for its frank talk about sexuality and abortion, which was then illegal. The cost: 75 cents.

In 1971, they changed the title to “Our Bodies, Ourselves” to emphasize women taking full ownership of their bodies. The book quickly became an underground success, selling 225,000 copies, mainly by word-of-mouth. The cost this time around: 30 cents.

https://www.ourbodiesourselves.org/our-story/

Just_Vote_Dem

(2,801 posts)
7. Thanks-I'm a guy, and I was young at the time
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 08:29 PM
Mar 2021

and I needed to know how women thought about the issue-that was when the anti-abortionists were going after Bill Baird in my home state, Massachusetts.

niyad

(113,229 posts)
9. My treasured copy, well-used, sat on my bookshelves for many years. I lost count of the number
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 08:36 PM
Mar 2021

of women whom I persuaded to buy it, especially when I managed a bookstore. Absolutely valuable. "Ourselves, Growing Older" was also amazing.

sheshe2

(83,720 posts)
17. I owned it in High School.
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 08:47 PM
Mar 2021

I moved so many times I had to let things go.

I should grab a copy of "Ourselves, Growing Older", I could use it right now. I really could.

niyad

(113,229 posts)
22. It is so very helpful. Two others that I found helpful were "Women's Bodies, Women's Wisdom", and
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 08:59 PM
Mar 2021

"The Wisdom of Menopause" by Dr. Christiane Northrup. You might have seen her during pbs pledge times.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,562 posts)
44. I saw her during a pretty in-depth interview.
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 01:18 PM
Mar 2021

Dr. Northrup should be required reading. Being far from an Ob-Gyn or an endocrinologist, I had no idea if what she was saying about hormone replacement was correct, but she sure sounded authoritative (I know - demagogues do, too) and I've never heard anyone refute it. What I've had the initiative to read about since then seems to bear it out.

2naSalit

(86,509 posts)
45. I discovered that book...
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 02:50 PM
Mar 2021

In the waiting room of a planned parenthood clinic in the early 70s. It made clear that my thoughts about my body were not unusual or incorrect.

PS, I was born in Beantown and grew up in MA, NH, and Maine. Have been thinking of moving back to NE in the next few years, maybe.

2naSalit

(86,509 posts)
47. That's where my dad is from...
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 03:28 PM
Mar 2021

About a mile up the road from Craigville Beach. Spent most of my childhood summers there at my grandparents' estate which is no longer a family asset.

sheshe2

(83,720 posts)
49. My grandparents lived at the other end of Cape Cod...
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 03:43 PM
Mar 2021

All the way at the end, the tip of the Cape. I spent many of my summers down there, such good memories. I always loved the sound of the ocean to lull you to sleep at night. 😴

2naSalit

(86,509 posts)
53. Our place wasn't on the shore...
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 07:52 PM
Mar 2021

On the Cape but we lived near the shore in Maine much of the time. I also miss the seafood. Not something that you can really enjoy in the Rocky Mountains after having lived near the shore and been accustomed to very fresh seafood. It's just not the same so out here I eat trout.

Shermann

(7,411 posts)
11. If you can't be on the right side of a real morality issue
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 08:40 PM
Mar 2021

...manufacture one involving spirituality and unfalsifiable statements. Then you can assemble it in such a way that your beliefs dovetail right in. What's also great about this issue is that it really requires no sacrifices of those on the "right" side. Win win!

That's all the abortion issue is for the GOP. Sure, there are some true believers in there. That's just noise. The GOP has a major optics problem. They are against so many things that common sense says we should be doing. Reducing income inequality, improving access to voting, reducing weapons proliferation, etc. What's an entrenched political party to do? This is why they will never give up on this one.

Truth bomb for the GOP!

Leith

(7,808 posts)
48. They have a little problem with that, though
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 03:30 PM
Mar 2021

There is nothing in their buy-bull that is anti-abortion. Nothing.

In fact, the buy-bull has instructions on how to make a potion for inducing abortion, made and administered by a religious leader.

speak easy

(9,225 posts)
24. I must apologize to apes of all species,
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:07 PM
Mar 2021

for comparing them to that psycho monster who thought nothing of sacrificing half a million of his own people on his Moloch alter of MAGA madness.

sheshe2

(83,720 posts)
25. I think they will forgive you.
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:22 PM
Mar 2021

After all the psycho is a human, supposedly, yet not who most humans are.

IbogaProject

(2,803 posts)
13. absolutely
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 08:43 PM
Mar 2021

Pro life for women without anyone forcing them to do or not do anything. pro choice means the woman has the choice alone.

sarchasm

(1,012 posts)
29. some things to consider
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:08 PM
Mar 2021

gleaned from the twitterverse. not sure who wrote these, but all excellent questions as womens rights become less available...

"If a woman has sex with 100 random men in a year, she can only produce one full term pregnancy. If a guy has sex with 100 random women in a year, he can produce 100 full term pregnancies. So why exactly are we only talking about regulating women?"

“Where is the list of actions required, under penalty of law, for fathers? If life starts at conception, shouldn’t the father be required to pay for 50 percent of the medical bills incurred during pregnancy? If the father is not married to the mother, will she be allowed to use his health insurance plan? Can she claim the fetus on her taxes? Can she take out life insurance immediately and, if she miscarries, collect death benefits? Can the father? If the mother has a difficult pregnancy and cannot work or has to go on bed rest, will the father be required by law to support her financially? What will be the penalty for a father abandoning a fetus? How many years in prison? Will he have to pay a fine? If he has no money, will the state cover his child support payments? For how long?”

niyad

(113,229 posts)
52. Some of us have been pointing this out for decades now. Would seem obvious to thinking beings. . Hmm
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 07:26 PM
Mar 2021

sheshe2

(83,720 posts)
35. Mine is automatic on most devices.
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 12:20 AM
Mar 2021

Voice however makes me nuts. I can't believe what they think I say.

Mr. Steve

(114 posts)
39. abso-damn-lutely
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 10:37 AM
Mar 2021

If your heart does not pump blood in it, you do not control it. Women's bodies = women's business.

NotANeocon

(423 posts)
50. Even if the heartbeat comes --
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 05:31 PM
Mar 2021

-- from the reproductive graft which is a part of her body!!!

When the anti-women cultists start holding funeral services for used tampons and s-napkins then I'll reconsider their sincerity about instant people production.

Pregnancy is a process - not an act.

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