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speak easy

(12,595 posts)
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 05:42 PM Mar 2021

The trap was set. The Republicans jumped right in. Let's have FDR explain it.

The American Rescue Plan looks like being the most popular economic/social legislation since the New Deal. (Let the selling begin!)

And not a single Republican voted for it.

The trap was set. The coffin will be nailed shut. Here's FDR.

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The trap was set. The Republicans jumped right in. Let's have FDR explain it. (Original Post) speak easy Mar 2021 OP
Yup. Elessar Zappa Mar 2021 #1
Perfect! cyclonefence Mar 2021 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author 3Hotdogs Mar 2021 #21
I think he was the best we ever had. 3Hotdogs Mar 2021 #22
Great post malaise Mar 2021 #3
Do you think VP Harris said to the President - DURHAM D Mar 2021 #4
Oh - you know it ! speak easy Mar 2021 #6
BFD underpants Mar 2021 #8
That would have been awesome! Danascot Mar 2021 #29
Wow! Delphinus Mar 2021 #5
Sure they have, they've gotten worse. SammyWinstonJack Mar 2021 #34
definitely with limbaugh it got a lot worse - and now he's dead and trumpism with him certainot Mar 2021 #57
+1 BobTheSubgenius Mar 2021 #63
Their voting base as well as their heart is still in the same, wrong place. jaxexpat Mar 2021 #53
Love it! Zoonart Mar 2021 #7
Thanks for the reminder. My favorite potus. nt Doremus Mar 2021 #9
Mine too.. whathehell Mar 2021 #33
As they say in Texas, we have only one thing to fear, DFW Mar 2021 #10
... speak easy Mar 2021 #11
Wow- thank you lisa58 Mar 2021 #12
Republicans haven't changed a bit in the past 100 years meow2u3 Mar 2021 #13
Excellent post. JFK60 Mar 2021 #14
yeah well im not sure it will backfire for them. drray23 Mar 2021 #15
bots. mopinko Mar 2021 #20
That's what they said about Medicare. wnylib Mar 2021 #24
yes in the long term we will prevail drray23 Mar 2021 #26
They are rationalizing taking the $1400 because AllyCat Mar 2021 #51
It's never been about convincing their dumb base. Elessar Zappa Mar 2021 #61
I thought Pres Joe could be another LBJ trying to unite the country after a National tragedy... Tommymac Mar 2021 #16
Crossed my mind. The right person wnylib Mar 2021 #25
what I Have been saying since before he was nominated demtenjeep Mar 2021 #30
Keep it up, Team! Kid Berwyn Mar 2021 #17
That donkey is so cute I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2021 #40
The R's will regret their abstinence from this process. theneworiginal Mar 2021 #18
The R's will regret their abstinence from this process. theneworiginal Mar 2021 #19
very good post !! monkeyman1 Mar 2021 #23
A wonderful blast from the past. But Oldem Mar 2021 #27
I heard the theory that the GQP got "rolled by the Dems". BigmanPigman Mar 2021 #28
They got plenty of nothin'. BarbD Mar 2021 #32
Some things never change. SunSeeker Mar 2021 #31
Love it Joinfortmill Mar 2021 #35
Back in the day when the voters were smarter Bev54 Mar 2021 #36
FDR had 59 Democrats out of 96 Senators Thunderbeast Mar 2021 #37
FDR nailed it! burrowowl Mar 2021 #38
85 years down the road and nothing has changed with those bastards. Warpy Mar 2021 #39
Yes! Call those rotten bastards out continually.. I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2021 #41
Sorry, Warpy, you're wrong Bob_in_VA Mar 2021 #43
My memory is a lot longer than yours is Warpy Mar 2021 #45
Your memory is not long enough and is selective grantcart Mar 2021 #46
Uh Warpy Mar 2021 #60
Oh, yeah. Sounds familiar. LudwigPastorius Mar 2021 #42
We've known this all these years. Mickju Mar 2021 #44
Suck it GOP Blue Owl Mar 2021 #47
sounds exactly like what they say about Obamacare. Hamlette Mar 2021 #48
K&R burrowowl Mar 2021 #49
Not as well known...but LBJ got a lot done... Sancho Mar 2021 #50
LBJ kicked ass. His domestic agenda was massive. appalachiablue Mar 2021 #55
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2021 #52
History is so cool! Wild blueberry Mar 2021 #54
Link to full text BadgerKid Mar 2021 #56
It is a speech I return to from time to time, speak easy Mar 2021 #65
I'll be back to steall that.... Historic NY Mar 2021 #58
They got nothing.. movingviolation Mar 2021 #59
Wow. That really nailed it. underpants Mar 2021 #62
FDR opened that speech with this warning about the 1936 campaign - speak easy Mar 2021 #66
That video is powerful Nasruddin Mar 2021 #64
Astounding how RWers, most of whom almost certainly benefitted Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2021 #67
Reaganism is over! speak easy Mar 2021 #68
Yes! Though I'm thinking it's well *past* time! Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2021 #71
Same old Republicans!!! The Wielding Truth Mar 2021 #69
Not a political trap. It was creation of needed legislation, with dems doing wiggs Mar 2021 #70

Response to cyclonefence (Reply #2)

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
57. definitely with limbaugh it got a lot worse - and now he's dead and trumpism with him
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 01:30 PM
Mar 2021

all his radio stations are squabbling about replacements and no one could generate the rationalizations and denial like he could

the trap sprung when limbaugh croaked

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
53. Their voting base as well as their heart is still in the same, wrong place.
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 11:53 AM
Mar 2021

FDR had perfect diction and elocution, too. The QOP of those days hated him for that as well.

meow2u3

(25,248 posts)
13. Republicans haven't changed a bit in the past 100 years
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 06:15 PM
Mar 2021

They were elitist snobs who looked down on workers then; they're elitist snobs who look down on the working class now. Only difference now is that they accuse Democrats of their own elitist snobbery.

drray23

(8,719 posts)
15. yeah well im not sure it will backfire for them.
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 06:24 PM
Mar 2021

they already convinced their base it was all pork and socialist agenda. At least thats what i see on twitter.

wnylib

(25,785 posts)
24. That's what they said about Medicare.
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 07:03 PM
Mar 2021

But try to take it away from them today and see what happens.

drray23

(8,719 posts)
26. yes in the long term we will prevail
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 07:06 PM
Mar 2021

I just hope this time voters realize it before 2022. There is hope given the substantial help for families with kids. They cant just say, Trump gave me a stimulus check too, because there are other things that this bill does.

AllyCat

(18,788 posts)
51. They are rationalizing taking the $1400 because
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 09:07 AM
Mar 2021

“It cost me $5000 in taxes to get it!” Really. That is the way they are twisting this.

Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
61. It's never been about convincing their dumb base.
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 02:13 PM
Mar 2021

It’s about keeping the mushy middle on our side come 2022. And I think this bill will help accomplish that.

Tommymac

(7,334 posts)
16. I thought Pres Joe could be another LBJ trying to unite the country after a National tragedy...
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 06:24 PM
Mar 2021

never crossed my mind that he could actually be the next FDR.



theneworiginal

(302 posts)
18. The R's will regret their abstinence from this process.
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 06:28 PM
Mar 2021

It's not just that they didn't vote for it, they withdrew from the negotiation all together. They should've come up from their 660b plan to make it look like they were trying. Not doing that showed that they really don't care, despite what they say. When the economy gets a bump from this heading into mid-terms, it will not/cannot be attributable to any Repub. Trump had no policy, so they can't say that any success is an aftershock of what he did. Like the Repubs, he did nothing. He got nothing back at the polls.

The Republican party bailed on America. America will bail on them.

theneworiginal

(302 posts)
19. The R's will regret their abstinence from this process.
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 06:28 PM
Mar 2021

It's not just that they didn't vote for it, they withdrew from the negotiation all together. They should've come up from their 660b plan to make it look like they were trying. Not doing that showed that they really don't care, despite what they say. When the economy gets a bump from this heading into mid-terms, it will not/cannot be attributable to any Repub. Trump had no policy, so they can't say that any success is an aftershock of what he did. Like the Repubs, he did nothing. He got nothing back at the polls.

The Republican party bailed on America. America will bail on them.

Oldem

(833 posts)
27. A wonderful blast from the past. But
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 07:07 PM
Mar 2021

present-day repugs do NOT believe in any of these programs and would NOT offer alternatives if they regained power. It's been that way at least since Reagan.

BigmanPigman

(55,039 posts)
28. I heard the theory that the GQP got "rolled by the Dems".
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 07:08 PM
Mar 2021

While they were into taking a ton of time reading the whole thing to appease Johnnson the senators got tired and bored and left the chambers allowing the Dems to move on it. Their focus on Dr Seuss and Mr Potato Head and not the plan was a big mistake.

Thunderbeast

(3,810 posts)
37. FDR had 59 Democrats out of 96 Senators
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 08:45 PM
Mar 2021

The GQP has not paid a price for obstruction. History tells them that obstruction, suppression, and Gerrymandering are a winning formula for a minority party. Demographics will continue to erode statewide Republican power in swing states (unless they are successful at voter suppression).

After Jerrymandering congressional districts to their benefit, look to the GQP to make a wholesale push to award electoral votes by district.

Rural conservative states have a structural advantage baked into the Constitution...A legacy of slave-state compromises. Democrats MUST compete in these states by selling the benefits of a progressive agenda. It will be hard work, and take generations.

Warpy

(114,559 posts)
39. 85 years down the road and nothing has changed with those bastards.
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 09:34 PM
Mar 2021

Remember the health insurance plan they had all ready to go in 2017, if we just let them abolish the ACA?

They had NOTHING. They just wanted to take away what little we'd been able to get.

It's past time to start calling them out and I mean from the White House, from Congress, and all over the air waves.

Bob_in_VA

(140 posts)
43. Sorry, Warpy, you're wrong
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 10:37 PM
Mar 2021

We were told by the Repugs back in 1994 that if the country would reject the Clinton health plan and elect Repugs to the House and Senate, giving them control, why they had this splendiferous health plan ready to roll out. So the country put the Repugs in office in 1994 and they did nothing. We've been waiting 27 years for the Republican health care plan. Nothing.

Of course to be fair, Alan Grayson, a Democratic Representative from Florida some years ago, did note that the Republicans had a health plan - "don't get sick, and if you do, die quickly".

Warpy

(114,559 posts)
45. My memory is a lot longer than yours is
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 01:36 AM
Mar 2021

FED knew we needed universal health care, so did Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson (who did get us Medicare, at least) and even Nixon. All were stonewalled by conservatives in Congress. When Obama came along, he basically floated the idea of the Heritage Society's flawed plan, thinking Republicans would go for their own damned plan.

He was wrong. It passed with concessions to Republicans and without a single Republican vote.

That party has to be called out on this stuff, publicly, loudly, and often.

FDR wasn't afraid to do it. It's time for the current crop to step up and give people like AOC some help.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
46. Your memory is not long enough and is selective
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 02:08 AM
Mar 2021

1) Teddy Roosevelt was the first to call for national health insurance

2) Sen Arlene Spector stated that because President Obama had made a bipartisan effort to include Republicans in the process he was motivated to change parties and with Franken's election became the 60th vote. There is no evidence that if President Obama went with a strictly partisan bill that we would have reached 60 votes. It is also unlikely (IMO) that Roberts would have crossed the SC aisle and found it constitutional.

Warpy

(114,559 posts)
60. Uh
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 02:11 PM
Mar 2021

1) Yes, he was, but it wasn't until the Great Depression that anyone else though it was important.

2)"Change parties" is the operative -phrase you're looking for. Republicans voted as a bloc, no matter what sort of bipratisanship they shoved in to damage the program.

LudwigPastorius

(14,621 posts)
42. Oh, yeah. Sounds familiar.
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 10:32 PM
Mar 2021

Like the Trump/GOP healthcare plan that was going to replace the ACA.

Mickju

(1,823 posts)
44. We've known this all these years.
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 01:24 AM
Mar 2021

And yet Republicans have not changed at all and never will.

Blue Owl

(58,932 posts)
47. Suck it GOP
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 02:14 AM
Mar 2021

Only the dumbest will continue to support your shitty party of misery and failure

BadgerKid

(4,987 posts)
56. Link to full text
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 12:45 PM
Mar 2021
https://speakola.com/political/franklin-d-roosevelt-let-me-warn-you-reelection-1936

One of the quotes that rings true:

Remember, too, that the first essential of doing a job well is to want to see the job done. Make no mistake about this: the Republican leadership today is not against the way we have done the job. The Republican leadership is against the job's being done.

speak easy

(12,595 posts)
65. It is a speech I return to from time to time,
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 04:31 PM
Mar 2021

finding particular relevance to politics of the day.

There will be—there are—many false issues. In that respect, this will be no different from other campaigns. Partisans, not willing to face realities, will drag out red herrings as they have always done—to divert attention from the trail of their own weaknesses.

Historic NY

(39,965 posts)
58. I'll be back to steall that....
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 01:43 PM
Mar 2021

//i've got a couple of Truman onea....I have to check my files.

speak easy

(12,595 posts)
66. FDR opened that speech with this warning about the 1936 campaign -
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 04:34 PM
Mar 2021
There will be—there are—many false issues. In that respect, this will be no different from other campaigns. Partisans, not willing to face realities, will drag out red herrings as they have always done—to divert attention from the trail of their own weaknesses.

And said of GOP lip service to social security and the New Deal

The first essential of doing a job well is to want to see the job done. Make no mistake about this: the Republican leadership today is not against the way we have done the job. The Republican leadership is against the job's being done.

Nasruddin

(1,238 posts)
64. That video is powerful
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 03:29 PM
Mar 2021

What I want to know is where that sumbich was in 2016 when we couldda really used him!

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,484 posts)
67. Astounding how RWers, most of whom almost certainly benefitted
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 04:42 PM
Mar 2021

from the support FDR's New Deal programs provided to their parrents, grandparents, etc, not to mention the country in general (infrastructure, resources, art, etc) demonize FDR & us, his party.

Though they don't mind the inequity of those programs as applied to minorities. That this COVID relief legislation seeks to avoid that inequity is surely a mark against it, in their book.

It is so important for Dems to advertise the hell out of what they've done for our country with this new relief bill, including the fact that not a single R voted for it. And the fact that, unlike the twice-imoeached previous pResident, Biden is not holding up the checks so he can sign his own name to them.

Twitter, Facebook, sure. But also shout it from the rooftops! Put up billboards! Hire some of those advertising airplanes!

speak easy

(12,595 posts)
68. Reaganism is over!
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 05:00 PM
Mar 2021

Yes. It is time, as Pete Buttigieg put it, the claim the new era. And shout it from the rooftops. America is back !

wiggs

(8,781 posts)
70. Not a political trap. It was creation of needed legislation, with dems doing
Thu Mar 11, 2021, 05:31 PM
Mar 2021

the heavy lifting as usual. But dems' motivation here is helping, not political traps.

The media LOVES to frame everything in terms of political wins and losses for individuals and for parties....but more often than not the important thing is not the horse race but the underlying action and motivation.

Headlines yesterday and today have to do with 'first big win for Biden'...when headlines should be describing the epic problems and the solutions that will help address them.

If they want to say that the gop is doing nothing to help, that's fine with me but a significant problem with public discourse today is polarization and making everything a dramatic personal battle that begs for clicks and eyes.

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