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Sarah K. Burris
March 11, 2021
The indictment for Capitol attacker Thomas Edward Caldwell revealed some information about the defense he intends to use in court.
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Among the things heard on videos of Caldwell include: "Every single b*tch in there is a traitor," and "We need to do this at the local level. Let's storm the capitol in Ohio. Tell me when!"
But it's what Caldwell is claiming in court that sounds familiar.
"Citing private, off-color jokes where Caldwell discussed 'hanging the traitors' and going after politicians, the Government attempts to characterize the defendant as a danger to the community," court documents from his lawyers said. "Caldwell's 'locker room' talk and male bravado, however, was not intended for public consumption, was likely done under the influence of prescription painkillers, and didn't result in him committing one act of violenceon January 6th or before."
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https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-attacker-locker-room-talk/
WUSA story here
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I wish these "gallant patriots" would just own up to their "patriotic actions" instead of chickening out. Playing commando isn't nearly as much fun when the FBI comes knocking.
marble falls
(57,264 posts)enough
(13,262 posts)getting arrested for civil disobedience. One thing they never said was I didnt mean it, that was just locker room talk.
TwilightZone
(25,485 posts)It's one thing to play the "locker room talk" game. It's another to do so when there is recorded evidence that that defense is nonsense.
Baitball Blogger
(46,758 posts)"Locker talk." Really.
Leghorn21
(13,526 posts)Alleged Oath Keeper commander claims he had top-secret clearance, worked for FBI
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/oath-keeper-thomas-caldwell-claims-he-had-top-secret-clearance-worked-for-fbi/65-919cc179-ed48-465b-a173-0f5778cd26af
Yeah, thats the ticket!!
Yup, he said, I drugged my nose right through the koolaid mix, just like Junior showed me. 'Cept Junior likes the white stuff.
Solly Mack
(90,787 posts)WA-03 Democrat
(3,055 posts)Solly Mack
(90,787 posts)lol
superpatriotman
(6,252 posts)Or was he simply an agitator to younger, more virile idiots?
Irish_Dem
(47,453 posts)I didn't do what I think is locker room talk.
I was a bit silly and fell asleep a lot.
catbyte
(34,458 posts)I've been on painkillers of one kind or another since 1994 and thoughts such as those have never entered my mind. But I seem to have peculiar body chemistry. I don't recall ever feeling high or silly. The pain just sucks it up. I feel kinda cheated. 😏
Irish_Dem
(47,453 posts)I fell and had a severely fractured spine in several places and surgery and had to have pain killers or I would have been 10/10. Same when I fell and broke my leg and ankle and had to have surgery.
I got yelled at by the Physical Therapists because I would not take pain killers after awhile and could not do my exercises because of the pain.
Yes I feel so good on painkillers, no angry feelings or desire to act out in a destructive way at all. No desire to take down the Capitol or lynch Mike Pence.
catbyte
(34,458 posts)is...normal. Like I don't have to crawl up on the couch in the fetal position, crying, 24/7. I've had 13 bouts of shingles down my right sciatic nerve that's caused permanent nerve damage. It's like a constant, nagging, bad toothache from my spine to the knee that never, ever stops. It's enough to drive you nuts, but you learn to live with it. Have to. Meds dull it but never really goes away.
I'm so glad surgery helped you! Chronic pain can be a soul crusher.
Irish_Dem
(47,453 posts)I also had some special cortisone spine treatments that really helped with my back pain.
I don't know if that is something that would work with your condition.
The injections go right into the spine and the pain is gone in 24 hours.
I am really glad I don't have to take pain meds because I would probably end up like those old people hanging out of cars drugged out.
catbyte
(34,458 posts)it starts aching again once the numbing medication they include with the cortisone wears off. I had an appointment with my pain doc on Monday. We discussed treatment options and agreed that what we're doing right now is about the best we can do.
Irish_Dem
(47,453 posts)And I hope they can come up with something that works in the near future.
Chronic severe pain is really hard, I know.
femmedem
(8,208 posts)You bring us all such joy; I would never have guessed.
Mr.Bill
(24,330 posts)acid trips in the 70s even made me want to overthrow the government.
Vinca
(50,310 posts)Tommy Carcetti
(43,199 posts)Jeez.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Yeah, I was on drugs, that's it! Caldwell is obviously ignorant of just how many guys are sitting in the jug right this very minute who committed their special crimes when they were drunk out of their minds or tripping balls. I'm guessing his lawyers' specialty isn't criminal defense.
kacekwl
(7,022 posts)Access Hollywood excuse. Good luck dipshit. Hope your buddies see what a weak stick you are.
FlyingPiggy
(3,384 posts)And stormed the capitol the next day? He planned a ducking trip over multiple days.
Leghorn21
(13,526 posts)FLASH: Judge has released Thomas Caldwell of Virginia from jail pending future hearings in US Capitol insurrection.
Caldwell is allegedly affiliated with Oath Keepers & is charged with *conspiracy*.
Judge cites evidence Caldwell didn't actually enter Capitol, back injury
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