Did Cuomo Grope a Woman's Breast without Permission?

[MineralMan]

You'd think he'd be smarter than that, however there are a lot of guys who are gropers. I have heard that from many of the women I've known in my life. Just about every woman I know well has experienced some guy groping them at some time or another. For a lot of them, it was during their teen years when they were just started dating.

I don't know Cuomo, so I have no idea if he is a groper or not. I do know that he is not a teenager.

I never was a groper, not even as a teenager. It's just not my style. I either asked or waited until the other person took the initiative and suggested it or physically moved my hand. I can't imagine groping anyone anywhere without actual permission or through the other person's actions.

But, I've heard from almost every woman I know well that they have been groped without permission at some time or another. Their reactions to that varied a lot, of course. But it's a common experience, apparently. My wife told me that a kid in high school groped her on her very first date with him. She said that she told him, "Knock that crap off and take me home." She was already not a person who tolerates such things.

So, I suppose that Cuomo might have done that, but I don't know the man. Such crude behavior on the part of many men is pretty common, from what I understand, though. I hope he didn't and the story is made up. If not, though, then he's plenty old enough to know better than to do that. Since nobody was there except Cuomo and the woman, it's going to be a she said, he said sort of situation.

I just don't know. None of us do.

[Aristus]

1. "Grope" seems to imply a lack of permission.

"Grope" is meant to sound furtive, sneaking, and unwelcome.

[MineralMan]

3. Yes, exactly. It is exactly that.

That's why groping is so offensive a thing to do.

[pnwmom]

34. The last accuser told the reporter Cuomo called her to his mansion to fix a simple

issue on his cell phone. And then when he was alone with her, he stuck his hand up her blouse, without her permission.

And she was upset about it. It was unwelcome.

[Aristus]

35. Exactly.

n/t

[uponit7771]

2. I don't know why people can't wait on an investigation Cuomo is all for investigation no matter how

... many accusations

[MineralMan]

4. How does one investigate whether something happened or didn't happen

with no witnesses present? That's the problem here. She says it did; he says it didn't. No investigation can reveal who is telling the truth, really.

The only investigation would be to see if there is a pattern of behavior, really.

All I'm saying here is that most women could tell you a story of being groped. It happens a lot, sadly.

[uponit7771]

7. Consistency, credibility, falsifiability and verifiable information. It's been done before IINM

[uponit7771]

9. Oh and some men too, there are all kinds of people in America

[MineralMan]

12. Yeah, I suppose so. Never happened to me, though.

[uponit7771]

15. Happened to me mostly from straight hetero males

[MineralMan]

17. Ugh!

I guess I've never understood why people don't respect other people's wishes. Makes no sense to me at all. Golden Rule and like that.

[uponit7771]

32. That's it though, hetero males wouldn't mind be felt up if they were swolt ... lol, human behavior

... science has some really interesting data behind it.

[TexasLefty29]

5. To be honest,

And to not sound SO conspiratorial - there’s a chance these ladies are being paid, so Cuomo can be impeached, and a new governor who will pardon Trump for his Manhattan crimes will be appointed.

I am married to an Italian - and I know how they CAN be.
But I also don’t believe Cuomo is a “bad guy” like that. Not to mention there’s some details that don’t seem to fit - and the one lady (name presently escaping me) sounded scripted - the one on Fox.
He comes from a different time- but he is no “groper”.

[Dem4Life1102]

8. The Lt. Governor of NY is a Democrat

and highly unlikely to pardon Trump.

Is there any evidence that any of Cuomo's accusers are being paid?

[TexasLefty29]

11. I wasn't exactly searching for a cross examination.

Was just making a fully disclaimed, out of the box theory.

The only point I was making is I believe he is innocent.

[Dem4Life1102]

13. Just asking a question

Any credible theory should have an element of fact behind it. Is there any evidence that backs up your theory?

[Just_Vote_Dem]

14. Who would be next person after Lt. Governor? n/t

[Dem4Life1102]

21. President of the State Senate, a democrat

They the Speaker of the Assembly, also a Democrat. Then the Attorney General and Comptroller, both Democrats.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

22. Good, thanks

I hope NY can take some action against Trump sooner than later

[Budi]

18. There's an election in 2022. Knowing how the GOP & NY Trump Org operates,

..what we're witnessing now is easy play considering the full on assault of Blue NY election of 2022
Trump will have his pardon come hell or high water, someday down the road.

The NY Gov is the ONLY way out for Trump.

Whether Cuomo is removed or not, this is the precursor to Election 2022 & it's anyone's ballgame to win, by hook or by crook.
It is NY afterall.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

20. Unless the JD can get him on federal charges n/t

[Budi]

26. That's true. But then I wonder if he covered his ass with a secret pardon.

I was unaware as to the talk of secret pardons, but apparantly they do exist.
Not sure & haven't looked it up either.

So that brings us back to the question of Trump covering all his bases. Something I believe was his main focus before he exited the WH.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

29. Looks like we're not going to stop talking about him for awhile

[Budi]

36. True. I hope someday talk will be how he was magnificently out-maneuvered

He'll have to be completely removed from society to shut him up.

[Dem4Life1102]

25. And is there any evidence of that?

Considering a Republican hasn’t been elected Governor in New York in 19 years, it seems like a long shot.

[Budi]

28. Trump's ass hasn't been on the line as it is now, either.

This is pure bloodsport thru 2022

[Dem4Life1102]

37. But is there any credible evidence that Trump has anything

to do with the accusations against Cuomo?

[Budi]

41. Is there any evidence the accusations are credible?

Even a couple?

That's why Cuomo asked for an investigation.

I do hope at least 3 months of phone & text records are called for.
There is always a point of beginning.

[Dem4Life1102]

42. Don't know

but I’m not claiming that they are. Nor am I making any accusations myself. I’m asking if there is any evidence to back up the accusation that Trump is behind all this?

[ahoysrcsm]

54. I'm sure the AG can subpoena phone records...

Would that include Trump, Roger Stone, or many dozens of cronies? Only they would know.

[Dem4Life1102]

55. Sure the AG can

But only if they can show cause.

[Lancero]

43. No evidence what-so-ever, but alleging economic incentive is a popular MRA...

Attack against sexual assault and harassment claims.

Along with other great hits like, "Why didn't she fight back?", or "Why wait so long to speak up?".

Women. Damned if they speak out, damned if they don't. So much for trusting them, huh?

[Hugh_Lebowski]

6. I think there's a difference between making a mistake in boundaries during a clearly romantic

situation ... I mean, I made the mistake of trying to go a bit 'too fast' once or twice when I was an eager teenager, and even a young adult, misreading the signals. I don't think I ever went wildly over the line, never went straight downtown even without trying a boob touch, for example. But I got it wrong a couple times, I admit. But I was always apologetic and stopped immediately, and never tried to force the issue. I never had a girl get totally mad or slap me or whatnot.

But that's very different IMHO of groping a woman totally outside of a romantic encounter. That's never just a 'mistake', that's aggressive and far more 'wrong' of a thing to do.

[MineralMan]

10. Well, perhaps.

I was brought up to respect people's boundaries, so that's what I did. In most cases, that did not slow things down by very much in those early adolescent years of budding romances and dating. But, I never did anything without permission or being prompted by the other person. Never. Pretty much always, the desire to take the next step was mutual. If not, it didn't happen.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

23. Well, that's nice and so was I. I was very careful, but I'm sure once or twice I made a mistake ...

Certainly never in an aggressive and/or purposeful way. I'm talking honest mistakes for which I was honestly sorry, and did not repeat my mistake.

My point is, the situation in which said 'groping' occurred ... matters ... to ME in terms of my opinion as to how bad of thing it was to do on his part (assuming that it did happen).

Just going around grabbing random women's body parts outside of a romantic encounter is a notably worse breach of acceptable behavior in MY opinion.

Others are free to disagree, of course.

[MineralMan]

39. Yes, the situation matters, for sure.

If a couple is making out somewhere, sometimes one of the two makes a mistake. But, that's usually forgiven if the behavior stops when the other person says no. I may have been too cautious, but that was my style, and I never regretted it or got told to stop doing something. I discovered that the girls I dated were also curious and exploratory, so there was no need to rush things.

Groping someone in any other situation, though, is middle school crap. That happens, too, but generally only in middle school. Not among adults.

[WHITT]

16. So

We're now up to two alleging crimes but not filing police reports.

[MineralMan]

19. Well, here's the thing:

Most women don't report such behavior to the police - or to anyone else, really.

Perhaps they should, but mostly they don't.

[LisaL]

27. Once she went public, she presumably should be able to file a police report.

Otherwise we have people making allegations with no risk for themselves, but trashing the accused.

[Vinca]

24. One thing bothers me about this particular charge: she won't make a statement to the police.

IMO, if you are going public with the knowledge it's going to ruin a guy's life you should be willing to make a statement under penalty of perjury. I know she doesn't have to. Her choice. But we don't have to believe her either.

[LisaL]

33. Yep. It's not a crime to lie to the press or co-workers. It is a crime to lie to the police.

If someone is making public allegations, alleging a crime, then they should be willing to file a police report.

[Budi]

40. And THAT is why Cuomo called for an investigation immediately.

Because he knew it was the appropriate method to handle such accusations.

Good on him

[Grasswire2]

30. that accusation was HEARSAY.

Someone else reported it. And media ran with it from that second-person telling.

So observers should just set that particular one aside. Let's be meticulous here in the politicized atmosphere of the potential pardon of Trump for his state crimes by a new governor.

[Bluesaph]

31. What if trump can blackmail the succession?

Maybe he can’t do anything to Cuomo but it’s possible he has kompromat on someone down the line of succession.

If Cuomo has been SO bad, how did none of this leak in all these years?

[uponit7771]

38. RIGHT !! I just posted about this ! The Russian MO is to beat up on a strong leader in the press wit

... with unverified statements before an investigation is done (or just do a false investigation) then let the candidate that's easier to beat come into office.

By the time James is done prosecuting Putin's Whore I bet there will be some elections coming up

[WarGamer]

44. I caught a hide last week for opining about Cuomo.

[MineralMan]

45. OK...

But, see, I didn't state an opinion one way or another. I said, "I don't know."

See the difference?

[WarGamer]

46. other posts in this thread repeated what got ME hidden...

So I'll just be quiet.

[MineralMan]

47. I have no comment to offer.

I have no idea what was in your post.

[roamer65]

50. I've learned to shut off jury duty during affairs like Cuomo and Franken.

[WarGamer]

52. I likened his purported "acts" to those of a particularly cute pink farm animal and caught the hide

And a Jury judged it to be shit talking a Democrat.

[marked50]

48. This is my story about "groping" and it is not anyway excusing Cuomo

It is only a personal experience that "labeled" me unjustly.

I worked in a Research laboratory with many people, male and female. I was performing a titration in the area of the lab that was in the end of a u-shaped bench- a "cul-de sac". I had a pulled up a chair to sit on while I was doing this work. I had to be attentive the the titration level in the buret. I stood up to check it's progress and when I was satisfied in it's progress I reached behind me, while still watching the progress of the test, to retrieve the chair to sit on. With eye on the buret, I literally started groping for the chair, surprised that it wasn't there, but I touched a fellow lab person on her rear end. She had pulled my chair away from behind me to get into a near cabinet. I was not aware of her presence or the chair movement. She jumped up and called out that she was being groped. I explained my self as best I could but I was labeled thereafter as " The Gropper". Nothing came of it as far as disciplinary action was concerned but it created such conflict in my environment that I eventually had to leave that job.

[LisaL]

49. Removing someone's chair is a very dangerous thing.

You could have sat down without feeling for it and as chair was no longer there, fallen on the floor and broken some bones.

[marked50]

51. Quite frankly, I never thought of it that way. You are right and I should have been

as upset about that as she was about touching her rear end. Learning still happens- that incident was 43 years ago. Thanks