**BREAKING **Schumer and Gillibrand- Cuomo must resign

[DemocratSinceBirth]

[brooklynite]

1. Can we blame Schumer this time? I don't think Gillibrand can handle the double load...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. I have tried to stay out of this thicket

But if we hold ourselves out as the good guys and gals we're going to be held to a higher standard.

[crimycarny]

10. I agree but what is wrong with waiting for an investigation?

Doesn’t being one of the good guys allow for due process as well? It would seem politically smarter to allow for a thorough investigation first and then ask for resignations (or not) based on the findings. If we uphold the law that includes innocent until proven guilty.

[soothsayer]

14. +1000

[W_HAMILTON]

12. Letting an independent investigation run its course...

...is holding ourselves to a higher -- and an appropriate -- standard.

[crimycarny]

24. +1000

Exactly!!!!!! And it shows a party that is measured, fair, and thoughtful versus knee jerk and reactionary.

[smirkymonkey]

70. +1000

[crimycarny]

6. Ugh--didn't they learn ANYTHING from Al Franken?

Stop with the purity parade! “See? We’re the good guys! We’re not like the GOP!” Looks around for confirmation of their holiness while the GOP smirks into their hands and says “it works every time! Finally got rid of one our nightmares and we didn’t have to lift a finger!”

Can’t we wait for the investigation? What about due process?

I’m not bashing the women who complained but an investigation into their accusations is underway so let’s at least wait until we get the findings from that before calling for resignations. I truly don’t get why we can’t wait. What am I missing?

I’ll probably get banned for posting this. God forbid we criticize a Democrat. But I’m criticizing their ACTIONS in this case, not the person. Hopefully we can still do that.

[OnDoutside]

21. That's a good point.

[smirkymonkey]

42. Thank YOU!

[Blue_true]

40. No. I am sure that some will blame Gillibrand alone.

With Franken, she came out against him literally minutes before a big list of people did, that got her never ending hatred from some here.

She has been a longtime sexual harassment, abuse, and assault crusader, she is pissed about the conduct that lead people to do such abominable behavior.

[dsc]

58. While on one level it is unfair to blame only Gillibrand

and I haven't done so, it is fair to point out she wasn't shy about claiming credit when it looked like it was a great idea and that does tend to bite one on the rear end when it isn't such a great idea. But she didn't deserve either all the credit or all the blame.

[Celerity]

91. Both were amongst the last of the NY Congressional delegation to say this

[Treefrog]

2. Wowza. They said the same with Franken. I'm not sure what to think about this.

[Dorian Gray]

15. What to think:

If Cuomo weren't such a jerk, none of this would have happened.

[Treefrog]

23. Hmm, you do have a point there. I didn't want him to resign, but I thought he needed to come clean.

Not sure what to think anymore, but his career is probably finished no matter what happens.

[Dorian Gray]

45. I thought he could get away without resigning too

But now I'm not so sure. We will see .

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

29. There you go... I believe the women. I agree with Schumer... Cuomo needs to go!!

[Blue_true]

44. I am really disappointed that Cuomo is insisting that he absolutely

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won’t resign. I am also disappointed to see the young women that have been brave enough to come forward being attacked.

We are Democrats, turning the other cheek to sexual misconduct by powerful people simply is not part of our makeup. Every young man (especially) and woman (very rare cases) that have their eyes on a public, or private business career need to understand that they need to consistently practice respect for people that work for them, respect in ALL categories. If they want to get laid, find someone that doesn’t work for them and consents.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

54. 1,000+

[brooklynite]

4. Schumer and Gillibrand statement

[50 Shades Of Blue]

5. Doesn't look like things are going to get better for Cuomo. Only worse.

Between the growing number of women coming forward and the nursing home issue, I agree with Schumer and Gillibrand.

[CTyankee]

7. It's sad. I remember his dad, who I liked a lot.

[Thrill]

8. Dems waste no time throwing

Their people under the bus.

Wow just wow

[crimycarny]

17. I truly believe this is why some Democratic voters become unenthusiastic about voting.

We can still be the good guys and support women if we wait for the investigation to complete. There is a miscalculation that having this zero tolerance for any sexual harassment claim is the ethical (and politically correct) position to take. But I think many see it as throwing a fellow Democrat under the bus. If Democratic leaders are willing to throw long standing Democrats under the bus without due process, how can we trust they won’t do the same to those who vote for them? That’s the subliminal message being sent.

If the investigation shows these women’s accusations to be true, then by all means throw the book at Cuomo. But who wants to vote for a party that won’t even allow their fellow Democrat their day in court? Especially after seeing what was done to Al Franken?

I think this is the wrong move and I hope Cuomo stands firm and waits until the investigation completes.

[smirkymonkey]

71. Hear, hear!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

86. Here's what I Don't get about what sounds so fair, " an investigation"

Exactly what is that gonna prove? Say he came on to someone. Is there gonna be a witness to that?

[qazplm135]

25. Cuomo threw himself under a bus

with his behavior over the years, it just turns out the bus was moving really really slowly, until now.

[crimycarny]

73. Ok, then it's his fault there is an investigation

And if it’s shows he did all that he’s accused of he should resign. But the investigation needs to complete first, period. Due process. Innocent until proven guilty. Concepts that used to matter to the Democratic party.

[qazplm135]

77. this isn't a criminal trial

so innocent til proven guilty is not relevant.

Just like proof beyond a reasonable doubt isn't relevant.

Just like you don't need an investigation to believe that 7 and counting women, including some Democrats, aren't all lying.

[crimycarny]

78. Maybe you don't, but I do

I prefer to give the accused a chance to for a full investigation. And I would expect the victims would want that as well, all doubt removed.

Anyone remember the McMartin trial?

[qazplm135]

80. really?

So you think Trump's not guilty yet since no investigation has completed on his sex harassment and other assaults right?

No opinion on that one right?

[crimycarny]

83. Trump's on tape

Literally bragging about grabbing women by the p*ssy.

But to your point, where did I say I thought Cuomo was innocent? I stated the principle our justice system is based on is innocent until proven guilty. What I think about Cuomo or Trumps guilt or innocence is irrelevant...I’m talking about our justice system requires both sides be heard or we are lost.

As vile as I find Trump I would want the same for him. Because it sets an ugly precedent otherwise. You do remember that Pete Buttigieg was accused of sexual abuse, right? Along with Biden and many others. See a pattern? To force people to resign without investigations is to set a very dangerous precedent and this shit will never stop.

IF Cuomo is guilty an investigation will uncover that. Especially an investigation by a badass like AG James.

[qazplm135]

85. this doesnt involve our justice system

there's no judge, no jury, no prosecutor, no court room.

Innocent til proven guilty DOES NOT APPLY here.

You want the same for Trump? really? Two dozen women aren't enough for you?
And yes, this is exactly the situation where the people's opinions are relevant.

[crimycarny]

87. No point in further discussion

I don't care if it's a civil or criminal case, the idea of "justice" still applies.

What difference does it make what my opinion is in regards to Trump? I think he's as guilty as hell, but there are millions of Trump loyalists who believe he's innocent as the driven snow. You say people's opinions are relevant, do you include those Trump loyalists who will go to their dying grave believing in his innocence?

It's PRECISELY because the public has differing opinions that independent investigations need to be done. Period.

[qazplm135]

88. are Trumpers going to be voting for him?

nope. We are, Dems. So yeah, what Dems think matters.

Justice doesn't mean innocent til proven guilty or any of that other stuff in this context. That's the problem, using the wrong metrics.

[crimycarny]

89. What in the world are you talking about?

I truly don't understand what you are talking about at this point.

An man's guilt or innocence is determined by the facts, not by people's opinions (regardless of whether or not they would vote for him--I truly don't get the point you are trying to make with that).

[radius777]

90. A parade of women was trotted out to take down Biden,

good thing he stood strong or else Trump would still be president.

[qazplm135]

93. Parade?

No, one.

There was Reade. And her story had holes with no other women coming forward. And it was decades old with no corroboration.

Which is why the claim against Biden wasn't credible.

Cuomo has 7 credible, relatively recent claims with actual photo evidence.

Comparing the two is a nonstarter.

[radius777]

94. Yes, a parade. During the primaries there were several women

who 'suddenly' emerged claiming Biden sniffed their hair, hugged them etc. Lucy Flores was the first. Tara Reade was also one of them in that 'batch' of accusers. Only later on once Biden was close to securing the nomination did Reade 'expand' on her claims.

Here is a reputable article on the topic, detailing each claim:
https://www.thecut.com/2020/04/joe-biden-accuser-accusations-allegations.html

All major news outlets picked up on this story, both the earlier 'parade' and also on the later more fantastical Reade stuff.

The media never has the interests of Dems at heart - that should be entirely clear by what happened to Biden.

[qazplm135]

95. that's not REMOTELY

the same as either what Reade claimed or what the Cuomo women are claiming.

None of the women went past Biden being a little too handsy, which he's well known for and there's no one who thought there was malice or sexual gratification involved, including the women.

Cuomo is much, much different.

The loyalty and defense Cuomo seems to get around here is quite revealing.

[radius777]

99. Um, you seem unfamiliar with the topic. It was a major story

during the primaries. Several of the women did indeed claim that Biden acted in a sexual way and made them feel uncomfortable. And the media did present as a MeToo type of moment:

https://www.thecut.com/2020/04/joe-biden-accuser-accusations-allegations.html
On March 29, in the aforementioned essay published on the Cut, former Nevada lieutenant governor nominee Lucy Flores alleged that Biden smelled her hair and gave her “a big slow kiss” on the back of her head at an event for her 2014 campaign. In that moment, she wrote, she felt “embarrassed” and “shocked.”

“I wanted nothing more than to get Biden away from me,” she continued. In response to the essay, Biden claimed that he had no memory of having “acted inappropriately,” but added that if he was in the wrong, he would “listen respectfully.”

...
In the same Times report, a woman named Caitlyn Caruso claimed that after sharing the story of her sexual assault at a University of Nevada event in 2016, Biden hugged her “just a little bit too long” and laid his hand on her thigh.

“It doesn’t even really cross your mind that such a person would dare perpetuate harm like that,” she told the Times. “These are supposed to be people you can trust.”

....
In the same Post report, Vail Kohnert-Yount alleged that when she was a White House intern in the spring of 2013, Biden “put his hand on the back of [her] head and pressed his forehead to [her] forehead” when he introduced himself, and that he called her a “pretty girl.” She was “so shocked,” she said, “that it was hard to focus on what he was saying.” Though she told the Post that she doesn’t believe Biden’s conduct constituted sexual misconduct, she described it as “the kind of inappropriate behavior that makes many women feel uncomfortable and unequal in the workplace.”

Good thing Biden fought back otherwise Trump would be president.

The AG will investigate Cuomo and let the facts show the way. But he should not be run out of office like Franken was. It sets a terrible standard for Dems - one the media does not hold Repubs to.

[qazplm135]

100. Those are nowhere near

Cuomo's no matter how you try to spin it and who cares about the standards for Republicans, we are supposed to be at a higher standard.

[Raine]

38. He did it to himself, he deserves to be under the bus! nt

[Generic Brad]

62. So the investigation is over?

You're 100% sure about that?

[crimycarny]

74. Aaaaand--hence the investigation

Let it complete.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

9. Huh.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

11. Who are the big players that want Cuomo out and why ? This still feels like Franken

I'm not talking our side, im talking dark side ??????


I am not in any way accepting what he did either. we all know better and these happened recently.

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

18. Makes you wonder who wants him out of the picture, doesn't it? He is being purged

[qazplm135]

26. I want him out of the picture

leaders don't act that way.

[Blue_true]

48. There appears to be mounting evidence that the guy abused the power

that he had over young women who were likely working in their first job, trying to make society better and likely viewing him as a hero before working for him. To take liberal young women and betray their belief in what our party and politicians stands for is totally unacceptable, anyone that appears to be responsible for that betrayal don’t have a place as a Democratic Party politician.

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

57. Well as far as the allegations, he's sticking with deny, deny, deny, I did nothing wrong. We'll see

[Blue_true]

60. What he is doing is not unexpected. In fact, it is a common tactic that is used.

Time will tell. But for me, as more liberal young women come forward to recount their experiences with him, time is not on his side. Some will talk about guilty people being convicted, but in all those cases it was prosecutors purposely with-holding information that pointed to a defendant’s innocence, or the defendant was represented by an incompetent or indifferent attorney.

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

64. "People know the difference between playing politics and bowing to cancel culture", game on

[brooklynite]

63. Who are the big players? Everyone...

Mayor De Blasio
Majority Leader Stewart-Cousins
Assembly Should Speaker Heastie
60 members of the Senate and Assembly
10 members of the US House

[Lucinda]

13. No. investigate then consequences. Every time. n/t

[MisterNiceKitty]

46. Yes, set a precedent for once.

[crimycarny]

75. +1000

Let’s allow due process. That used to matter to this party.

[dalton99a]

16. Hey, Chuck, you might be next.

[BannonsLiver]

84. Promise?

[OnDoutside]

19. Dj vu.

[BigmanPigman]

20. I just heard it on MSNBC.

First thought..."Oh no, not Gillabrand AGAIN! Haven't we learned anything with Franken?".

Wait for an investigation. Geez.....

[roamer65]

22. It's a state office.

The federal office holders have no say in the matter.

Stay in your lane, Schumer and Gillibrand.

[dalton99a]

27. +1.

[MisterNiceKitty]

47. ++1

[tritsofme]

61. Oh please.

[brooklynite]

82. They're expressing an opinion...like you are.

[UTUSN]

28. Lemme see, one of my sinks-like-a-rock threads, castigated and lambasted. Dated back to 3-6

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215193676

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. Not a hill I would die on. I am reminded of the Biblical admonition.

"For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

I ask myself how I would I feel it was a Republican

[UTUSN]

35. I'm all for judging. I'm Democratic for and because of the agenda, not

because of any one person. Love my true Dems (F&E Roosevelt, HST). lovingly spank my more flawed Dems (LBJ), but if they really screw up the Dem card is shredded, these days on the spot.

Not getting which hill you are or are not dying on here.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. "Not getting which hill you are or are not dying on here."

Saying he should stay or go.

[Blue_true]

52. FDR and JFK were rabid womanizers.

They likely “touched” many women inappropriately during their time and potentially bedded a few that didn’t have the means to tell them what they could go fuck. But society accepted such nonsense then, but not now. The issue that people in power must realize is that they can’t have even a hint of impropriety toward underlings. That doesn’t mean that they refuse to hire women or men (or same sex if they are Gay), what it means is that they must be aware of limits and know not to cross them.

[raptor_rider]

31. So the killing of 1000's in nursing homes

Didn’t have the push asking for resignation... SMFH 🤦🏼‍♀️

[crimycarny]

32. Just had an insight into why this has triggered me

The last 4 years has been nothing but bullying by the GOP, watching them skirt the law and bend (break) the rules to their favor. Basically run circles around their Democratic colleagues.

This feels like more of the same but we’re doing it to ourselves. For once I want to see the law followed (due process) versus political pressure winning the day. Can we just, for once, let the wheels of justice run their course?

[smirkymonkey]

41. +1000

[helpisontheway]

33. Ignore them and wait for an investigation. Nt

[dustyscamp]

34. If he is found at fault for the nursing home deaths and if any of these sexual assaults are found

to be true I think Cuomo should not only resign, but pay a hefty fine. After all this is said and done I think it's best that he doesn't seek reelection anyway.

[smirkymonkey]

39. Ugh! Effing Gillebrand again!

She keeps popping up in these cases like a bad penny. Can she at least wait for the investigation before rushing to judgement?

[Kaleva]

49. Same with AOC and others

"AOC, Chuck Schumer, and 11 other NY lawmakers call for Gov. Andrew Cuomo's resignations amid 'alarming' sexual misconduct allegations"

https://news.yahoo.com/aoc-7-other-ny-lawmakers-155913533.html

[Blue_true]

55. She has been a longtime women in the workplace supporter.

She seem to despise abuse of power that is sexual in nature. She is being true to what she stands for.

Honestly, I would like to see her run for Governor of New York State, I believe that she would be excellent in that job and would usher in much needed change around how the state deals with sexual harassment, assault and rape.

[smirkymonkey]

69. I agree with that too, but this just smacks of a hit job.

Can't they at least wait for an investigation before piling on one of their own?

[MrsCoffee]

65. Ugh! Effing Schumer Again!

In fact, Franken says Schumer not only called for but forced him to resign. But we don't go after Schumer for that do we?

Funny how that fucking works.

[Treefrog]

66. It is kind of funny isn't it? Wonder what the difference is here? Hmm.

[smirkymonkey]

68. I wasn't aware about Schumer the last time, but yes, effing Schumer again.

I agree.

[MrsCoffee]

72. Now you are just making my point for me.

[brooklynite]

81. How interesting that you didn't blame Schumer...

...who took the same position on Franken (along with almost every other Democratic Senator).

[Celerity]

92. She and Schumer were close to the LAST of the NY Congressional delegation to come out and say this

[Raine]

43. The WORST is what happened in the nursing homes ...

people DIED, absolutely shameful!

[JanMichael]

50. The hyphen should be an ampersand. nt

[Thrill]

51. Learned nothing from Al Franken

There goes Gillibrand again.

Republicans can’t wait to get a Republican as Governor of this state. Pardon For Trump coming soon.

[Kaleva]

53. Dems easily held on to Franken's seat.

New York, being bluer then Minnesota, would be a tough job for any Repub running for governor 2 years from now and who is seen as Trump friendly. Especially when on considers Trump got less then 38% of the vote in New York

[Blue_true]

56. Bingo.

The situation doesn’t look good for Cuomo. The nursing home issue, and now a growing list of young women stepping forward accusing him of sexual impropriety.

[crimycarny]

76. But Franken was a major loss to the party

Despite keeping the seat. Why do you think the GOP did a hit job on him? Because he was one of the Dems strongest weapons. But the GOP made us do their dirty work which we were all too willing to oblige. Without so much as an investigation.

[Kaleva]

96. Was he? From what I've read, Tina Smith is a highly regarded Senator.

While Senator Smith will probably never be the household name Al Franken is, it appears that Senator Smith is an excellent Senator who does her job well.

Unlike Repubs, we have a deep bench.

[Dem4Life1102]

98. Smith isn't

a male TV celebrity.

[Dem4Life1102]

67. What about Schumer?

Why ignore him and his role in Franken’s resignation?

[Celerity]

101. +1

Same old same old.

[Polybius]

79. The only Republican that can win in NY is George Pataki

And he's not running again.

[dsc]

59. I think there should be an investigation

and let the chips fall where they may. It really looks bad on both counts (the nursing home and the sexual harassment) but I fail to see why the people of NY shouldn't get due process here. It is their choice which people are attempting to undermine and it is thus them who deserve to have due process before that is done to them.

[Hekate]

97. Put down the circular firing squad rifles until the Investigation is done, please

[LetMyPeopleVote]

102. Here is some interesting polling

Link to tweet