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"Supposably" (Original Post) Nevilledog Mar 2021 OP
No. Just no. CTyankee Mar 2021 #1
Destroying the English language Cirque du So-What Mar 2021 #2
"The problem with defending the purity of the English language.... A HERETIC I AM Mar 2021 #9
I'm aware of that Cirque du So-What Mar 2021 #11
It's a word that's been around since the early 1800s. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #13
I don't like it Cirque du So-What Mar 2021 #17
Why not? WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #19
I'm starting to come around... Cirque du So-What Mar 2021 #22
Yeah, I posted that further down. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #23
I'm not that hidebound Cirque du So-What Mar 2021 #26
I used to get annoyed until I deliberately let it go when I realized I still knew what people WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #35
Supposedly csziggy Mar 2021 #39
I feel the same way about "Chomping at the bit" A HERETIC I AM Mar 2021 #29
I've modified my stance (as demonstrated elsewhere in this thread) Cirque du So-What Mar 2021 #30
Where you at? Drives me crazy. LakeArenal Mar 2021 #33
The response is... jcgoldie Mar 2021 #47
A joke Cirque du So-What Mar 2021 #49
This is a joke, yes??? niyad Mar 2021 #3
I know a few people that use it. I figured it was a Southern thing nt AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2021 #24
Change happens. But don't worry, word snobs, this is just some online dictionary that cobbles its WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #4
Nope Merriam Webster considers it a real word csziggy Mar 2021 #43
Yeah, I added that further down. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #46
Doesn't "supposedly" Pantagruel Mar 2021 #5
Wonder what OED says?? niyad Mar 2021 #6
My Compact OED has it as an adverb of "supposable" csziggy Mar 2021 #48
Thank you for this. It still grates on the ear. niyad Mar 2021 #54
Webster wept. nt intrepidity Mar 2021 #7
+1 soothsayer Mar 2021 #18
In addition, "supposably" is a word in Merriam-Webster, and has been in use since the early 1800s. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #8
I find this new word to be entirely cromulent. n/t Dagstead Bumwood Mar 2021 #10
Indubitably, my dear Dagstead Bumwood. displacedtexan Mar 2021 #20
For all intensive purposes, this is an abasement of the English language. Aristus Mar 2021 #12
Haha! I see what you did there! Very good! Treefrog Mar 2021 #16
But it can't hold a camel to supposedly! displacedtexan Mar 2021 #21
I had no ideal! Buckeye_Democrat Mar 2021 #14
I'm older then you. Kingofalldems Mar 2021 #15
I'm voting it came from people who don't know how to pronounce supposedly. HUAJIAO Mar 2021 #25
Because people cannot annunciate "supposedly". Caliman73 Mar 2021 #27
axe me a different question... WarGamer Mar 2021 #41
This should not of been done. johnp3907 Mar 2021 #28
Sarah Palin, is that you? rsdsharp Mar 2021 #31
Jebus wept. MineralMan Mar 2021 #32
Why??? It's wrong! Blaukraut Mar 2021 #34
It's been in a dictionary since the early 1800s. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #37
But people use it in the wrong context. Blaukraut Mar 2021 #42
irregardless of dictionary.com's opinion, that ain't no word. Takket Mar 2021 #36
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Maru Kitteh Mar 2021 #38
Dumbing down the English language... WarGamer Mar 2021 #40
well shit. jcgoldie Mar 2021 #44
Yeah jcboon Mar 2021 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author LibfromtheNorth Mar 2021 #45
I hated when impact became a verb Silver Swan Mar 2021 #51
Maybe next we can add "Liberry" and "Chimbley". mackdaddy Mar 2021 #52
Spusobaly Chautauquas Mar 2021 #53
No. Just no. mcar Mar 2021 #55
Well, they done did it dalton99a Mar 2021 #56

A HERETIC I AM

(24,366 posts)
9. "The problem with defending the purity of the English language....
Fri Mar 12, 2021, 07:08 PM
Mar 2021

is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.”


― James D. Nicoll

Cirque du So-What

(25,932 posts)
11. I'm aware of that
Fri Mar 12, 2021, 07:12 PM
Mar 2021

but we've got a perfectly good word already. We don't need a bastardized version of the same word competing against the accepted version - especially when it's so sloppy as this one is.

Cirque du So-What

(25,932 posts)
22. I'm starting to come around...
Fri Mar 12, 2021, 07:25 PM
Mar 2021

I just found this:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/supposably-vs-supposedly#:~:text=Supposably%20means%20%22as%20may%20be,intends%20to%20say%20%22supposedly.%22&text=The%20two%20words%20have%20distinct%20meanings.

A common complaint about this word is that it is simply a mistaken use of supposedly. Sometimes this is the case, and sometimes it is not. Supposably may be found as far back as the 17th century. It is rarely encountered over the next hundred or so years, but at the beginning of the 19th century we see much more evidence of it being used.

(snip)

What does supposably mean? That’s where things get a bit tricky. In most early uses supposably appears to have a meaning that is distinct from supposedly, having the intended meaning of “capable of being conceived of.” Many people who use the word today, however, appear to intend it to mean something that is much closer to supposedly (“allegedly”). This modern sense bothers some people.

It is simple enough to point out that supposably and supposedly are just the adverbial forms of the adjectives supposable and supposed. However, when you consider that the definition of supposable is “capable of being supposed” (as well as “conceivable”) it is easy to see how these two words have a degree of overlap.

So in summation: supposably is a word, it has a meaning (“as may be conceived or imagined”) that is distinct from most uses of supposedly, but most people who use it nowadays might be better served by using supposedly instead. Now go take your dictionary pants off before they begin to chafe.


I'll continue to use 'supposedly' most of the time, but I won't chafe at 'supposably,' unless it's used incorrectly.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,327 posts)
23. Yeah, I posted that further down.
Fri Mar 12, 2021, 07:25 PM
Mar 2021

I do find it fascinating when people treat language as something that must be gatekept.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,327 posts)
35. I used to get annoyed until I deliberately let it go when I realized I still knew what people
Fri Mar 12, 2021, 09:56 PM
Mar 2021

were trying to say when they used the word. And I say this as a professional writer/editor.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,366 posts)
29. I feel the same way about "Chomping at the bit"
Fri Mar 12, 2021, 07:42 PM
Mar 2021

When horses don’t fucking “chomp” at the bit, they “champ” a bit.

Understanding that’s a phrase and not a word, so how about “Irregardless”?

I agree with you, frankly. We already had a perfectly good word.

I think a lot of word modification is due short cutting, and the English and the Aussies are particularly good at that.

“Telly”

“Pub” (Short for “Public House”)

“Ute” (Aussie for “Utility vehicle”, mostly what we in the states know as a Ford Ranchero or a Chevy El Camino)

And on and on.....

Cirque du So-What

(25,932 posts)
30. I've modified my stance (as demonstrated elsewhere in this thread)
Fri Mar 12, 2021, 07:47 PM
Mar 2021

It's conditional on whether the person uses 'supposably' correctly.

You know what gets me? 'Tow the line.' It's 'TOE the line!'

Cirque du So-What

(25,932 posts)
49. A joke
Fri Mar 12, 2021, 10:14 PM
Mar 2021

Guy from a western state gets a scholarship to an ivy-league school. His first day on campus, he's looking for the library. He asks a passerby:

New guy on campus: 'Excuse me, but can you tell me where the library is at?'

Snooty snob: 'From what cretinous backwater did you emerge? Don't you know that you never end a sentence with a preposition? Ask the question properly and I will provide the answer.'

New guy: 'I'm sorry. Can you tell me where the library is at, ASSHOLE !?!'

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,327 posts)
4. Change happens. But don't worry, word snobs, this is just some online dictionary that cobbles its
Fri Mar 12, 2021, 07:07 PM
Mar 2021

word list from several others, not a venerated tome.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
43. Nope Merriam Webster considers it a real word
Fri Mar 12, 2021, 10:05 PM
Mar 2021
'Supposably' vs. 'Supposedly'
They're both real. But which are you supposed to use?

What to Know

Supposably is a real word and separate from supposedly. Supposably means "as may be conceived or imagined" and is the adverb form of supposable, which means "capable of being supposed or conceived." On the other hand, supposedly usually means "allegedly." The words are often conflated when one usually intends to say "supposedly."

{SNIP}

Supposably and Supposedly Are Different Words

A common complaint about this word is that it is simply a mistaken use of supposedly. Sometimes this is the case, and sometimes it is not. Supposably may be found as far back as the 17th century. It is rarely encountered over the next hundred or so years, but at the beginning of the 19th century we see much more evidence of it being used.

I observe two grand defects in this Reply; One, that 'tis not supposably legal, that all the Tenants in the Mannor can by Legal Forms of Judgment dispossess a Lawful, and possess a wrong Person into the Lordship of a Mannor, because these Tenants are not Judges in Law.
—Samuel Hill, A Debate on the Justice and Piety of the Present Constitution, 1696

If we find the bdellium of a passage supposably written in Kedem, is hardly to be explained by any production of Arabia, or Palestine, where is the impropriety of inquiring whether it may not be a well known article in Kedem?
—Scripture Illustrated, 1814


More: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/supposably-vs-supposedly

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
48. My Compact OED has it as an adverb of "supposable"
Fri Mar 12, 2021, 10:13 PM
Mar 2021

Which is defined as "Capable of being supposed"

"Hence supposably adv. (Chiefly U.S.) as may be supposed; presumably." p. 3168, The Compact Edition of the Oxford English Dictionary, Vlume II P-Z, Oxford University Press 1971.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,327 posts)
8. In addition, "supposably" is a word in Merriam-Webster, and has been in use since the early 1800s.
Fri Mar 12, 2021, 07:08 PM
Mar 2021
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/supposably-vs-supposedly

What does supposably mean? That’s where things get a bit tricky. In most early uses supposably appears to have a meaning that is distinct from supposedly, having the intended meaning of “capable of being conceived of.” Many people who use the word today, however, appear to intend it to mean something that is much closer to supposedly (“allegedly”). This modern sense bothers some people.

It is simple enough to point out that supposably and supposedly are just the adverbial forms of the adjectives supposable and supposed. However, when you consider that the definition of supposable is “capable of being supposed” (as well as “conceivable”) it is easy to see how these two words have a degree of overlap.

So in summation: supposably is a word, it has a meaning (“as may be conceived or imagined”) that is distinct from most uses of supposedly, but most people who use it nowadays might be better served by using supposedly instead. Now go take your dictionary pants off before they begin to chafe.

Caliman73

(11,732 posts)
27. Because people cannot annunciate "supposedly".
Fri Mar 12, 2021, 07:30 PM
Mar 2021

Was "sangwich" also added as a new word, to mean a food which consists of an ingredient, either meat, vegetable, or a spread like peanut butter between two slices of bread.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
34. Why??? It's wrong!
Fri Mar 12, 2021, 09:54 PM
Mar 2021

Ugh. As a German whose second language is English, I have always taken particular care to about spelling, grammar, and proper usage of words. This word is just wrong. There is no reason to add it to a dictionary. Just teach people to use the correct word instead.

Maru Kitteh

(28,339 posts)
38. nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Fri Mar 12, 2021, 09:57 PM
Mar 2021

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jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
44. well shit.
Fri Mar 12, 2021, 10:07 PM
Mar 2021

Do we really want to live in a world where when enough people say shit wrong we just say "ok fuck it, you win." ?

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