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It was revealed that a recording of the damning 6-minute phone call between Trump and Georgian election official Frances Watson published recently by The WSJ was believed not to exist, and was recently located in Watson's "trash" folder.
They're checking trash folders, Donald.
9:29 AM · Mar 13, 2021
I wanna know who put it in the trash folder, trying to destroy evidence.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,167 posts).
Constant incremental backups to a protected WORM system.
You know, shit that's been in place in most state government's for the past 20 years.
This is especially true for people employed to sensitive positions. Same with the voice system.
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GB_RN
(2,330 posts)Then the computer has a local hard drive, and the trash folder will be located there - under the users profile - and not on the network/shared drive(s) that is/are located on a server and get backed up constantly.
I was a Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer/Cisco Certified Network Engineer and managed computer networks/hardware before I went to nursing school.
getagrip_already
(14,618 posts)that's not how gov't security works on either laptops nor workstations. Users have no ability to permanently delete anything. Not from email, and not from their files or folders.
Everything is journaled. Moreso in classified environments like state. All actions are tracked by your cac card id. It's not like corporate america or consumer environments in any respect.
PatSeg
(47,259 posts)Cirque du So-What
(25,908 posts)Sugar Smack
(18,748 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Hello, Don? Joe. Say, did you see I swore in my Attorney General this week? I think you know him. Or you'll get a chance to make his acquaintance real soon. Well, you have a nice day. Bye, Don."
ProfessorGAC
(64,847 posts)C_U_L8R
(44,986 posts)iluvtennis
(19,833 posts)had to respond to police subpoenas for contacts, photos, etc.
CaptainTruth
(6,573 posts)CrispyQ
(36,420 posts)Nevilledog
(51,002 posts)mjvpi
(1,387 posts)catrose
(5,059 posts)Turns out not writing letters was not the brilliant strategy once imagined.
Blue Owl
(50,256 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,241 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,559 posts)it doesn't speak highly of their intelligence, either. Finding the porous spots in that regime cannot be that difficult.
spudspud
(511 posts)Thinking that throwing a file in the trash bin in Windows means it's deleted is an epic fail. And lazy.
niyad
(113,049 posts)CaptainTruth
(6,573 posts)I could never get him to talk in any detail about what they could do, & I respected that.
I never wanted to let him near my computers, just imagine the pranks he could play, making small changes that could drive you nuts & you'd never figure out how to undo it.
Occasionally he would also drive an FBI surveillance van home & it would be parked in his driveway. (Yes, a nondescript white Ford van.) Of course there was the running "oh great, now you can show me the inside of the van" joke, but I never got a peek.
getagrip_already
(14,618 posts)It's very technical and painstaking but not especially classified. The fbi does get involved in espionage and hacking, but it's mostly analysis rather than active exploits. The really spooky attack stuff is done elsewhere.
I suspect this recovery was more mundane than it sounds. If it was a guv system, it only looks like you delete something. Users don't have the ability to permanently delete anything. You just have to look for it.
That's not to say information can't be permanently destroyed, it's just not within an end users rights to do it.
UpInArms
(51,280 posts)when she was on vacation ...
She was devastated, as that was where she had stored all her digital pictures ... and her daughter had passed away ... she was in tears ...
I bought a program that reads all the information behind any format and recovered all her pictures and company records ...
She was thrilled
niyad
(113,049 posts)UpInArms
(51,280 posts)In late 2010, her business (and one entire side of our town square burned to the ground ...
She lost everything in the building ... and was sitting in front of city hall watching it burn (we had 12 fire departments trying to contain the fire).
I had filed her computer contents in a book ... I made another copy of what I had for her ... she was grateful (again).
A lovely woman ... I still miss her ... she passed away from an aneurysm in 2016.
Wednesdays
(17,311 posts)And was it expensive?
Asking for a friend.
UpInArms
(51,280 posts)I bought sometime in 2007 or 08 ... was about $45 ...
Here is what is out there now
https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-data-recovery-software
It was pretty simple to use
CloudWatcher
(1,845 posts)Is prison time indicated for violations of the Official Records Act? I though all Presidential communications were supposed to be archived.
Asking for a fiend.
Beartracks
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CloudWatcher
(1,845 posts)Old one from Boris Badenov. Seemed to fit here
dchill
(38,437 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)System in Georgia that has trash folders?
FSogol
(45,446 posts)Essentially, it works like a computer, not like a landline.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)mnmoderatedem
(3,722 posts)whenever I think of trump, a trash bin always comes to mind.
CaptainTruth
(6,573 posts)...or in my case (now) the Recycle Bin folder.
I'm the kind of person that for years has built my PCs, set them up so they're stable & running as efficiently as I can make them, & then kept them in that fixed, reliable state. That comes from too many experiences in the "early days" where an upgrade left me with a PC that wouldn't boot, especially when I set my machines up as dual-boot, so I could boot into 2 different environments, loading different sets of drivers & running different software in each environment.
Anyway, a couple years ago I finally retired my old Win XP SP3 PC (which still runs like a champ today) & upgraded to a new PC with Win 10. As part of the upgrade I copied all files onto the new PC, then went through a cleanup process of organizing old files into archival folders, then moving all the archive files, my audio audio/music library, & years of pics/graphics files onto my network server. Of course in the process of moving those files they were "deleted" from my PC. I didn't think much about it until about a year later when I happened to look at my Recycle Bin folder & saw over 39,000 files in it, taking up I forget how many gigs of space! I LOLd.
I was old school. I was the old guy saying "When I was a kid, when you deleted a file it got deleted, & if you wanted it back you had to use an "undelete" utility, & hope the file hadn't been written over, & manually fill in the first few letters of the filename, & you had to do it barefoot, in the snow, uphill, both ways."
ProfessorGAC
(64,847 posts)Enjoyable to read.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)Deleted data can be retrieved from a hard drive.
Simply deleting a file - even bypassing the Windows recycle Bin - still leaves the raw data on the hard drive - only the pointers that tell were the data is located on the disk are deleted in that case.
Secure data deletion programs will actually write all '0000's' to the disk, thus actually overwriting the raw data.
Caveat is that one pass will most likely allow sensitive (and expensive) tools to dig deeper into the magnetic stripes and read what data is hidden under the '0000's'. To really delete all data, and lower the magnetic field strength of the old data low enough so the most sensitive tool cannot read it, several passes - I think 7 or more - of writing all '0000's' are required. On large drives this process can take hours if not days.
Joinfortmill
(14,386 posts)Grammy23
(5,810 posts)does not mean it is gone like forever???
tRump (under his breath): Woe is me. Im cooked. 😖
Me: 😜😂😂😂😂🤪
smb
(3,471 posts)TlalocW
(15,373 posts)We've already heard where he's asking them to find thousands of votes for him?
TlalocW
soldierant
(6,790 posts)the one we've all heard about was about finding votes. This one was more about erasing voters.
TlalocW
(15,373 posts)*drums fingers together* Delicious.
TlalocW
orangecrush
(19,403 posts)soldierant
(6,790 posts)Well, someone too dun=mb to epmty trash. And MUCH too dumb to consider defrag
and wiping free space.
Or, alternatively, someone who wanted it found.
Layzeebeaver
(1,613 posts)onetexan
(13,020 posts)wonder what the motive for trying to delete the recording was...and who directed her to. I wouldn't think it was Raffensberger as he's been quite transparent and told the con himself the election was free of fraud.