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Nevilledog

(51,002 posts)
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 12:49 PM Mar 2021

"They're checking trash folders, Donald."



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It was revealed that a recording of the damning 6-minute phone call between Trump and Georgian election official Frances Watson published recently by The WSJ was believed not to exist, and was recently located in Watson's "trash" folder.

They're checking trash folders, Donald.
9:29 AM · Mar 13, 2021




I wanna know who put it in the trash folder, trying to destroy evidence.
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"They're checking trash folders, Donald." (Original Post) Nevilledog Mar 2021 OP
I wanna know too soothsayer Mar 2021 #1
Govenment systems should be backing up files on the fly, once the initial sweep is performed. TheBlackAdder Mar 2021 #2
Unless You're Running True Dummy Terminals GB_RN Mar 2021 #31
not true at all in gov't systems... getagrip_already Mar 2021 #41
Oopsy! PatSeg Mar 2021 #3
Lordy, there be tapes! Cirque du So-What Mar 2021 #4
***Helpless laughter*** Sugar Smack Mar 2021 #13
*Ring Ring* gratuitous Mar 2021 #5
+1 (nt) ProfessorGAC Mar 2021 #27
The cloud never forgets C_U_L8R Mar 2021 #6
And the cloud can be subpoenaed. Work at smartphone company in early 2000's and we iluvtennis Mar 2021 #9
Rock-n-Roll, & the cloud, never forgets. CaptainTruth Mar 2021 #23
When are these people going to learn that in the digital age, privacy is dead. CrispyQ Mar 2021 #7
Perfect Nevilledog Mar 2021 #8
Do you do needle point? mjvpi Mar 2021 #11
My mother used to say, "Don't put anything in a letter that you don't want to read in the newspaper. catrose Mar 2021 #32
Don't forget to burn the email printouts, stable genius Blue Owl Mar 2021 #10
OMG that's perfect! Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2021 #48
As crooked as this looks (and probably IS), BobTheSubgenius Mar 2021 #12
Agreed. spudspud Mar 2021 #16
Even emptying the trash. . . Things can be retrieved by experts. niyad Mar 2021 #19
I had a neighbor who did computer forensics for the FBI. CaptainTruth Mar 2021 #26
the fbi does mostly run of the mill forensics.... getagrip_already Mar 2021 #42
I had a friend who had an employee "format" her computer hard drive UpInArms Mar 2021 #43
Oh, I am so glad that you were able to rescue her memories for her. niyad Mar 2021 #44
Actually, I did it for her twice UpInArms Mar 2021 #45
What program did you use for recovery? Wednesdays Mar 2021 #46
I cannot remember the program UpInArms Mar 2021 #47
Official Records Act CloudWatcher Mar 2021 #14
I see what you did there. Beartracks Mar 2021 #17
Credit to Jay Ward CloudWatcher Mar 2021 #30
SHHhhhh! dchill Mar 2021 #15
Huh? So we're talking some kind of phone recording Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2021 #18
Most corporate and goverment phone systems are VOIP these days. FSogol Mar 2021 #22
Wish trump's cell phone was on it. We'd be able to put him away forever. Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2021 #25
makes sense mnmoderatedem Mar 2021 #20
Funny story about myself & the Trash folder.... CaptainTruth Mar 2021 #21
Good Story! ProfessorGAC Mar 2021 #28
Yup. Most don't realize that unless you use an NSA approved wiping protocol Tommymac Mar 2021 #35
Nail, the traitor. Joinfortmill Mar 2021 #24
Wait! Just because you delete something Grammy23 Mar 2021 #29
"But We Wiped The Servers! With A Cloth!!" nt smb Mar 2021 #33
Is this different than the phone call TlalocW Mar 2021 #34
Yes, it is similar but is not the same call. soldierant Mar 2021 #38
Oooooh... TlalocW Mar 2021 #39
KICK orangecrush Mar 2021 #36
"I wanna know who put it in the trash folder, trying to destroy evidence." soldierant Mar 2021 #37
Can anyone confirm who's trash bin it was in? Layzeebeaver Mar 2021 #40
so this Frances Watson..assuming she is a GOP and it was her trash folder onetexan Mar 2021 #49

TheBlackAdder

(28,167 posts)
2. Govenment systems should be backing up files on the fly, once the initial sweep is performed.
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 12:53 PM
Mar 2021

.

Constant incremental backups to a protected WORM system.

You know, shit that's been in place in most state government's for the past 20 years.

This is especially true for people employed to sensitive positions. Same with the voice system.

.

GB_RN

(2,330 posts)
31. Unless You're Running True Dummy Terminals
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 07:52 PM
Mar 2021

Then the computer has a local hard drive, and the trash folder will be located there - under the user’s profile - and not on the network/shared drive(s) that is/are located on a server and get backed up constantly.

I was a Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer/Cisco Certified Network Engineer and managed computer networks/hardware before I went to nursing school.

getagrip_already

(14,618 posts)
41. not true at all in gov't systems...
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 10:32 AM
Mar 2021

that's not how gov't security works on either laptops nor workstations. Users have no ability to permanently delete anything. Not from email, and not from their files or folders.

Everything is journaled. Moreso in classified environments like state. All actions are tracked by your cac card id. It's not like corporate america or consumer environments in any respect.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
5. *Ring Ring*
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 01:03 PM
Mar 2021

Hello, Don? Joe. Say, did you see I swore in my Attorney General this week? I think you know him. Or you'll get a chance to make his acquaintance real soon. Well, you have a nice day. Bye, Don."

iluvtennis

(19,833 posts)
9. And the cloud can be subpoenaed. Work at smartphone company in early 2000's and we
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 01:14 PM
Mar 2021

had to respond to police subpoenas for contacts, photos, etc.

catrose

(5,059 posts)
32. My mother used to say, "Don't put anything in a letter that you don't want to read in the newspaper.
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 08:23 PM
Mar 2021

Turns out not writing letters was not the brilliant strategy once imagined.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,559 posts)
12. As crooked as this looks (and probably IS),
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 01:47 PM
Mar 2021

it doesn't speak highly of their intelligence, either. Finding the porous spots in that regime cannot be that difficult.

spudspud

(511 posts)
16. Agreed.
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 02:27 PM
Mar 2021

Thinking that throwing a file in the trash bin in Windows means it's deleted is an epic fail. And lazy.

CaptainTruth

(6,573 posts)
26. I had a neighbor who did computer forensics for the FBI.
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 03:50 PM
Mar 2021

I could never get him to talk in any detail about what they could do, & I respected that.

I never wanted to let him near my computers, just imagine the pranks he could play, making small changes that could drive you nuts & you'd never figure out how to undo it.

Occasionally he would also drive an FBI surveillance van home & it would be parked in his driveway. (Yes, a nondescript white Ford van.) Of course there was the running "oh great, now you can show me the inside of the van" joke, but I never got a peek.

getagrip_already

(14,618 posts)
42. the fbi does mostly run of the mill forensics....
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 10:45 AM
Mar 2021

It's very technical and painstaking but not especially classified. The fbi does get involved in espionage and hacking, but it's mostly analysis rather than active exploits. The really spooky attack stuff is done elsewhere.

I suspect this recovery was more mundane than it sounds. If it was a guv system, it only looks like you delete something. Users don't have the ability to permanently delete anything. You just have to look for it.

That's not to say information can't be permanently destroyed, it's just not within an end users rights to do it.

UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
43. I had a friend who had an employee "format" her computer hard drive
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 10:46 AM
Mar 2021

when she was on vacation ...

She was devastated, as that was where she had stored all her digital pictures ... and her daughter had passed away ... she was in tears ...

I bought a program that reads all the information behind any format and recovered all her pictures and company records ...

She was thrilled

UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
45. Actually, I did it for her twice
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 11:06 AM
Mar 2021

In late 2010, her business (and one entire side of our town square burned to the ground ...

She lost everything in the building ... and was sitting in front of city hall watching it burn (we had 12 fire departments trying to contain the fire).

I had filed her computer contents in a “book” ... I made another copy of what I had for her ... she was grateful (again).

A lovely woman ... I still miss her ... she passed away from an aneurysm in 2016.

UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
47. I cannot remember the program
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 12:31 PM
Mar 2021

I bought sometime in 2007 or 08 ... was about $45 ...

Here is what is out there now

https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-data-recovery-software

It was pretty simple to use

CloudWatcher

(1,845 posts)
14. Official Records Act
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 02:07 PM
Mar 2021

Is prison time indicated for violations of the Official Records Act? I though all Presidential communications were supposed to be archived.

Asking for a fiend.

FSogol

(45,446 posts)
22. Most corporate and goverment phone systems are VOIP these days.
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 03:42 PM
Mar 2021

Essentially, it works like a computer, not like a landline.

CaptainTruth

(6,573 posts)
21. Funny story about myself & the Trash folder....
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 03:40 PM
Mar 2021

...or in my case (now) the Recycle Bin folder.

I'm the kind of person that for years has built my PCs, set them up so they're stable & running as efficiently as I can make them, & then kept them in that fixed, reliable state. That comes from too many experiences in the "early days" where an upgrade left me with a PC that wouldn't boot, especially when I set my machines up as dual-boot, so I could boot into 2 different environments, loading different sets of drivers & running different software in each environment.

Anyway, a couple years ago I finally retired my old Win XP SP3 PC (which still runs like a champ today) & upgraded to a new PC with Win 10. As part of the upgrade I copied all files onto the new PC, then went through a cleanup process of organizing old files into archival folders, then moving all the archive files, my audio audio/music library, & years of pics/graphics files onto my network server. Of course in the process of moving those files they were "deleted" from my PC. I didn't think much about it until about a year later when I happened to look at my Recycle Bin folder & saw over 39,000 files in it, taking up I forget how many gigs of space! I LOLd.

I was old school. I was the old guy saying "When I was a kid, when you deleted a file it got deleted, & if you wanted it back you had to use an "undelete" utility, & hope the file hadn't been written over, & manually fill in the first few letters of the filename, & you had to do it barefoot, in the snow, uphill, both ways."

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
35. Yup. Most don't realize that unless you use an NSA approved wiping protocol
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 10:03 PM
Mar 2021

Deleted data can be retrieved from a hard drive.

Simply deleting a file - even bypassing the Windows recycle Bin - still leaves the raw data on the hard drive - only the pointers that tell were the data is located on the disk are deleted in that case.

Secure data deletion programs will actually write all '0000's' to the disk, thus actually overwriting the raw data.

Caveat is that one pass will most likely allow sensitive (and expensive) tools to dig deeper into the magnetic stripes and read what data is hidden under the '0000's'. To really delete all data, and lower the magnetic field strength of the old data low enough so the most sensitive tool cannot read it, several passes - I think 7 or more - of writing all '0000's' are required. On large drives this process can take hours if not days.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
29. Wait! Just because you delete something
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 04:26 PM
Mar 2021

does not mean it is gone — like forever???

tRump (under his breath): Woe is me. I’m cooked. 😖

Me: 😜😂😂😂😂🤪

TlalocW

(15,373 posts)
34. Is this different than the phone call
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:06 PM
Mar 2021

We've already heard where he's asking them to find thousands of votes for him?

TlalocW

soldierant

(6,790 posts)
38. Yes, it is similar but is not the same call.
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 01:58 AM
Mar 2021

the one we've all heard about was about finding votes. This one was more about erasing voters.

soldierant

(6,790 posts)
37. "I wanna know who put it in the trash folder, trying to destroy evidence."
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 01:56 AM
Mar 2021

Well, someone too dun=mb to epmty trash. And MUCH too dumb to consider defrag
and wiping free space.

Or, alternatively, someone who wanted it found.

onetexan

(13,020 posts)
49. so this Frances Watson..assuming she is a GOP and it was her trash folder
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 08:04 PM
Mar 2021

wonder what the motive for trying to delete the recording was...and who directed her to. I wouldn't think it was Raffensberger as he's been quite transparent and told the con himself the election was free of fraud.

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