Why were Capitol rioters allowed to leave a murder crime scene?

[soothsayer]

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Greg Palast
@Greg_Palast
The FBI is congratulating themselves on finding and arresting Capitol rioters — BUT WHY DID THEY LET THEM OUT OF THEIR CUSTODY IN THE FIRST PLACE?
#DCRiots #CapitolRiots #CapitolInsurrection
#DCRiots: Why Did They Let The Perps Go?
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The FBI manual REQUIRES sealing off a murder crime scene — and arresting or at least getting the names and CELL PHONES with incriminating photos.

Why were Capitol rioters allowed to leave a murder crime scene?
https://t.co/55UAI01itD?amp=1

Greg Palast
@Greg_Palast
Instead the rioters were given a f#@!ing police escort out of the crime scene.

The investigation of January 6 must include the decision to let killers walk away — and FBI/police sympathy or even infiltration.

#DCRiots #CapitolRiots #CapitolInsurrection

Insider: White House was warned march was illegal
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[abqtommy]

1. tRUMP and all the reTHUG fascists set up this systemic failure. I think we're seeing that

things are changing now.

[UpInArms]

2. I was horrified to watch them

Basically, hold the holds open and escort them out of the Capitol

It felt .... wrong

[soothsayer]

4. Yeah, and then immediately cleaning up all the evidence

I know people have differing opinions but a crime scene is a crime scene, to me.

[Big Blue Marble]

8. Me too! I was stunned at the time.

I have continued to ask this question for two months. Why were they escorted out and down the
mall to be let go and fad into the night. Now we must spend millions to locate and arrest them.

It was wrong.

[2naSalit]

3. And who was in charge at the time?

In many places it was infiltrators and "placed" conspirators. Kind of hard to expect them to do anything since they facilitated it.

[Lars39]

5. Think it through!

Not enough law enforcement to apprehend, sweep the building for bombs, etc., and secure the buildings and grounds all at once. There were still people hunkering down in there that needed to safely get out, too. There just was not enough personnel to do it.

[soothsayer]

6. Well, afterwards. No police tape, no preserving the scene

Some of us were uneasy about that the day of/after, when they posted pics of that nice Congressperson cleaning up.

[Lars39]

7. Yeah, he really shouldn't have done that.

Maybe they took more care with the offices.

[soothsayer]

10. I fear not

[Big Blue Marble]

9. I watched hundreds of protesters arrested and bussed to headquarters

last summer, no problem. Why was this different? My God this was the U. S Capitol and people
had died.

[Hortensis]

11. Because Palast wasn't there to take custody so the arresting officers

could continue their hours-long battle with hundreds of insurrectionists. What's with this right now, anyway? Does he need more attention, speaking fees dropping?

[soothsayer]

12. No, afterwards. Police tape, yadda yadda

Instead it just got cleaned up

[Hortensis]

13. After, the Trump admin was still in power. We know there

were huge "irregularities," likely complicity within the FBI, military, and others like the DoJ, with the insurrection itself. We know that. It's not that everything shouldn't be investigated, but with so many big, big, big things to yammer about, f#@!ing about the FBI letting ID'd suspects return home seems a misdirection of capital letters and exclamation points. Unless he's rabblerousing for some undisclosed purpose and thinks this simple picture of murderers being allowed to walk away will work for him?

[soothsayer]

14. Idk, maybe get to the bottom of who gave orders?

[Hortensis]

17. THAT, for sure. Four house congressional committees controlled by us

are investigating the roles of law enforcement (including the FBI) and intelligence agencies played and didn't before, during and after, and the FBI has reportedly been cooperating etc. And of course the senate is conducting its hearings and investigation.

Frankly, I have no idea what any FBI agents at the scene should have been doing with several hundred insurrectionists and general rioters. Pretty sure mob control is not their job, and doubt they were there in numbers that would allow them to get to and control, much less keep in custody, the murderers Palast says they were supposed to. Of course, at that point the only known death was of the insurrectionist shot by the police officer.

Could Palast by any chance be having a breakdown?

[soothsayer]

18. Bit of a gadfly. But he's right to wonder why was it not a crime scene?

Cuz... it was a crime scene.

[uponit7771]

15. And FBI won't answer why BLM protesters were treated so agressively

[soothsayer]

16. Yep

[malaise]

19. DUers have asked that since January 6

I guess Ron Johnson has the answer - they were white supremacists so they did not frighten white people and when as they murdered a cop and injured others, they believe in law and order (for others).

[soothsayer]

20. Me among them

[brooklynite]

21. Serious answer: to allow Congress, and the confirmation of a President, to resume...

Apprehending and processing everyone inside Congress. Would have taken hours. Congress would not have been able to pick up where they left off...which was what Trump’s supporters wanted. Capitol Police and Justice adept officials knew they’d be able to pick them up later.

[soothsayer]

22. Best answer, but were they required to do it there?

Cuz what if it blew up or burned down? Must be contingencies.

[Kid Berwyn]

23. Like the National Guard, FBI ordered to stand down.

A mob of domestic terrorists were directed to Congress by the President of the United States in order to stop the counting of the vote by the People’s representatives. In effect, the executive branch attacked the legislative branch. Donald J Trump is a traitor.



Barbarians at the Gate of Democracy

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214835602

[pnwmom]

24. Numbers, maybe. There were thousands of them and many fewer law enforcement. n/t

[soothsayer]

27. Ok but after, when it's empty. No police tape, no evidence preserved

Think twin towers. Big crime scene, treated as such.

FBI manual says to preserve crime scenes. So...?

[stopdiggin]

25. Ummmm? This a serious question?

[soothsayer]

28. He's saying it ought to be asked

[stopdiggin]

30. Not by me.

trying to keep my comments polite (a new leaf?) But, merely framing the question ... Calls for another level of credulity.

[soothsayer]

31. It's a Columbo question. "One more thing..."

[stopdiggin]

32. Well, like I said, definitely not by me

Getting those people the hell OUT of there (before more potential tragedy and loss of life?) was definitely the first order of business and primary mission that afternoon. Have we forgotten that we had leaders of our government in hiding and under threat of their lives?

I guess there's always room for second guessing. But in this case -- it really DOES seem to be second guessing. And a real reach.

[soothsayer]

33. But the second question is the one that should be asked.

“One more thing. Why did you decide to not treat the aftermath as a crime scene?”

[JI7]

26. They were white

[ancianita]

29. We couldn't see it even in real time, at the time, but police were exhausted and outnumbered.

We now know that police were also unarmed with no armed backup, but we were confused about what we saw, because we assumed police would be armed. Their leaders under planned and under-manned the area because they underestimated the crowd size; so the "force" could only restrain, slow and manipulate, but could not stop the crowd's entering and leaving.

On that day, even as we watched, we couldn't help asking why they let people leave; we saw what looked like some police, but learned it was mostly Oath Keepers and other militia types that controlled the crowd retreat, not exhausted police.

We just couldn't see the massiveness of what CP were up against and how their leadership were obstructed, which left ground forces hamstrung.

We can only conclude that Capitol Police had to leave it to the FBI investigations to arrest those documented in criminal acts.

The question reveals how stealth coups work to keep both protectors and witnesses in the dark about what the ultimate goal was -- not just to "stop the steal," but to assassinate a succession line so that the Insurrection Act could be invoked and Trump could "take over" protection of The Capitol, and then prosecute the "non-legitimate" party's leaders.

We're seeing now, that, even as real time witnesses, we can't know the whole story behind what we see.
Seemingly simple questions usually require complex answers that come from a wide range of evidence collecting to piece the backstory together.

Watching any of the footage now, we know a lot more than we didn't know in real time then. Police should also know now how to stop crowds by any means necessary.

[soothsayer]

34. Why not treat it as a crime scene? A question that's bugged me from day 1

[ancianita]

35. I hear you. It's a lesson that needs incorporating into security as soon as trespassing starts.

Even before the National Guard leaves, this protocol should be in place -- paddy wagons and busses always in nearby park yards, and Capitol Police always armed with firearms, pepper spray and tasers, not just batons.

Kettling people at all entry points is the way to arrest en masse, with busses nearby every entry point.

No matter how small a group or large a crowd, there should never be a disarmed Capitol Police presence ever again.

[soothsayer]

37. Yep. But the crime scene thing -- that's standard FBI practice

So who asked or told or decided they shouldn’t treat it as such? And why? That’s really the question.

They diverted from standard procedure for some reason. Just should be on record somewhere. And I’d like to understand it. Maybe there’s a good reason.

[ancianita]

38. I think the FBI hasn't the Capitol Building jurisdiction to call it a crime scene,

even after Congress left.

A crime has to be seen, or reported, and my guess about who does that is likely the Capitol Police board -- both houses' sergeants-at-arms and the capitol architect.

This is a question you might call in to your House rep to be answered by the House Commission, whatever form that takes.

It's really a good question that needs official answers.

[soothsayer]

40. Ok, jurisdiction - I like this angle. Though the fbi are doing all the investigations

And it begs the question why didn’t the capitol police declare it a crime scene if it’s their jurisdiction? (Yes, I realize they were pretty overwhelmed that day; that’s what procedures are designed to help with.)

As you said, needs an answer. There might be a reasonable one.

[ancianita]

42. And, even if they did declare it a crime scene, there's no special reason the public should know.

At least, no one in the press has asked, anyway.

[ancianita]

36. Even as a crime scene at that time, The People's House had to finish its constitutional business.

If you treated it as a crime scene that night, no one could have been on the premises but law enforcement, so it wasn't feasible given the urgency of completing the election process.

In the future, say a SOTU, it can be treated as a crime scene when everyone is evacuated and insurgents are removed from the premises. In the future, visitors should be forewarned they'll go through metal detectors at all entrances, if they haven't been already. 2A adherents brought this security requirement on themselves.

[soothsayer]

39. So next time they need to blow up the Capitol to stop the proceedings? Cuz I don't believe it would

I think maybe someone wanted to make a point that the terrorists did not win — by going back in the chambers or the floor or whatever and finishing up. Fine, it’s a powerful statement. I commend them on that.

But for the FBI to just say “eff it, we don’t need any scrap of evidence from that room, or from any part of the whole building” strikes me as odd. That’s all.

I’d expect to see some forensics happening, as with 9/11 and any other crime scene I can think of.

[ancianita]

41. Haha, yeah, though we really don't know what happened after Congress left that night, do we.

We'll have to wait and see what law enforcement did at the Capitol after Congress left.

Since, to my knowledge, the press didn't follow up for us, did it. So I'm guessing that perhaps no one in the wider network was supposed to know methods and standard procedures of the FBI in these cases.

[WarGamer]

43. Simple Answer. It wasn't a murder scene when they were pushed out.

[Kid Berwyn]

44. FBI says it warned about possible violence ahead of U.S. Capitol riot

PBS, Jan 13, 2021

WASHINGTON (AP) — The FBI warned law enforcement agencies ahead of last week’s breach of the U.S. Capitol about the potential for extremist-driven violence, U.S. officials said, contradicting earlier statements that they were caught off guard by the assault by supporters of President Donald Trump.

Nearly a week after the riot, officials said they were combing through mountains of evidence and vowed to aggressively seek out those who perpetrated the brazen attack on the U.S. Capitol. Though most of the charges brought so far have been misdemeanors, acting U.S. Attorney Michael Sherwin said Tuesday the Justice Department was considering bringing sedition charges against some of the rioters, effectively accusing them of attempting to overthrow or defeat the government.

“This is only the beginning,” Sherwin said. “We’re going to focus on the most significant charges as a deterrent because, regardless of it was just a trespass in the Capitol or if someone planted a pipe bomb, you will be charged and you will be found.”

Snip...

The statements by FBI and Justice Department officials on Tuesday were intended as both a defense of federal law enforcement preparations before the deadly riot and as a warning to participants. But they also raised new questions about the coordination across agencies for the Jan. 6 riot, which was sparked by Trump’s calls for his supporters to fight Congress’ vote confirming President-elect Joe Biden’s victory.

Continues...

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-says-it-warned-about-possible-violence-ahead-of-u-s-capitol-riot

The FBI warning about the coming “storm” got lost. So, maybe the same thing happened to the memo reserving the paddy wagons. Coincidence like.

[triron]

45. Capitol police were either in on it or someone directed it from above.