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KS Toronado

(22,548 posts)
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 03:50 PM Mar 2021

Anybody notice Biden's speech yesterday beginning at 19:30 mark?

He was badmouthing "trickle down economics" and offered "bottom up economics". Wish Joe could get
Robert Reich to start a national campaign on educating Americans about the difference and how we're
better off with "bottom up economics". Lets get people back to voting their pocketbooks. Could get
independent & moderate republicans to vote Democrat.

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Anybody notice Biden's speech yesterday beginning at 19:30 mark? (Original Post) KS Toronado Mar 2021 OP
I have been trickled on since Ronald Ray Gun Chainfire Mar 2021 #1
"I want to trickle on the rich for a while." ... Jopin Klobe Mar 2021 #5
He's the man for the moment. That passage in the speech... brush Mar 2021 #2
Yes I did, it was a transformative speech drray23 Mar 2021 #3
Trickle up - No More Trickle Down NBachers Mar 2021 #4
Guy that made that sign is a genius KS Toronado Mar 2021 #20
People may have had a different reaction if they'd walked into the men's room at work & saw that guy NBachers Mar 2021 #21
It is a new paradigm, indeed. dalton99a Mar 2021 #6
It's because Trickle Down is inefficient. WarGamer Mar 2021 #15
This thread nails it malaise Mar 2021 #7
+++ KPN Mar 2021 #13
It took over 40 years. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2021 #14
Tell me about it malaise Mar 2021 #16
The campaign behind the Rescue Act has just started. Politicub Mar 2021 #8
"Trickle-down economics" is SUCH a bad idea. It's not like you even need a lot of facts and figures. BobTheSubgenius Mar 2021 #9
Yes! wryter2000 Mar 2021 #10
Supply-side vs demand-side CaptainTruth Mar 2021 #11
Your last paragraph nails it. That's republican-think to a T. brush Mar 2021 #12
I've been reading something that might explain where he's going. ancianita Mar 2021 #17
This book looks fascinating; thanks for that. crickets Mar 2021 #18
Thanks for the article. I'm now on Chapter 6. These ideas are out there today. They just need ancianita Mar 2021 #19
 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
1. I have been trickled on since Ronald Ray Gun
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 03:58 PM
Mar 2021

I would like to see the trends reversed. I want to trickle on the rich for a while.

Jopin Klobe

(779 posts)
5. "I want to trickle on the rich for a while." ...
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 05:23 PM
Mar 2021

... I, too, have a dream ...

... and you've stated it admirably ...

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
2. He's the man for the moment. That passage in the speech...
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 04:53 PM
Mar 2021

shows exactly who he is and how aware he is of the critical juncture the nation is in.

drray23

(8,559 posts)
3. Yes I did, it was a transformative speech
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 05:03 PM
Mar 2021

This marks the end of the trickle down economics if we can keep it..

He also had a funny zinger at Sarah Palin. While saying that during the Obama administration he was put in charge of the recovery plan, he said he got on the phone with hundreds of mayors and all governors more than once except for the one that used to be able to see russia from her house..

NBachers

(19,106 posts)
21. People may have had a different reaction if they'd walked into the men's room at work & saw that guy
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 02:26 AM
Mar 2021

snapping photographs of the vintage urinal on the wall!

WarGamer

(18,199 posts)
15. It's because Trickle Down is inefficient.
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 06:40 PM
Mar 2021

Give $1000 to a wealthy person and it will probably just end up in a Money Market account or in their Stock Portfolio.

Give $1000 to a poor person and it gets spent SEVERAL TIMES.

Poor dude gets the check and buys a new TV and pays his cell phone bill. Best Buy hires employees who earn a paycheck and the Cell Phone company builds a few new towers... hiring a Construction firm.

The ONLY way trickle down WOULD work would be if the spending would be mandated. But as long as the wealthy hoard and accumulate wealth... trickle down is a myth.

malaise

(291,733 posts)
16. Tell me about it
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 06:41 PM
Mar 2021

It set back the entire planet - wages, rights, health care, education and democracy. It has been rule by plutocrats who own the politicians and the media.

Politicub

(12,327 posts)
8. The campaign behind the Rescue Act has just started.
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 05:31 PM
Mar 2021

Biden’s government has billions of dollars at its disposal, and will likely get more for infrastructure.

The people are on the side of the Democratic Party.

BobTheSubgenius

(12,163 posts)
9. "Trickle-down economics" is SUCH a bad idea. It's not like you even need a lot of facts and figures.
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 05:41 PM
Mar 2021

If it worked even half as well as its proponents claim, the US economy would have been in glorious shape for decades. But it doesn't, so it's not.

It's a concept that perfectly fits my maxim:

"If billionaires are for it, you should probably be against it."

wryter2000

(47,940 posts)
10. Yes!
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 05:50 PM
Mar 2021

My jaw dropped. It said we're going to do things the way we did before St. Ronnie screwed the country up. I hope this ARP lifts lots of people and ends trickle down for good.

CaptainTruth

(8,016 posts)
11. Supply-side vs demand-side
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 06:00 PM
Mar 2021

GOP economics (since Reagan, anyway) have been all about supply-side, give more money to the rich producers & that will somehow stimulate the economy & money will "trickle down" to average folks.

The problem is, our economy is not driven by supply, it's driven by demand. It's driven by millions of average folks having money to spend on goods & services. It's driven by consumers (demand-side), not producers (supply-side).

I'm a business owner & I don't care how many tax cuts the GOP gives me, I will never hire people to stand around & do nothing. The only way I will expand my business & hire more people is if there's more demand for my good & services. Again, we're right back to demand (average consumers) driving business growth & hiring, not the other way around.

I'm convinced that the only reason Republicans push the myth of supply-side economics is because it gives them justification (albeit a false one) for giving more money to their wealthy donors, who then make larger campaign contributions, which enables them to keep their positions in government, which is really the main thing they care about most.

ancianita

(42,723 posts)
17. I've been reading something that might explain where he's going.
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 06:56 PM
Mar 2021

It's called Doughnut Economics by Kate Raworth, and its Chapter 5 will blow American minds. Many thanks to PETRUS for recommending it to me. I'm still listing all the amazing bottom-up open source economy building designs it explains.

I'd bet that Joe knows that we are in the perfect position to do bottom-up economic redistribution at this point. I highly recommend this book for anyone who's interested in redesigning our old school corporate economics.



crickets

(26,168 posts)
18. This book looks fascinating; thanks for that.
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 07:57 PM
Mar 2021

eta - also found a pretty good article on the subject:

Amsterdam Is Embracing a Radical New Economic Theory to Help Save the Environment.
https://time.com/5930093/amsterdam-doughnut-economics/

ancianita

(42,723 posts)
19. Thanks for the article. I'm now on Chapter 6. These ideas are out there today. They just need
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 08:04 PM
Mar 2021

state (as in federal) support and more work to preserve the commons. These ideas are our way out of an economy for the 1%. You'll dig it. I wouldn't be surprised if Biden and Bernie have already read it.

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