So, about these people who will not get vaccinated . . . . .

[Stinky The Clown]

. . . . if the rest of the population is vaccinated, do they even matter? If they get sick and die, should I care? Would we be better off without them due to their creating their own mass die-off?

[Kali]

1. if there are enough of them

they can be the source of more and possibly worse mutations

[torius]

7. The MAGA variant nt

[Atticus]

31. I believe that is a great term and should absolutely be used to name any variant that arises

in the U.S.

[lame54]

2. It means we may have to get vaccinated yearly

[Hekate]

11. I've already concluded that's the best-case scenario: an annual shot like the flu shot...

So, actually, I would find that reassuring.

[dameatball]

26. No expert here, but I was also thinking that an annual shot might be likely. If not then great.

[mitch96]

32. "an annual shot flu shot..." How about on election day, Vote, BBQ and then a flu shot all

at the same place.. Geo Washington did that. Beer BBQ and Vote. We just put a spin on it with a flu shot.. Works for me!!
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[applegrove]

3. Because they may not have co morbidities like old age or obesity that

will kill them. So the virus will just bounce around among them and may mutate again and kill people who did get vaccinated.

[Beartracks]

4. Hmm. I *was* thinking ongoing cases would eventually become concentrated in the MAGA crowd...

... but I didn't think about how that could facilitate another mutation.

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[applegrove]

6. Yes. We may not eradicate Covid. But we should really try to everywhere

because of mutations. This virus only lives on in hosts so we need the fewest hosts to have it. Then there will be less virus to mutate or transfer to someone else.

[GoneOffShore]

14. This Vaccine hesitancy and reluctance means that Covid is going to be with us forever

At least in the opinion of a pathologist friend:

In the meantime, vaccine "hesitancy" in the US is making me confident that we will never reach herd immunity here. So we are all going to be dealing with covid one way or another to the end of time. I'm confident it will be like the flu though - if you get the vaccine(s), it will be an annoyance rather than something to fear; but there will be a few unlucky ones that will have had the vaccine and still get ill.

[applegrove]

16. People are so sad in their foolishness. Trump wanted to put his logo on masks

when it was first suggested all americans wear them after the initial 'bout' of covid in April. Someones online decided masks were an abomination and Trump followed. It did not have to be this way. I hope they find the people who posted that first.

[GoneOffShore]

19. We're glad that vaccine hesistancy here in France seems to be declining.

Now they just have to speed up the vaccine rollout because right now it's chugging along like a an aging Citroen 2CV driving up a single track road with a French grandmother, 2 kids, and a load of eggs.

[applegrove]

20. I think the arrival of variants has woken a few people up. I'm glad France

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has cooler heads prevailing.

[GoneOffShore]

21. The whole variant thing has a lot of people changing their minds.

And that's a good thing.

[ShazzieB]

23. Yes.

A very good thing indeed!

[applegrove]

27. Before they could imagine themselves protected by the herd and not vaccinated.

Now they can't imagine that. The herd would not be protected because of variants. So Covid must be crushed. By everyone.

[Beartracks]

28. Sorry to hear that, but I love the imagery!

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[GoneOffShore]

34. Glad you like it. I wish that the vaccine here was moving like a Bugatti Veyron at Ehra-Lessien.

[spinbaby]

29. Imagine the conspiracy theories

When the magats start dying off, it will surely be because of a secret plot to infect them with a secret virus secretly developed by Bill Gates.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

5. From the Hoarse Whisperer

Link to tweet

[live love laugh]

8. They'll kill us as they create countless variants. nt

[Mariana]

9. Most of them won't die, but either way

an awful lot of them will land in the hospitals and the ICU's, consuming resources that could be used for other things.

[Hekate]

10. Can't say. Last I heard 30% of people say no, which includes half of GOP white men...

I have a relative who’s an anti-vaxxer (okay, she’s my daughter, mother of my only grandkids ) and has babbled to me about herd immunity being caused by enough people getting actually sick. As far as I recall from actual science classes, herd immunity is caused by enough people getting inoculated for polio, measles, whooping cough — the old killers. Then the remainder should be okay — the remainder used to be the very small number of people who wouldn’t comply for religious reasons.

Again, as far as I know from reading actual science info, herd immunity for so-called childhood diseases has already been damaged by the number of fools who won’t get their children vaccinated. And that’s what? 10%? 15%? I don’t know.

So we have a problem. And by “we” I mean the country, not just my family.

[applegrove]

18. The world has a problem if there is a hotbed of covid mutating in the USA. N/T

[former9thward]

33. Most of the world is way, way behind the U.S in vaccine rates.

Many countries have not even begun. In fact most of Europe is just a fraction of the U.S. So if anything it will be the U.S. having a problem if the world has a hotbed of covid mutations.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

[SharonAnn]

13. We just "disinvited" a friend to our now regular card and Rummikub games.

She refuses to get vaccinated and we all are. She cites the hundreds of deaths from vaccines, fetal tissue involved, Joe Kennedy anti-vaxing stuff, etc.

We got vaccinations which help protect her, but she doesn't care about protecting us. Pro-life and all that.

[airmid]

15. I am hoping the Johnson and Johnson one can work for me. I have extreme

allergies to many vaccines and have been advised to not get any of the previous ones. For people like me, it’s even more important for those who can safely do so to get the vaccine.

[applegrove]

17. Exactly.

[RockRaven]

22. They will incubate variants which escape the vaccine-induced immunity... We must turn the power

of corporations against them...

We can create the right situation to fix this using 'Murican principles. With the right social and legal pressures, companies will find it in their pecuniary interest to coerce employees to get vaccinated and to deny service to the unvaccinated. Free markets and private property, bitches!

[albacore]

24. Involuntary inoculation....

No, I don't think it's feasible in today's atmosphere, but the SCOTUS rulings have pretty consistently gone in favor of ANYthing goes when it comes to public health.

"...States may also take more drastic measures, such as requiring citizens to be tested or vaccinated, even against their will. In Jacobson v. Massachusetts (1905), the Supreme Court considered a challenge to a state law requiring everyone to be vaccinated against smallpox. Henning Jacobson refused vaccination and was convicted. The court upheld the law and Jacobson’s conviction.
“The Constitution,” Justice John Marshall Harlan wrote for a 7-2 majority, “does not import an absolute right in each person to be, at all times and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint.” Instead, “a community has the right to protect itself against an epidemic.” Its members “may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand.”
States also have the power, beyond criminal law enforcement, to make quarantine and isolation effective. If presented with widespread noncompliance, governors may call National Guard units to put their orders into force, to safeguard state property and infrastructure, and to maintain the peace. In some states, individuals who violate emergency orders can be detained without charge and held in isolation...."

Note... the Heritage Institute is very conservative.
https://www.heritage.org/the-constitution/commentary/constitutional-guide-emergency-powers?fbclid=IwAR3lBfsiVKa8QODeylueITT1u2e-PRmPXvqrkopQInNON3ylpDp675yTrhk

[albacore]

25. ....and....

""States have police power functions to protect the health, safety, and welfare of persons within their borders. To control the spread of disease within their borders, states have laws to enforce the use of isolation and quarantine.
These laws can vary from state to state and can be specific or broad. In some states, local health authorities implement state law. In most states, breaking a quarantine order is a criminal misdemeanor.
The Public Health Service Act of 1944 clearly established the federal government’s quarantine authority for the first time. The act gave the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) responsibility for preventing the introduction, transmission, and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States."

"Police powers were reserved in the federal constitution for states’ use when needed for the preservation of the common good. When applied, they allow states to pass and enforce isolation and quarantine, health, and inspections laws to interrupt or prevent the spread of disease. See Medtronic, Inc. v. Lohr, 518 U.S. 470, 475 (1996) ("Throughout our history the several states have exercised their police powers to protect the health and safety of their citizens. Because these are primarily, and historically, matters of local concern, the states traditionally have had great latitude under their police powers to legislate as to the protection of the lives, limbs, health, comfort, and quiet of all persons."; Black’s Law Dictionary 1196 (Ernst Freund, The Police Power: Public Policy and Constitutional Rights iii, 3 (1904). The police power supports the authority of a state to enact and enforce “health laws of every description.” Jacobson, supra, 197 U.S. at 25."
https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/public-health-chart.aspx?fbclid=IwAR01W8TbsmrgLiOVOB4QyRYvmhT6UBGacmn1XuHaRfVevc7eQZANZZ2M9j0

[panader0]

30. An old friend who lives in Oregon says we're all duped.

That the vaccine will alter our DNA and change the human race forever. I tried to reason with
him, told him to google the question "Does the Covid-19 vaccine change your DNA", but he is
convinced that we're all dummies. Bill Gates and Dr Fauci took the virus to Wuhan where they
released it and on and on. WTF? I'm sorry to see him believe this stuff.