How much education does it take to be educated?

[multigraincracker]

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/3/13/2020979/-How-much-education-does-it-take-to-be-educated

“Education is an admirable thing, but it is well to remember from time to time that nothing that is worth knowing can be taught.”

That said, I always feel stupid around educated people. I truly don’t think of myself as educated. I am always learning new things. The more I learn the more questions I have. As what I don’t know explodes my certainty about what I do know shrinks. And the less educated I feel. And the less I have in common with educated people.

My goal apparently is learn more and more and thus become completely uneducated and to know nothing.

[Skittles]

1. remember this

people like McConnell, Cruz, Hawley, Graham, ......they're EDUCATED but dumber than all FUCK

[ancianita]

22. They are not educated. They are DEGREED. The qualitative difference is starkest with them.

When we talk about education, we talk about a larger range of ethics and philosophy that go with degrees, along with a moral education that none of them practice, even as they "know about" those areas.

Using knowledge with integrity is a core principle of education, not degrees.

[cate94]

2. Somehow I think

The more you recognize how little you know, the better educated you really are.

[rampartc]

3. +1

[secondwind]

5. Bingo!!!!

Life is a journey, we learn something new each and every day....

[DFW]

6. That's my way of looking at it, too

Because of my job, my wife, and where I ended up living, I happened to have learned to speak nine languages. Some people say "WOW, nine languages!," but I know people who know fifteen or more, and not just the "usual" languages like French, Spanish, German, or Russian, but languages that really turn your head, like Hungarian, Aramaic and Romanian. They make me feel like an ignorant slob.

Also, part of my job involves detecting counterfeit money, and the best counterfeits are the one that no one has ever detected.

A good friend of mine, now passed on, once invited me to lunch when I was in Washington. He worked at the Pentagon in a little-known department whose job it was to work with the governments of Vietnam and Cambodia to find the remains of American soldiers who were still listed as MIA from the 1960s and 1970s, and try to give their families closure. We discussed subjects roaming from Vietnam to Europe to the dynasties of ancient Egypt, and had a great time, mostly filling the other in on aspects of a subject we didn't know. He was one of the most pleasant, gracious, and versatile intellects I ever met. He went to law school at age 50 just because he felt it was something he didn't know enough about. Because of a successful film made about him, most people that even recognize his name think he was a jovial, irreverent, wisecracking comedian with a sensitive side for pretty girls. In reality, the only similarity with my friend was that they didn't change his name. He died when he was about ten years older than I am now, and he went to is grave knowing how incredibly much more there was to learn.

[panader0]

8. Opening this OP I thought of your quote from Gide.

[DFW]

9. It still rings true

The ones who ask the questions are not the ones to be wary of--it's the ones who are sure they have the answers that pose the greater danger.

[demmiblue]

18. +1

[betsuni]

4. Jerry Seinfeld said that comedians are the smartest stupid people. Because they notice things.

Education has nothing to do with it.

Two of my favorite writers are Henry Miller and Anais Non. Not educated, but alive.

[Solly Mack]

7. The list of things I know is nothing compared to the list of things I don't know.

Means there is always something new to learn and each day brings with it new opportunities.

How boring it must be to know everything.

Being educated doesn't mean knowing everything. Being educated means you have achieved a standard that allows you to be capable in a chosen field.

The more you know about your field the better you perform.

But there's always something new to learn.

Knowledge demands change. It demands you adapt.

Knowing you don't know everything is more like wisdom. Keeps you open to new ideas and new facts. Keeps you ready for change. And change always happens.

What would be the point of life if there was nothing new to learn?

I like the idea that I'll never learn everything there is to know.

Means each day I wake up a new world is set before me. Something new to explore.

Stagnation is death without the actual dying.

In terms of knowledge, new things to learn, all there is to know, I'll never be educated enough.

Never.

I'm OK with that.

[ancianita]

24. +1

[Girard442]

10. I feel ignorant around everybody.

That's because I am. My gift, such as it is, is that I can freely admit it.

I don't see how those know-it-alls who try to hide their ignorance even get through one day.

[multigraincracker]

14. There is a name for that.

Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › Dunning–Kruger_effect

The Dunning–Kruger effect is a hypothetical cognitive bias stating that people with low ability at a task overestimate their ability. As described by social ...
?David Dunning · ?Justin Kruger · ?Big-fish–little-pond effect · ?Just-world hypothesis

[Girard442]

17. Then there's the Dunning-Kruger-Godwin effect.

You're too stupid to know you're a Nazi.

[PJMcK]

11. Really smart people know there's much still to learn

They recognize that others are smarter than they.

Stupid people think they're smart.

Really stupid people think they're the smartest person in every room

Terminally stupid people are named Trump.

[Renew Deal]

12. I don't think there is an answer to this

But I would think that people using “educated person” mean 4 year degree and up. Definitely masters and PHD’s.

But a lot of times when I hear about “educated person” it is surprise that they made some mistake.

It is a good question.

[Cirque du So-What]

13. I believe the value of education

is the encouragement to think and reason for oneself. Imparting empirical knowledge is important, but is secondary to reasoning.

[Klaralven]

15. There is no such thing as an educated person

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"Educated" implies that there is some agency outside of a person that can transform them in some way such that they become "educated".

But the transformation of the person actually is internal and voluntary.

Therefore, you can learn and become "learned", a process which should continue throughout your life, but you can never become "educated".

[Beringia]

16. I think in life, your younger years, maybe to 35 or so

are when you learn what you need to learn in order to then use that knowledge to participate or contribute to society and culture and other people. I studied dreams through the Dream School for a while, and they may have some things wrong in their theories. But one dream I had once in a while was being back in school (once again, uigh), and was supposed to have graduated already.

Obviously you can keep accumulating new knowledge, but I think in life's journey, you are supposed to reach a point in young adulthood when you begin to contribute and use the knowledge you have in a practical way.

[multigraincracker]

19. I was born into a family of academics.

From several Master degrees to PHDs. I was the black sheep and struggled due to Learning Disabilities that were not diagnosed until I was 40 years old. I have the big 5, Dyslexia. Dyslexia is perhaps the best known learning disability. ...
ADHD. Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder has affected more than 6.4 million children at some point. ...
Dyscalculia. Math is another major area of concern when it comes to learning disabilities. ...
Dysgraphia. ...
Processing Deficits.
It's been a blessing and a curse. I went back to college when I was 40 just to understand those disabilities and graduated in the top 5% of my class. That and five bucks will now buy me a cup of coffee. I have my factory job pension that has more than supported me in my 20 years of retirement.

[Wounded Bear]

20. Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire....

-William Butler Yeats

Far too many people confuse education with training or indoctrination.

[JI7]

21. What does one mean by educated ? Sometimes it just means

whether people went to school.

[Hotler]

23. It's not the education, it's how you use the knowledge from the education. nt

[milestogo]

25. The value of education is learning HOW to think.

If you are lucky enough to get an education you should have the opportunity to develop critical thinking skills.

That said, you can develop critical thinking skills without a college education. And you can be highly educated but still have poor critical thinking skills.

[marie999]

26. One of the first things I was taught in elementary school was the Dewey Decimal System.

[planetc]

27. If you define education as an achievement certified by someone else, you're doomed.

But if you define education as how much you know about your favorite subject and a number of others that interest you, then you're the only one who can say how well you're educated. My favorite example is Paul McCartney. He finished high school, with disappointing scores, because he was already a member of the group that would become known as The Beatles. It was a good high school, and he paid some attention, so he writes grammatically, but he didn't go to university. He did, however, learn a good deal about music, as did the other Beatles. If you think of "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Bank" as his dissertation, then the honorary doctorates he has received are just as earned as any "earned" Ph.D.

We are all free all the time to educate ourselves in whatever interests us. I have lately gone into lamp repair. I will not try to go farther in rewiring things without a real course, but as of today, I am a beginning apprentice lamp repairer. Bless YouTube, and let's all go forth and learn something! And stop worrying about being "educated." That only wastes energy that you might have spent on learning something.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

28. Nothing worth knowing can be taught?

That's one of the stupidest things ever.

Hardly anything worth knowing can simply be picked up intuitively. I'm thinking of practical skills, like driving a car or writing a computer program or riding a bike. Or playing the piano. Okay, there are people that are sufficiently gifted that they can play piano or some other musical instrument without a single lesson, but most of us need lessons. In other words, to be taught.

I suppose that quote is simply referring to philosophical things, or knowledge that you might somehow get from reading certain kinds of things or doing a lot of thinking. But it's still stupid. And simply wrong.

[electric_blue68]

29. Agree w you PoindexterO, and I'm always learning ...

things. I go out of my way to learn new things in the subjects I'm interested in (which is a good amount of things), plus new things in different areas that pop up.

Also learn new techniques, and further skills in the Art, and Crafts I do.

I did around a 'B' in school. A's in somethings, B's in others, it was from Algebra onward (except geometry) where the C's were, maybe Spanish, too.

Anyway I am considered smart, and I am - certainly in a bunch of stuff, but there's always more to
learn! Either in my interests, or other things.

I also feel dumb in some things, too. Definitely (and not just higher math 😂 )