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Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 06:47 AM Mar 2021

We're used to women being told to modify our behaviour as a reaction to male violence.

As the Metropolitan Police comes under fire for their mishandling of the vigil to Sarah Everard who was murdered (allegedly) by a serving Metropolitan Police Officer - women and girls in London are not surprised and have zero shits left to give to a force who does nadda to protect them, other than suggest they stay in doors, to stay safe.

We’re used to women’s freedoms and women’s bodies being up for debate, you see. We’re used to women being told to modify our behaviour as a reaction to male violence. Women may not be under a formal curfew but you only need to look at the disgusting victim-blaming that went on with Sarah Everard to see that we’re under an informal one. Why was she out at 9.30 at night? Why did she walk home instead of taking a cab? What did she expect? Our freedom of movement after dark may not be restricted by the government, but we often don’t have the freedom to fully relax. We regulate our behaviour automatically; we keep our keys in our hands, we stay on high alert, we pay extra to take a cab because we’re worried about walking home. Street harassment is so common we brush it off as “nothing”; after all, it’s not like there’s anything that we can do we about it anyway. As a recent letter to the Guardian pointed out, “you can be fined for dropping litter in the UK, but not for harassing a woman or girl in public”.

[link:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/13/men-curfew-sarah-everard-women-adapt-violence|

Jess Phillips MP on a Andrew Marr (a political news show on the BBC this morning):

“The police have got it wrong at every single turn,” she said.

Not just the final image that we see, but all day yesterday and the day before, the police did not try and find a way for a peaceful protest - not a protest, actually - a vigil, a moment.

The did not try to find a way to work with women who are sad and angry and upset to be able to, not even gather but just go to Clapham Common.

There are a million ways that that could have been organised but the police put their foot down before they put their boot in and at every stage they made the wrong call.'

Emphasis mine



A vigil for a woman who had been kidnapped and murdered...and young women get manhandled by the colleagues of the man who allegedly committed this sexually violent abhorrent act of murder.

That in 2021 we are still having to have the conversation about our safety on the streets is deeply depressing. We have been having the same conversation for decades and last night the actions of those who are paid to protect us and abjectly fail to do so on an on going basis was shocking. The lack of prosecutions for sexualised violence against women in the UK has effectively decriminalised rape and yet when young women and girls want to express their dismay and anger at the murder of Sarah, a very predictable outcome to the countries embedded patriarchal and misogynistic structures of policing and 'justice', are met with those very structures trying to silence them.

And if anyone says, but Covid, I will bite them...
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We're used to women being told to modify our behaviour as a reaction to male violence. (Original Post) Soph0571 Mar 2021 OP
K&R Solly Mack Mar 2021 #1
Brexit, Covid and The Metropolitan Police reaction to women supporting the death of abqtommy Mar 2021 #2
K&R betsuni Mar 2021 #3
! n/t North Shore Chicago Mar 2021 #4
It's disgusting what the police did last night to those at the vigil LittleGirl Mar 2021 #5
A lysistrata event? 2naSalit Mar 2021 #9
+1000 smirkymonkey Mar 2021 #19
It is always our fault, of course. How dare we think we can walk, or mourn, or grieve? Or live?? niyad Mar 2021 #6
I read a rumor that Kate stopped by that Vigil to light a candle Dorian Gray Mar 2021 #7
I saw the video of Kate stopping by the vigil. Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #14
I hope so. Dorian Gray Mar 2021 #15
Yes, it is true: demmiblue Mar 2021 #20
"What happened to me was nothing - the nothing women know all too well." TheRickles Mar 2021 #8
K&R 2naSalit Mar 2021 #11
When are women going to be free and safe on this planet? Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #17
It will only change when women are in charge of things. 2naSalit Mar 2021 #26
How will women make men change? To act civilized? Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #28
Bullies love being police. You can commit crimes and administration and union defend you. johnthewoodworker Mar 2021 #10
Women are sick of this crap. Men just have to grow the f up. flying_wahini Mar 2021 #12
They won't change unless forced to. 2naSalit Mar 2021 #30
K&R (that photo is iconic) demmiblue Mar 2021 #13
K&R for visibility. crickets Mar 2021 #16
Violence against women is a public health issue too. Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #18
How about MEN stay indoors after dark? musette_sf Mar 2021 #21
Exactly, why are women the ones who have to hide in fear? Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #24
K&R smirkymonkey Mar 2021 #22
Women are less afraid to come forward now, see the Cuomo drama madville Mar 2021 #23
Women's lives matter. Ellen Forradalom Mar 2021 #25
The blame women first propaganda machine is ubiquitous dlk Mar 2021 #27
This is what you are defending... tonedevil Mar 2021 #29
I remember "take back the night" rallies in the 1980s.. events to have males consider what it's like Demovictory9 Mar 2021 #31

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
2. Brexit, Covid and The Metropolitan Police reaction to women supporting the death of
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 07:54 AM
Mar 2021

one of their own have all been brought to you by
BO "Ya Doesn't Have To Call Me Johnson" JO and The Sorry Tories!

LittleGirl

(8,280 posts)
5. It's disgusting what the police did last night to those at the vigil
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 08:31 AM
Mar 2021

What’s even worse is that this 60+ year old woman typing this is fed up!
When are men going to held accountable for stalking women and girls every damn day of our lives? When will women ever going to be safe after the sun goes down? Or during broad daylight?

I’m sick of reading this crap. We must raise our sons to respect women! What is it going to take?

2naSalit

(86,333 posts)
9. A lysistrata event?
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 08:58 AM
Mar 2021

One long enough to really impact those people with dicks and those who support their offensive practices.



niyad

(113,078 posts)
6. It is always our fault, of course. How dare we think we can walk, or mourn, or grieve? Or live??
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 08:52 AM
Mar 2021

Thank you so much for posting this, Soph. Such a terrible story at every level, I am heartsick and enraged.

Would you consider cross-posting this in Women's Rights And Issues? Thanks in advance.

Dorian Gray

(13,479 posts)
7. I read a rumor that Kate stopped by that Vigil to light a candle
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 08:55 AM
Mar 2021

(Prince William's Wife, Kate.) I don't know that it is true, but if it is true and she truly feels strongly about this, I think it is her duty to demand that the police either arrest her along with the women they brought in or release them all now.

This is TERRIBLE optics on the part of the Met. Hopefully they'll learn and evolve and get bias training. It hasn't happened in the US, so not super hopeful. But.... it should happen.

Irish_Dem

(46,560 posts)
14. I saw the video of Kate stopping by the vigil.
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 01:23 PM
Mar 2021

No reporters, no fanfare, no obvious security.

She looked at the impromptu memorial, left something, and then walked back to her car.
You could tell it meant something to her. Yes I hope she can use her position to do something positive.

TheRickles

(2,047 posts)
8. "What happened to me was nothing - the nothing women know all too well."
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 08:56 AM
Mar 2021

A beautiful, moving essay from The Guardian (UK) about the everyday harassment women face: [link:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/12/what-happened-women-uk-harassed-street|

Irish_Dem

(46,560 posts)
17. When are women going to be free and safe on this planet?
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 07:45 PM
Mar 2021

From unwanted sexual advances to serial killers who usually target women.
And we just take it for granted that this is our lot in life.

2naSalit

(86,333 posts)
26. It will only change when women are in charge of things.
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 10:45 PM
Mar 2021

Women will be safe when women are in power.

flying_wahini

(6,578 posts)
12. Women are sick of this crap. Men just have to grow the f up.
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 09:16 AM
Mar 2021

Hard to get out of their heads that just because you are in charge doesn’t mean you are correct.


musette_sf

(10,199 posts)
21. How about MEN stay indoors after dark?
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 08:15 PM
Mar 2021

Obviously some of them can't go out at night and stop themselves from assaulting and murdering innocent women.

madville

(7,404 posts)
23. Women are less afraid to come forward now, see the Cuomo drama
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 08:53 PM
Mar 2021

Once one or two break the ice they feel safer and the truth comes to light.

dlk

(11,514 posts)
27. The blame women first propaganda machine is ubiquitous
Mon Mar 15, 2021, 12:23 AM
Mar 2021

We have far to go in the “civilized” world.

Demovictory9

(32,423 posts)
31. I remember "take back the night" rallies in the 1980s.. events to have males consider what it's like
Mon Mar 15, 2021, 01:08 PM
Mar 2021

stay inside when darkness falls.

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