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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWell, the fascists have set their sights upon Democratic Governors
Cuomo, Witmer, Newsom...now Wolf here in PA.
And they have a clever modus operandi: they cloak their efforts in liberal righteousness and make it seem as though it’s all coming from the Left.
Somethings afoot, methinks.
What say you?
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Elessar Zappa
(16,385 posts)I haven’t seen that story yet.
PCIntern
(28,339 posts)Vaccine rollout here in PA.
It has been atrocious but much of that is due to local inadequacies and possible criminal activity. The Philly story is Unbelievable: they gave the contract to a 22-year-old who had no qualifications for dispensing vaccines or experience in any form of public health administration. He’s out and I believe there’s a grand jury..
Dorian Gray
(13,850 posts)most governors, Dem or Rep, are getting blamed for the rollouts. MA is screaming about Baker and the terrible rollout there. People are frustrated.
Once it gets smoothed out, it'll calm down.'
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Will smooth out like you said.
wnylib
(25,908 posts)Trump had NO policy for a vaccine rollout, did not buy enough initial vaccine, and did NOTHING to help step up actual production. He claims credit for the existence of a vaccine through the government acceleration program to develop one, but Pfizer came up with its own, first, without government funding.
Biden has set up a program to boost production and to organize a national distribution program.
This was deliberate on Trump's part to push blame on governors.
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)unless he can make money on it. His total focus was all about making money.
wnylib
(25,908 posts)are concerned, I believe Trump had a lot of intention to damage Dem governors with their constituents. Vengeance, retaliation, and spiteful meanness motivate him as much as money does.
In the case of NY, anything he could do to hurt Cuomo is to Trump's advantage. If he can get Cuomo replaced by a GQP governor, he can be pardoned from any convictions that occur in NY.
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)these are not the actions of an innocent man.
wnylib
(25,908 posts)Trump has been investigated for months and faces criminal charges if indicted. The investigation of Cuomo has barely started and, at this point, does not seem to involve criminal charges. Please note that I said "at this point." I will wait for the results of the Cuomo investigation.
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)As saying they have laid traps for biden.
wnylib
(25,908 posts)vindictive piece of s--t in politics before Trump. Lousy citizen, loser at business, and worthless president.
Even Nixon had some praiseworthy accomplishments. Trump is an empty shell, from head to toe.
ananda
(35,079 posts)I think it has to do with the way the Trump admin
just delivered vaccine and washed their hands of
it; and it wasn't nearly enough vaccine either.
paleotn
(22,179 posts)and this is a huge but....we actually have top line leadership in Washington now. I'm pretty confident this administration will smooth out the wrinkles in the coming days and weeks.
We're not the only ones with problems. My better half has connections in Nova Scotia, Canada and their roll out is nuts. Supply issues that are / aren't their fault, coupled with Canada's tendency to imitate Vogon Empire levels of bureaucratic stupidity.
FlyingPiggy
(3,748 posts)And not state. Too many inconsistencies w too many different intentions. Especially w obstruction politics so heavily at play by the republicans.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)...not a bug.
FlyingPiggy
(3,748 posts)
TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts).
This is what Grover Norquist & "Americans for Tax Reform" are touting.
Once they get that, they'll ram through all kinds of fuckery.
.
dalton99a
(94,084 posts)
Wednesdays
(22,540 posts)Pretty high for even cheating Repugs to climb.
NCDem47
(3,459 posts)Can't remember which network, but they lead with Cuomo and mentioned Newsom recall in the newscast. That's went my light bulb went off.
Major coordinated attack. Painting a bigger picture that Ds are inept and corrupt.
KQP/Russians/Stone/fill-in-the-facists-blank.
Boydog
(718 posts)Take down. The only thing i can't figure out is how do they make it look like Dems taking down Dems.
ancianita
(43,303 posts)So no, they don't have to make it look like Dems are taking down Dems.
All they have to do is start up the allegations and doubt machinery of the press to always amplify the worst in Democratic leaders.
Dems take it from there, and make themselves look like perfect-as-the-enemy-of-the-good purgers.
paleotn
(22,179 posts)While GQP types can brag about shooting people on 5th Ave. and no one does much of anything. 
BootinUp
(51,273 posts)PortTack
(35,820 posts)And it’s done!!
paleotn
(22,179 posts)Supposedly he's not easy to work with and can be a real jackass sometimes.
samnsara
(18,767 posts)....get gop Govs who will pardon trump of state crimes.
not fooled
(6,670 posts)in blue states.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Part of their master plan.
paleotn
(22,179 posts)They've had 1 Repuke governor since 1975.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)the most efficient attack at the moment.
PCIntern
(28,339 posts)
2naSalit
(102,582 posts)They have declared war on America and we must respond appropriately.
I have had thoughts about this and I am pretty sure it's a coordinated attack on the most influential D governors and those who could have influence over pardons and such.
Their war on America is only just firing up, we can't let our guard down and must, basically, stamp them out of any meaningful position in this country and elsewhere when possible.
ancianita
(43,303 posts)
msfiddlestix
(8,178 posts)Which I don't see mentioned often enough. The petition drives were earlier than the covid news for other specious claims, but with the onset of the shutdown last spring, the ramp up on petitions went on steroids.
That's when I learned that Gingrich and other names I never heard of and forgetting at the moment was funding it. pretending to be "grassroots".. it isn't.
But Newsom made some stupid mistakes, unforced errors and sort of soured his support values, should have known what was afoot and taken care not to attend donor fundraising events at exclusive restaurants the very moment he's mandating all restaurants suspend business, etc etc. other things too.. just stupid tone deaf stuff. Unfortunately.
I hope the hell the damage is mitigated soon.
Ford_Prefect
(8,602 posts)a normal and naturally occurring part of politics. The idea of a coordinated scheme is often pooh-poohed by editorial staff as verboten and leading into unsustainable conspiracy speculation. The facts are different and support examination in-depth which the MSM doesn't spend money on. It could also be because portions of the MSM are owned by some of the players or their surrogates.
Another aspect is the pursuit of the next 15 seconds of clickable headline which now seems to define much of news reporting format and marketing. Since news and information are considered a disposable commodity rather than an ongoing record of events the lifespan of reasoned examination has become very brief indeed.
lookyhereyou
(140 posts)Remember the media is the message general propaganda
NPR has been compromised
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Also, one can find excellent media sources if one looks for them even casually: we do ourselves no favors by saying all media is “propaganda.”
“The Medium is the Message” may not mean what you think it means.
Wounded Bear
(64,284 posts)that ended up in Ahh-nuld being gov.
msfiddlestix
(8,178 posts)There have been a lot of unmentioned benefits under Gov. Newsom which those of us on fixed low incomes have been benefiting and which we would never ever see under any Republican party, even a "moderate conservative". Much worse anything akin to a Newt Gingrich style of hypocritical policies laced with unfathomable corruption.
Not that things couldn't be better and I'm not saying it's been perfect by any stretch but we have benefited through this covid pandemic stimulus from the state wrt SNAP every month with fairly generous increases.
They'll disappear when things return to "normal" no doubt, but the food prices have been jacked up significantly, and this has really helped us get through the month without having to spend cash needed to go towards other necessities.
Also, a few months ago, it was announced that some of us will receive a generous cash stimulus in June. $600 to those on disability, and other low income classifications/groups.
I remind my friends who complain about Newsom's covid policies and other personal issues that we have it a whole lot better with him and any Democrat in office than we would if a Republican takes over. I reminded them all of the good stuff will disappear and life will be a hell of a lot harder on than it already is.
These dark forces are relentless and we have to remain vigil and united against it.
George II
(67,782 posts)
3Hotdogs
(15,337 posts)FASCISTS?
PCIntern
(28,339 posts)They take the high road....then we live to regret it. To wit: Al Franken
Republicans on the other hand, follow their own through the gates of Hell.
Joinfortmill
(21,088 posts)
Captain Zero
(8,883 posts)Audits in progress.
KS Toronado
(23,727 posts)So says FQX news & Qrump....
Blue_playwright
(1,620 posts)I think.
There’s a rumor being spewed by RWNJs that Kelly is sitting on thousands of vaccines because she wants to keep denying us our freedumbs. 🙄 one site in Wichita poked 5000 people a day all last week so I’m thinking that’s bullshit.
PCIntern
(28,339 posts)
Kid Berwyn
(24,291 posts)Last edited Mon Mar 15, 2021, 11:47 AM - Edit history (4)
In Michigan, the GOP Outrage Machine works OT to pin nursing home deaths on Gov. Gretchen Whitmer.
They are taking a playbook developed by Rupert Murdoch via Fox TV and The New York Post. They play it up a lot on the tube and in print and pretty soon the other media pick up the “story.”
The corporate media NEVER mention the reality: Whitmer did all she could to keep people in Michigan safe. Her plans were working until Dumpy tweeted: “LIBERATE MICHIGAN.”
Of course, apart from the initial flurry, there’s no coverage of the conspiracy to kidnap and kill the Governor on tee vee.
LymphocyteLover
(9,813 posts)Witmer and Newsome should be safe.
Cuomo is in trouble. Don't know how safe Wolf is.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)...fair and square, but not everybody voted for him, naturally. In the current toxic environment, there are 2 million signatures on the petition to have a recall election asap.
Whitmer is not safe. She was threatened with kidnap and assassination already, and she and her family remain in danger.
Recall is how we got Gov Schwarzenegger. There was nothing wrong with Gov Gray Davis except he was a Democrat and the next election was too far away.
GOP strategy is now to overthrow elections by whatever means. They cannot win without cheating. Looking at this thread, I see 5 Democratic governors under threat. So far.
LymphocyteLover
(9,813 posts)-- they should have good chances of getting re-elected. Whitmer is generally popular and I can't see a Rethug winning in CA. But the recall thing is worrisome as it's lower turnout and there can be more fuckery.
ancianita
(43,303 posts)"hell no we're not like you Repubs!" and throw imperfect but excellent leaders under our party bus.
Biden has said nothing. I'm with Biden.
Mime
(32 posts)There was no national policy or guidance at the time, our governors were desperately trying to get a grip on things.
Does anyone remember this? The response from the t**** administration?
"The federal government is not going to lead this response," Kushner told the group at the start of the meeting, seated in a chair taller than the others around the conference table. "It's up to the states to figure out what they want to do."
https://news.yahoo.com/details-emerge-jared-kushner-refusal-070226613.html
and this?
"the notion of the federal stockpile was it's supposed to be our stockpile; it's not supposed to be state stockpiles that they then use."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/politics/stockpile-website-edited-kushner-claim/index.html
SheltieLover
(80,238 posts)Lock them up!
flying_wahini
(8,274 posts)
modrepub
(4,095 posts)The lack of vaccine distribution in SE PA is nothing surprising given the state's distain for the Philly area. Yea, no one is doing terribly great but every day that the vaccine is administered to someone that's one more person closer we get to herd immunity and one step closer to returning to "normal". A lot of our problems can be traced back to isolation and prohibition of our regular social routines. We'll all be better off when we can congregate like we used to do.
What's more troubling in PA is the Legislature's attempt to seize the reigns of PA Government from the Executive and Judiciary branches. Republicans have controlled both sides of the Legislature for the better part of 3 decades and I don't see that changing anytime soon. The Legislature has passed a number of ballot amendments to give them a check on the Democratic advantage on state-wide voter registrations. On the Judiciary side they want to redo state-wide elections to the courts and make districts across the state. Of course there will be more districts where Republicans outnumber Democrats so the final state court make up will be more reflective of rural Republican areas than suburban and urban Democratic areas.
On the Executive side, there are several amendments that will allow the Legislature override any future Governor's emergency declarations; Governor couldn't extend emergencies beyond 21 days. The Legislature could also override any emergency declaration by a Governor.
Of course these amendments are on a Primary ballot not a General Election ballot. PA has a closed primary and a lot of Independent voters. So turnout will be low and a lot of folks won't bother showing up to just vote for amendments. I won't be surprised if turnout is light and these amendments pass.
littlemissmartypants
(33,341 posts)From https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15220476
littlemissmartypants
28. The GQP's ultimate goal is to have the states, nationwide, be governed
By Republican governors with Republican legislatures.
What part of that equation are we not getting here?
Every Democratic governor that has been attacked or maligned is a direct result of this overall goal, of having all of the states in the USA be The Republican States of America.
This has been a goal for years and it appears as though recently they are applying their favorite tactic to achieve it, "by any means necessary."
If you aren't voted out by voter suppression, then they will start a petition for recall or try to kidnap you or in this case, I believe, find any way to sully your name.
Snip...
panfluteman
(2,193 posts)For all the world, it sure seems so. This is the stuff that the decline and fall of empires and superpowers is made of. Republicans, it seems. are intentionally provoking the politically correct hyper-reactivity of the Democrats. Democratic senators like Kirsten Gillibrand, it seems, have learned absolutely nothing since the tragic Al Franken debacle. And Republicans now have a formula for going after, and eliminating, any troublesome Democratic rival.
paleotn
(22,179 posts)And it's not only our elected officials. Every damn election cycle lots of Dem voters trample all over the good searching in vain for the perfect.
Escurumbele
(4,083 posts)without an investigation. It is amazing how easy Democrats fall to this tactic...Get some women to accuse the guy, and immediately some Democratic politicians will ask for the person's resignation without even doubting the accusers...they ALL believe the women.
It is not a coincidence that these accusations have come out...I have to say that if you claim Cuomo or any other person harassed you ten years ago, your statute of limitations prevents you from accusing. If you decided then that keeping your job was worth putting up with the harassment then you have no right now to complain.
I understand that this is going to sound very harsh to many, but we have already lost good people, such as Al Franken, because Democrats want to show they do not put up with harassment, which I agree with, but jumping the gun is not the solution. Allow an investigation to go forth before you make the accuser guilty...where did "innocent until proven guilty" go?
republicans don't care about it, they know 50% of their caucus are sexual abusers, so why should we allow them to intimidate us?
PortTack
(35,820 posts)Hekate
(100,133 posts)...of which you speak.
All it takes is one accusation, and the hunt is up — from us. We eat our own. We would have brought down General Eisenhower in the midst of WWII for having a mistress.
What say I? We are in a war right now, and the republic is at stake. We are fools.
Is that too bitter and cynical? It won’t make me any friends, for sure.
Escurumbele
(4,083 posts)our own...
We don't seem to learn, happens almost automatically...a Democrat suddenly gains high relevance and BOOM!, accusations start coming against the person, whether it is sexual harassment of many years ago, or whatever they can come with, while republiacns still kiss the boots of the worst person in the world, and look the other way at his well known sexual adventures and harassments...
Sorry, but I don't buy on accusations after ten years. I continue to say that if you tolerated that behaviour and did not do anything because you valued your job more than yourself then you lost the right to complain. When you truly value yourself there is no job worth any type of harassment.
dalton99a
(94,084 posts)Always. Every single time.
It is a favorite GOP tactic: Turning their opponent's strength into a weakness
PufPuf23
(9,825 posts)Thank you for stating the obvious for many of us.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Who are more likely to be guilty of something!
maxrandb
(17,416 posts)Some folks here were calling for all 3 to resign.
Coincidental...of course
Wake up! Until there is possibly a "viable" 3RD option, the only good Retrumplican is one that's been defeated in an election
I believe it was one of our greatest Presidents who warned us about "the perfect being the enemy of the good".
The fascists have been at this for decades, for everything from President to Dogcatcher.
Please, let's not help them.
rampartc
(5,835 posts)according to the nut jobs this most conservative democratic governor is a fascist dictator who makes them wear masks and stay out of church. he might eat babies as well.
http://recallgov.com/
UCmeNdc
(9,655 posts)It is an organized effort by the GOP.
murielm99
(32,971 posts)PortTack
(35,820 posts)CommonHumanity
(363 posts)Look, I am really, really REALLY not inclined towards conspiracy theories, but let's look squarely at the evidence:
The Repubs and similarly misguided individuals and groups did coordinate to overthrow Biden's win in countless ways. And THAT is just one of the more egregious of many illegal strategies spanning decades. They will do anything to win. Nothing is off-limits in their quest for a Republican autocracy. NOTHING. It has been a strategic and planned, though sometimes bumbling, effort for decades.
Hilary spoke no lie when she referenced a vast right-wing conspiracy. Their political strategies and machinations exist within a different paradigm than those of the Dems. I repeat: Their political strategies and machinations exist within a different paradigm than those of the Dems. As such, we question the powers and causes behind events at our peril.
As progressives, we at least try to base our assumptions and conclusions on facts, science, and evidence, rather than shadowy hunches and circumstantial evidence. Well clue phone to us all - in this case, we need to look at the circumstantial evidence and the many previous nefarious plots that were only revealed after the fact.
Yes, we should continue to be analytical and seek fact-based evidence, but as the saying goes: if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks....then we should be highly suspicious at minimum. I will say it again, not to lecture, but because I believe it is so important: we fail to do so at our own peril and, until all the facts are revealed, we must be highly suspicious. That my friends should not be confused with conspiracy thinking. That my friends is healthy caution and a realistic reckoning with the realities we have seen to date.
dalton99a
(94,084 posts)The purity police and their firing squad are not our friends.
Republicans know this very well. They know how easy it was to dispatch Al Franken.
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Don't be stupid.
murielm99
(32,971 posts)Learn from Franken. Or they will keep doing it. They just tried to undermine an election!
Yeehah
(6,445 posts)We need to understand exactly who we are up against.
treestar
(82,383 posts)don't seem to have done anything wrong? Kind of like how their elections were OK and didn't need scrutiny.
DFW
(60,148 posts)Oh, no, nothing to see there, no one has "come forward" to say anything about him, so he's cleaner than an OR prior to a heart transplant.
Isn't he? He must be, we haven't seen an OP about him in months.
No electoral fraud, no felonies committed there. Stacey who?
Right?
On the other hand, five or six Democratic governors? Democrats, fix bayonets. Charge! KILL!
treestar
(82,383 posts)"rampant fraud" in states that went to Trump! FL and TX were just fine. And any down ticket Republican wins even in PA and GA!
Reminds me of how I thought if Russians interfere in our election, we should interfere in theirs. Seems we never even tried. Maybe we could get them a less autocratic, kinder and more democratic representative government!
Vinca
(53,941 posts)We should treat every initial allegation as BS because 99.9% of the time it is.
MarcATL
(81 posts)We need to be careful about this reflexive D defense.