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As long as cases get built against Democratic leaders, I will throw mine in with the rest, along with my thanks to anyone who reads it to the end.
Executive Branch officials
Joe Biden, President of the United States
State Governors
Phil Murphy, Governor of New Jersey
Gretchen Whitmer, Governor of Michigan
Candidates for the 2021 New York City mayoral election
Andrew Yang, entrepreneur
23 women of NY's General Assembly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Cuomo_sexual_harassment_allegations
Why they support Gov Cuomo:
1. They know what Andrew Cuomos history is.
2. They know how hard a governors job is in the best of times, let alone in a pandemic, dealing with a monster in the White House and an incompetent, corrupt administration.
3. They know that no Democratic leader is perfect.
4. They support Democrats.
I support Democrats who support Democrats.
I support imperfect Democratic leaders like FDR, Clinton, Franken, Biden and Cuomo, who bring their experience and skill to govern, and who do their jobs better than they can please others.
I support allegations, official investigations, full and fair assessments of Democratic leaders.
I support women who file complaints of work place toxicity and harassment to their HR, the EEOC, or police.
I support media who report factual truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
So do most New Yorkers.
They know that Gov Cuomo has done far more good for them than any single one of his Democratic detractors.
Now, after the worst of a four-year dark time is over, this governor faces the fault finding that eludes other governors who learned from his covid execution models;
they are Democratic governors who in the first pandemic of our lifetimes, made similar, more, and worse mistakes than he.
The learning curve is steep and fraught in a pandemic, and those who come out of it polititcally intact, owe a debt of gratitude to those who led them. The imperfect Democrats who want Cuomo out stand on the shoulders of Gov Cuomo and his advisers, Drs. Fauci and Zucker, who cut a path through the dark.
Governor Cuomo deserves to be understood in the context of his 40-year political pre-covid work:
Pre-covid, Gov Cuomo introduced or supported and signed
passage of New York's 2011 Marriage Equality Act,
New Yorks 2014 Compassionate Care Act, legalizing medical marijuana.
In response to the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting and the 2012 Webster shooting, Cuomo
signed the NY SAFE Act of 2013, the strictest gun control law in the United States.
co-founded the United States Climate Alliance, a group of states committed to fighting climate change by following the terms of the Paris Climate Accords.
the Medicaid expansion under the Affordable Care Act;
the 2011 restructured tax code that raised taxes for the wealthy and lowered taxes for the middle class;
12-week paid family leave along with a gradual increase of the state's minimum wage to $15; and pay equity.
More details on his governing outcomes above
In 2007, Cuomo was active in a high-profile investigation into lending practices and anti-competitive relationships between student lenders and universities. Specifically, many universities steered student borrowers to a "preferred lender," which resulted in the borrowers' incurring higher interest rates.
This led to changes in lending policy at many major American universities.
Many universities also rebated millions of dollars in fees to affected borrowers
June 10, 2008, Cuomo announced that three major Internet service providers (Verizon Communications, Time Warner Cable, and Sprint) would "shut down major sources of online child pornography" by no longer hosting many Usenet groups. Time Warner Cable ceased offering Usenet altogether, Sprint ended access to the 18,408 newsgroups in the alt.* hierarchy, and Verizon limited its Usenet offerings to the approximately 3,000 Big 8 newsgroups. The move came after Cuomo's office located 88 different newsgroups to which child pornography had been posted.
Cuomo launched a suit against the United Homeless Organization, a New York charity. He charged that the majority of the group's income was not used to provide services to the homeless but was diverted to the founders for unrelated personal expenses. In 2010, Judge Barbara R. Kapnick granted the judgement and forced the group to disband.
Cuomo signed New York's Marriage Equality Act, introducing same-sex marriage, on June 24, 2011, following an "intense public and private lobbying campaign", and later called for all states to do the same.
Cuomo was praised for his 2011 restructuring of the New York State tax code. He was also criticized for including tax increases for high earners, and for allegedly requesting a unanimous Assembly vote in favor of the proposal and threatening to campaign against Assembly members who voted "no" a charge he denied. Cuomo also received criticism from voices on the left who felt that the tax reform was insufficient.
January 15, 2013, Cuomo signed into law the first state gun control bill to pass after the December 14, 2012, Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in neighboring Connecticut. The NY SAFE Act was described as the toughest gun control law in the United States.
In 2013, Cuomo called for the passage of a Women's Equality Act.
The Women's Equality Act included 10 component bills affecting issues such as
domestic violence,
human trafficking,
pregnancy discrimination.
The tenth bill of the Women's Equality Act was the Reproductive Health Act, which would have "enshrine[d] in state law existing federal protections for abortion rights...
"[After] the 2014 election season was over, with Cuomo victorious, the governor and his lieutenant governor Kathy Hochul both declared the abortion plank of the act officially dormant, if not dead.
In 2015, the non-abortion-related Women's Equality Act bills passed both houses of the State Legislature.
In October 2015, Cuomo signed eight of the 10 Women's Equality Act bills into law (no thanks to both Republican and Democratic legislative down-votes, the abortion rights bill was not among them)...
December 17, 2014, the Cuomo administration announced a ban on hydraulic fracturing in New York State.
Cuomo announced an executive order against the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement re Israel.
April 18, 2017, Cuomo signed the New York State 2018 fiscal year budget. that included the Excelsior Scholarship, a provision that families making less than $125,000 in 2019 could have free tuition at all SUNY and CUNY universities,
August 2017, the Cuomo administration awarded more than $7 million, financed with money from large bank settlements, in grants to New York colleges to offer courses to New York prisoners.
In January 2018, Cuomo proposed reforms that would "reduce delays during trials, ban asset seizures in cases where there has been no conviction and make it easier for former convicts to get a job after leaving prison.
He also called for an end to cash bail for minor crimes.
In 2017
Cuomo's predecessors had spent decades and millions of dollars trying to figure out how to rebuild the Tappan Zee Bridge. Cuomo will open a new span later this year. (NewNYBridge)...
Cuomo has somewhere in the neighborhood of $100 billion worth of infrastructure projects underway or approved around the state, including major overhauls of Penn Station in Manhattan and JFK and LaGuardia airports. He has also devoted some $25 billion to various projects and proposals designed to boost the upstate economy.
https://www.governing.com/archive/gov-cuomo-new-york-governor-progressives.html
On January 22, 2019, Cuomo signed the 2019 version of the Reproductive Health Act, which passed days after Democrats took control of the state Senate. Cuomo ordered One World Trade Center and other landmarks to be lit in pink to celebrate the bill's passage. Cuomo's signing and the lighting of the World Trade Center building sparked intense criticism from conservatives. The Catholic cardinal Timothy Dolan criticized Cuomo over the Reproductive Health Act.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Cuomo
December 5, 2019, Cuomo announced the $15 minimum wage phase-in starting December 31
More relatively good and bad context:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/10/19/andrew-cuomo-the-king-of-new-york
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2020/05/12/cuomo-new-yorks-coronavirus-crackdown-saved-thousands-of-lives/?sh=3b8c060f5f93
We have honored Democrats who do good for their states and the nation, with all their flaws; e.g., FDR, Kennedy and Clinton had sexual lives outside their marriages during their tenures, yet we've honored them as good Democrats. Cuomo has been a Clinton Democrat.
Cuomo got us through the darkest of times when no other Democratic governor could.
Yes, the outcome of AG James investigation matters to me; yes, he's been an unlikable, demanding asshole, lonely and stressed.
Yes, no matter how many Dems here or elsewhere chorus his ousting, Democratic Governor Cuomo deserves my support.
Our bus must take America into the 21st Century.
Biden knows that through the power of our unity, which comes through mutual support,
we flawed Democrats have the knowledge, skill and heart to drive that bus.
No ifs, buts, or howevers. Whoever Joe supports, I'll support.
spooky3
(34,451 posts)How much he has accomplished, according to the law on unfair discrimination in the workplace. An appropriate penalty should be applied.
See Eric Holders blistering report on Uber, which refused to take action against a high performer.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,429 posts)makes a meticulous, thorough investigation all the more important. We can't afford to rush into instantly ousting a democratic leader every time this happens. You think the Roger Stone-types didn't notice, and won't exploit that?
The stakes are so much higher when it's an effective Democrat working on good things and some overpaid corporate executive. Two different things, in fact.
spooky3
(34,451 posts)Investigation to play out. That means not dismissing womens credible reports (per Speaker Pelosi) and not calling on Cuomo to resign now. It also means not arguing that wrongdoing is acceptable because its our guy and hes done good things.
Dorian Gray
(13,493 posts)100% cosign.
Investigate. Listen. Don't defend at all costs because people are capable of signing good legislation and still being a narcissistic asshole.
pazzyanne
(6,552 posts)pandr32
(11,582 posts)We also know, thanks to people like Michael Cohen who have explained it, that Trump threatens and/or bribes people to routinely get what he wants, and that he and Roger Stone, Manafort, and others have serious mob connections.
Trump has claimed to want revenge and the Republican Party with the help of Roger Stone already used the "he made me feel uncomfortable" pile-on against Al Franken successfully.
We need to investigate the claims of sexual harassment thoroughly. Obviously not all women who come forward with claims of sexual impropriety have not been bribed or threatened to say so, but if a mob guy did pay them a visit we need to know.
Tiger8
(432 posts)Trump desperately needs a NY Governor who will pardon him for his crimes in NY.
A weaker governor would be quite a prize for the right even without the pardon, but a pardon for 'TrumpCo' certainly would be on the to-do list.
Tiger8
(432 posts)Trump has dirt on a lot of people in NY, and will sling it far and wide if he's headed to jail.
Why did these accusers stay silent until now?
ancianita
(36,055 posts)spooky3
(34,451 posts)Is not the same as giving them a pass on sexual harassment, if it occurred, because they have done some good things.
FlyingPiggy
(3,384 posts)SheilaAnn
(9,700 posts)lot for her to leave.
Dorian Gray
(13,493 posts)was verbally abusive to his first wife, Kerry Kennedy, as well.
JI7
(89,249 posts)to resign . That doesn't mean they "support" him.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)demmiblue
(36,850 posts)Biden and Whitmer support an investigation into the matter before making a determination, like most people here.
spooky3
(34,451 posts)demmiblue
(36,850 posts)White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said Sunday that President Joe Biden supported an "independent review" of the allegations against New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo after two women accused the governor of sexual harassment.
...
"President Biden has been consistent that he believes that every woman should be heard, should be treated with respect, and with dignity. Charlotte should be treated with respect and dignity, so should Lindsey," Psaki said, referring to the two former aides that have accused Cuomo of fostering a culture of sexual harassment.
"There should be an independent review looking into these allegations, and that's certainly something he supports and we believe should move forward as quickly as possible," Psaki said during an appearance Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union."
https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-supports-independent-review-into-allegations-cuomo-2021-2
tulipsandroses
(5,124 posts)If you want to say, he violated the law, but I want him to stay. He violated his own law. This woman was wronged - speaking of Ms. Bennet, whom he issued the half assed apology to - then say so.
Not to mention he lied about the nursing home deaths for political gain. If you are OK with that. Then say so. Don't cloak that in Biden supports it so you do.
We are bigger than one man. The party is bigger than one man. Democracy is not about one person. It is always about the people. The people supporting Cuomo sound like trump sycophants. What are we telling our young women and girls? I've watched people here twist themselves into knots about how long women take to report harassment when they did no such thing when it came to Christine Blasey Ford. The hypocrisy is troubling.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)When Cuomo faced a Democratic primary challenge from his left flank in the form of actress and education advocate Cynthia Nixon, Biden appeared at the state Democratic convention to praise the governor. Biden would also appear in a TV ad endorsing Cuomo ahead of the primary
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/ny-state-of-politics/2020/11/09/biden-transition-team-pledges-support-for-states
n an April 1 appearance with late-night talk-show host Jimmy Fallon, Mr. Biden praised the governor, who at the time was being widely hailed for his leadership on COVID-19.
Your governor in New Yorks done one hell of a job. I think hes the gold standard, Mr. Biden said...
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/feb/21/jen-psaki-punts-joe-biden-support-andrew-cuomo/
spooky3
(34,451 posts)ancianita
(36,055 posts)Last edited Tue Mar 16, 2021, 02:08 AM - Edit history (1)
Which stands as he's not changed his "before" statements about Cuomo.
For now I'll leave it to you and wikipedia to present that point when it's made in the press.
Until Biden makes an "after" statement that he doesn't support him, my position is to stand with Biden's "before" statements that he does.
spooky3
(34,451 posts)that say that he supports an investigation. Bye now.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)I also posted links about his support for Cuomo.
So okay, bye.
Dorian Gray
(13,493 posts)lol
tulipsandroses
(5,124 posts)I assumed you meant he had weighed in his support regarding the allegations on the side of Cuomo. My bad. It would be very unlike him not to work with any elected official. Jen Psaki has said that the president believes these women should be heard. He is going to work with the Lt. Gov if Cuomo steps down. The party is not about one man or one person. The party is about the people. The beauty of this party is that we have many capable and talented people. This party should always be about the people, never about any one man. There will be other smart democrats that will bring great ideas. If you are going to tout Cuomo's achievements, then don't forget his "missteps" -
Sex sells - so the media is covering the harassment issue relentlessly, the nursing home cover up is not getting the coverage it should. To me that says a lot about character. I suppose people believe that his long time aide Melissa De Rosa was paid off to say that they believed the data would be used against them or Cuomo knew nothing about it. At the same time we were praising him for his press conferences, myself included, they knew what was happening with the nursing homes.
demmiblue
(36,850 posts)White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said Sunday that President Joe Biden supported an "independent review" of the allegations against New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo after two women accused the governor of sexual harassment.
...
"President Biden has been consistent that he believes that every woman should be heard, should be treated with respect, and with dignity. Charlotte should be treated with respect and dignity, so should Lindsey," Psaki said, referring to the two former aides that have accused Cuomo of fostering a culture of sexual harassment.
"There should be an independent review looking into these allegations, and that's certainly something he supports and we believe should move forward as quickly as possible," Psaki said during an appearance Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union."
https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-supports-independent-review-into-allegations-cuomo-2021-2
Sur Zobra
(3,428 posts)but these are my sentiments on the matter. In politics, my fealty is to ideals, principles, to right and wrong, not to a single politician. For every Governor Cuomo there are many more Democrats who could do his job. As with Franken, why do some DUers believe that only these two men can deliver us from evil
oldsoftie
(12,535 posts)The stories these women have told have a LOT more backup than Blasey Ford ever had, yet these women are being viewed with such suspicion on a constant basis. One woman even has the text messages with her mom at the time her incident was happening discussing her discomfort.
I dont see the President putting in ANY comment unless he feels its really needed.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Enough of the "he was accused so he is guilty" witch hunt. Republicans know they can get us with that.
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)This stirring up the masses is not a Democratic trait. Due process is especially important after Franken.
Notice all Als accusers faded away after Al was railroaded. This sudden epiphany of accusers will always be suspect to me.
Im especially disappointed that Democratic women working with a Democratic Governor never ever spoke up to him or any authority at the time. I always have and it worked for me to stop any unwelcome attention. And this is what this case seems like to me. Sure, I know Ill get pushback for thinking a person is innocent until proven guilty in court and not in public opinion.
I think Cuomo May have an inflated ego; thinking hes a crack politician who can speak stupid shit.
If I rushed to judgement, every employer I ever had over thirty would be in a class action suit.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)POLONIUS
My lord, I will use them according to their desert.
HAMLET
Gods bodykins, man, much better. Use every man after his desert, and who should scape whipping?
Use them after your own honor and dignity.
The less they deserve, the more merit is in your bounty. Take them in.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)Habibi
(3,598 posts)hlthe2b
(102,263 posts)see a systematic investigation of the facts, accusing them of fomenting conspiracy theories or worse that they simply don't believe women--any women-- (and the more the pile-on from those who can/will benefit politically (or believe that they will benefit), the more I take a determined step back. The implications of establishing the "no-tolerance" for those based solely on accusations-- sans any systematic nonbiased review/investigation of those accusations-- is not only unjust, but it also threatens to set back efforts to deal with sexual misbehavior that causes lasting harm to its victims.
But, for those that merely want to join the expedient lynch mob, rather than wait for such systematic investigation it is unlikely those future harms have any real impact. Self-determined piety, consequences be damned, is a dangerous, but powerfully motivating force.
druidity33
(6,446 posts)paleotn
(17,912 posts)then we can decide on what's appropriate. Until then, I'm withholding judgement. Maybe wrongly, but I am.
IbogaProject
(2,811 posts)I support him, however his record is as a pro business moderate.
Medical marijuana without actual marijuana, super expensive concentrates & only 5 state wide licenses w 4 or 5 locations each. He litigated against same sex marriage. He supported turncoat idc Democrat traitors who gave Republicans state Senate majority.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)No one doubts Cuomos ability to get deals done. He has a better sense than any lobbyist of how individual legislators can be stroked and persuaded on an issue. He has advanced political sonar, says Blair Horner, director of the New York Public Interest Research Group (NYPIRG). He can see issues coming. He can plan ahead. Hes often steps ahead of his legislative colleagues.
... Progressives here are simply not in love with Gov. Cuomo, in terms of seeing him as an authentic person they want to represent them, says Jeanne Zaino, a political scientist at Iona College. When politicians seem like they are not authentically committed to whatever is the cause, theyre going to take a hit on that.
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)When they do people start saying they are pushy and have defective personality traits.
We have many jurists and psychologists ready to hang Cuomo in the court of public opinion.
Biden supports Cuomos right to a fair investigation.
Thats all this thread is really about.
Yet, some read way more into it than one mans right to fair justice.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)course and if he did anything criminal he should be removed.
If it can be proven that he acted like a complete jackass he should consider resigning but that is entirely his choice and
if the women are proven to be lying they should be held accountable.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)How about if the women are confronted with their own past lack of adult responsibility to defend themselves through filing complaints through HR, the EEOC or police? That would have gone a long way to de-escalating the situations they now 'responsibly' allege existed. What would you think of them for not doing those things.
Women in the halls of political power are going to have to merit their wins beyond grievances against men. Women have to step up for themselves and not just get propped by public sympathy.
Hillary stepped up for herself, not relying on public sympathy, and so should these women have done.
Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)That means his actions and the women making the accusations.
After all it's completely possible that it is a smear campaign though it is unlikely given the number of women.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)However. What makes you think the greater the number, the lesser the likelihood of a smear campaign. Now that you raise the point, it seems to me that smearing is done through increasing the numbers of relative political unknowns. That's how I've seen it done time and time again.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)because it becomes harder for an investigation not to uncover a paper trail which is another reason one should be started as the longer it takes the easier it becomes to hide it should one exist.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)to withstand your definition of a smear campaign.
The best paper trail to uncover would have been the one that these aggrieved allegers could have begun with their HR, EEOC or police. It doesn't exist. It is, however, getting built right now by women in high places who build cases to create spaces for women to win in. If that's their idea of power politics, they'll find out the limitations of their wins the hard way -- being measured by what they get done once they win -- so they'd better get ready to do just that. Winning by grievance is a republican thing, isn't it.
demmiblue
(36,850 posts)Your whole response...
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)I do blame women for not speaking out at the time. I understand why they dont. However, I dont respect that they didnt.
Change is hard. Standing up for your own self is something women just dont do.
Personal responsibility isnt just for people who are brave.
We are strong we are invincible.
That mantra is not lip service. And its been around for decades.
If one endured abuse for years and wait until someone else speaks up first, then I think they can wait to express it in court.
Legal and judicial.
treestar
(82,383 posts)That is just not true. Using that statement is unfair. It hasn't been established and that's the point. Bad faith argument.
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)Ignoring all history and reasons why women don't jump right up make reports.
Nixie
(16,953 posts)number of women doesnt matter. They have an established agenda. Justice Democrats was started by an ex Republican.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)Are almost never held accountable. By this I mean the accuser. And the accuseds life, career etc. can be ruined. Now on accusations alone. I will never support that.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)is warranted.
Both to determine if he did what they are accusing him of doing but also to determine if the women are lying and if they are then why are they?
That is also why I think asking everyone involved to sign an affidavit under oath could help as if someone blinks and refuses then the odds are they are not telling the truth be it the women or be it Cuomo.
dalton99a
(81,485 posts)Cuomo deserves his day in court, just like anyone else.
Trueblue1968
(17,217 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)I hope he comes out clean of the other end of the investigation.
PufPuf23
(8,775 posts)I am disgusted with those that maintain a drumbeat for Cuomo to resign even without investigation.
Looks to me like some Democratic pols are willing to cooperate with the GOP / trumpsters in removal of Cuomo to enhance their own political positions. We have observed the same pattern in the not so recent past. We have double standards within our own Party.
That is a strong statement that Joe Biden supports Cuomo. I supported Biden for POTUS and so far the Biden administration has performed far beyond my most hopeful expectations.
George II
(67,782 posts)....that he's done some of the things he's now mysteriously being accused of.
azureblue
(2,146 posts)and rule of law. Let the accusations be stated and substantiated in a court of law. Not in the court of public opinion Let the accusers take the stand and tell their stories.
If he is found guilty then he should step down. But not until. Coumo is right to stand his ground - he refuses to be bulldozed out of office, and I suspect the timing of these accusations.
MichMan
(11,920 posts)Even if testimony clearly indicates that the behaviors were unethical and disgusting?
Im all for due process, but does sexual harassment in the workplace only occur if someone is found guilty in a court of law?
Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)PAC to take down Schumer and Gillibrand. She has also gone after both Kamala Harris and Joe Biden. I dislike her and am beginning to doubt her story. No doubt over the years, Cuomo has made enemies who are piling on. K&R
ancianita
(36,055 posts)What has detractor Gillibrand done for New Yorkers that comes close to Cuomo's work. I'm with you re Gillibrand.
Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)ancianita
(36,055 posts)summer_in_TX
(2,738 posts)Lindsey Boylan, one of several former staffers who have accused New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo of sexual harassment, said Friday that she intends to support efforts to unseat Democratic Sens. Chuck Schumer and Kristen Gillibrand after they trailed behind other party leaders in calling for the governor to resign.
[ snip ]
ancianita
(36,055 posts)summer_in_TX
(2,738 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,904 posts)Tossing him first and finding truth later is not justice nor good politics.
FBaggins
(26,735 posts)Those arent Democrats who support Cuomo
They support an independent investigation.
Now post the list from the same site of those calling for his resignation
ancianita
(36,055 posts)Democrats including me. Including Democrats at large. I start with Democratic leadership. I've made my case, which is a fair accounting of his faults.
You want a complete list? Go to the site I first linked and post it yourself. Make sure you can further link why they don't support him. That would tell the whole truth of their position.
For that matter, why not make their case on your own OP and let's see how it furthers the Democratic Party's identity before the nation.
FBaggins
(26,735 posts)You felt no compunctions against fabricating why the handful who were merely calling for an investigation were actually supporting him.
Take another look at how looong that first list is. There are more than enough assembly members to impeach... and within a handful of enough state senate members to remove.
or that matter, why not make their case on your own OP and let's see how it furthers the Democratic Party's identity before the nation
Im not interested in making a case for his removal. He appears to have done that entirely on his own. Im just not interested in racing to his defense when it appears that all it will do is pull more of the party down with him when he goes.
When hes gone it helps Biden not at all for people to think that he supported Cuomo despite the allegations... particularly for the ridiculous reasons you made up. I dont want that to be our identity before the nation (gag)
ancianita
(36,055 posts)You can knock off accusing me of "fabricating." I presented opinions and links for and against him, with a statement of how unity has historically been made in the Democratic party.
No flawed Democrats have pulled the party down with them. None.
Make this about me and challenging the quality of my post, and one could say you're backseat modding and trying to pull me down with your unfair opinions that have nothing to do with my case.
Thanks for pointing out posting flaws I should learn about.
FBaggins
(26,735 posts)You are free to have your own "case" for why you support him. Just don't put your words in others' mouths as if they agree with you.
You can knock off accusing me of "fabricating."
No thanks. You made up out of whole cloth a list of people "supporting" him and why they supported him.
It's an entirely reasonable position to say that we support due process and don't want to kick a democrat out of office without first making sure that allegations are accurate - and I suspect that is what that (short) list of Democrats believes as well. But you're not doing that. Nowhere do I see "of course if an investigation shows the claims to be accurate - he has to go". You're giving the right-wing spin machine all the ammunition they need to make the allegation that we "believe all women" until it's a Democrat being accused. You appear to support him because some amount of "flaws" (read - sexual abuse/harassment) are acceptable if a politician holds the right positions.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)To your
I said
I support allegations, official investigations, full and fair assessments of Democratic leaders.
I support women who file complaints of work place toxicity and harassment to their HR, the EEOC, or police.
You're the one fabricating here. Yours is a hostile opinion couched as critique.
FBaggins
(26,735 posts)And implied that it should be OUR case (despite the VERY long list of Democratic leadership who obviously disagree)
ancianita
(36,055 posts)man.
Because my first sentence:
As long as cases get built against Democratic leaders, I will throw mine in with the rest, along with my thanks to anyone who reads it to the end.
FBaggins
(26,735 posts)You obviously did not agree that if the charges were substantiated, it doesn't matter how much he has accomplished.
That position is not held by Biden (despite your claim), nor should any Democrat hold it. Implying that they do is dishonest (even if just with yourself).
ancianita
(36,055 posts)Cuomo, or any Democratic leader's lifetime achievement, for that matter.
You're the one with the dishonest motives in making this post all about me.
treestar
(82,383 posts)supporting investigation. It's sad there is an opinion that accusations should be enough. That's witch hunt territory. We don't like Republicans doing that.
brooklynite
(94,541 posts)Simple question: and a Democrat who thinks hes innocent of the accusations.
ahoysrcsm
(787 posts)Black and white, no tolerance policy. Any Democratic public figure not calling for immediate resignation and for an investigation becomes a supporter.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)1) Investigation.
2) No news unless it's relevant, substantiated and new.
3) That's it.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)But Groupthink is a powerful force. Heck ask anyone who believes in My Body, My Choice and Semi forced Jabs. Talk about oxymoronic.
Groupthink will likely take Cuomo down also.
Random Boomer
(4,168 posts)She was raised in New York, in a political family, and she warned her friends: "Don't put your trust in Cuomo. He's not who you think he is. Eventually he's going to go down." She knew he had a checkered history that ran contrary to his current PR image.
She's often right, so I wasn't surprised when these accusations began to appear and then gather momentum. I'm also waiting for the investigations, but I'm not expecting exoneration.
Trump is not the only bullying narcissist in politics, and not all of them are Republicans. Out with them all.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)If you think this party can "out with them all," you'll have a party that takes a knife to a gun fight.
Mend it, don't end it, I say. I'm a boomer, too. We would not be the party we are without Democratic leaders who can beat Republicans at their worst.
Don't make simple false equivalencies.
Cuomo is not a version of Trump.
Cuomo beat Trump before, during and after that monster's four years of destruction.
Neither Trump, his trumpcult, nor their dark money enablers are fit to shine Cuomo's shoes.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)It's amazing how People will turn on a dime by hearing certain things. Again, have no idea if Cuomo will survive this however, the flip from He Is A Covid Hero to He Is A COVID Harasser has been quite telling on how Groupthink works.
Just ask those who believe in My Body, My Choice as it comes to ALL Healthcare and how they are being treated now since may think that Choice doesn't count anymore due to COVID and Groupthink.
judesedit
(4,438 posts)young and old. The same actions that are being brought to light now have been happening forever. I'm glad these things are being brought to the forefront, but let's be honest here, men and women, too. Both sides are guilty of it. Hopefully, everyone is learning that sexual harassment can be construed differently by different people and if you know what's good for you, you'd better watch your step. Until Cuomo is proven to have done something illegal, he should not resign. We don't need any Franken bullshit railroading.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)and believing his protests of innocence, I've learned to sit back and wait and see what comes out before calling for resignation or denying the accusers' accounts.
It's hard for me to shut up and wait, but I've learned from experience.
MustLoveBeagles
(11,605 posts)His sexting with a minor was a deal breaker for me.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)at the end with his stupid laptop full of junk.
Then in his infinite arrogance, he decided to run for mayor!
Weiner= Wanker.
Polybius
(15,411 posts)Bookmarking.
calimary
(81,261 posts)Facts and track record.
NO Democrat is perfect! Who among us is? But Id rather have an imperfect Democrat ANYWHERE in ANY position than have a republi-CON in there who thinks he/she is perfect (or at least holier than thou - which does seem to be the vast majority of them).
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)In The end, it End Up with Nothing.
No one is Perfect. No One. Cuomo is not Perfect. No Politician is Perfect. No Talking Head (even in a Lab Coat) on TV is Perfect. No Doctor is Perfect. We ALL as Humans have ISSUES.
Yet, so many expect everyone to fall in line and walk the thin line without imperfection.
All of Nothing Politics at its Best. Even when things are not Political at all.
dalton99a
(81,485 posts)for womanizing, bad language and poor behavior
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)From that point, sadly. About two more steps forward and there we go....
ancianita
(36,055 posts)Meowmee
(5,164 posts)Sad to see that fascism on the left is happy to forego democratic principles of justice to push their targets out.
calimary
(81,261 posts)iluvtennis
(19,854 posts)MustLoveBeagles
(11,605 posts)If at the conclusion of it the accusers accusations are substantiated I'll join the calls for his resignation but not before.
crickets
(25,976 posts)peggysue2
(10,828 posts)Let the damn investigation proceed. Then the Governor's fate will be determined.
Has the Franken debacle colored my position? Most definitely. Franken should have waited for the Ethics Committee to investigate and rule before resigning, before listening to the growing roar for his immediate dismissal.
Same applies to Governor Cuomo. If we believe in the rule of law, why are we so quick to dismiss it in these cases? Do this the right way by allowing the process to play out. The accusations will be proven true. Or not. Either way, this matter should not be thrown to the court of public opinion. It serves no one's interest.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)I can move into that place myself, now, but had to get my case for off my chest, since we've historically been inconsistent about Democratic leadership. In FDR's case, there was no high speed communications and news networks to report, and so no public knowledge and feedback. In Clinton's case, he got feedback through winning his second term. Then came Franken and immediate storm of allegation mongering.
Re your "The accusations will be proven true," what I'll be interested in reading is what the law says that proves allegations true. There's been no original paper trail by these women. It will be a surprise to me if we see documentation beyond their own statements and those of witnesses. So we'll see.
Thank you for your thoughts.
Wild blueberry
(6,628 posts)Timing is peculiar, is all I'm saying.
brooklynite
(94,541 posts)Wild blueberry
(6,628 posts)Just wondering about the timing. Getting a whiff of Qpuke rat-fucking.
brooklynite
(94,541 posts)Most of the Senior Democratic officials in the Cuomo Administration?
ahoysrcsm
(787 posts)JCMach1
(27,558 posts)As they did Trump's rape lawsuits/ cases...
ancianita
(36,055 posts)But then there's that double standard of scandal coverage, as we saw with the tan suit scandal and everything else Obama said and did. Probably too late, anyway.
Except for reports on President Biden, I can't remember the last time they changed course on Democrats. Whoever their audience is, it sure isn't me.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)From The New York Times
On a personal level, their allies say, Mr. Biden and Mr. Cuomo enjoy an easy rapport that has matured into a deeper friendship. In 2015, their candid conversations about the presidency took place in a period of mourning for both men: Mr. Biden had recently lost his son, Beau, to brain cancer. Mr. Cuomo was still mourning his father, who died on New Years Day. Mr. Biden traveled to New York for Mario Cuomos wake, and Mr. Cuomo attended Beau Bidens wake in Dover, Del.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/us/politics/biden-cuomo-coronavirus.html
February 25 2021
President Joe Biden listens as Gov. Andrew Cuomo, D-N.Y., speaks during a virtual meeting of the National Governors Association, in the South Court Auditorium on the White House campus in Washington. The Democratic governor is struggling through a sexual harassment scandal thats testing the limits of his partys support as Democrats grapple with their first political crisis of the post-Trump era.
(AP Photo/Evan Vucci)
oldsoftie
(12,535 posts)That was yesterday
Hardly a rousing statement of support.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)None of what Biden says discounts the good Cuomo's done.
oldsoftie
(12,535 posts)Your post suggested Biden supported Cuomo; now you're saying it doesnt matter WHAT Biden says.
Warpy
(111,255 posts)and since some of the women have filed official complaints, letting the system work.
What I don't support is hounding good Democrats out of office because they're jerks to women. If "Me Too" did anything, it should have given us the confidence to speak up when our boundaries get crossed, first to the person who is doing it (take your hands off me, I don't like it) and then to HR if it doesn't stop. Going to the press, including FB and Twitter, should be the last resort and only used to find other victims who are willing to speak up and then filing suit.
I'm sink of the whole thing. I'm sick of males (and a few women) who think people who there to work for a paycheck are some sort of personal harem. I'm sick of the fear that chokes off the voices of women who want to tell assholes in full rut to leave them alone. I'm sick of Republicans exploiting this shit against Democrats while largely ignoring their worse problems. I'm sick of trial by Twitter and the Democratic circular firing squad.
Mostly I'm sick of emotionally fragile people who play out their own frustration with this garbage system by shrieking for vicarious vengeance against officeholders. Enough, already. Focus on what is important. I'd much rather hear him explain why he falsified the Covid death data from nursing homes, but the sex stuff is drowning all that out.
JCMach1
(27,558 posts)Until there is something else to report.
How many times are Dems and the MSM going to fall for the Roger Ailes 'Monkey Business' play?
Warpy
(111,255 posts)C'mon. We all know that.
tulipsandroses
(5,124 posts)She was transferred. He and his office violated his own laws that he signed on how her claim should have been handled. An investigation should have been started immediately. For all the talk here about let the investigation proceed, no one seems to want to ask why Cuomo did not ask for one months ago when Ms. Bennet reported this. Ms.Bennett followed the rules. Cuomo did not. Yet somehow, folks expect everyone to join in the bandwagon to circle around someone with such questionable character Not just this, the nursing home deaths, and going back to the Moreland Commission. Just because he got under trump's skin, doesn't mean I am going to anoint him the Democratic King and act like he can do no wrong
The party should be bigger than one man or one personality.
JCMach1
(27,558 posts)Warpy
(111,255 posts)Ms. Bennett will now get her day in court and so will he. This is how things are supposed to work in this country.
I'm sick to death of this double standard. The only way to end it is to insist on due process.
robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)He was in the first tranche of calling for resignation. Add people in my neighborhood who are livid. we have a pandemic hero one said.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)Which is why they stopped polling
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)That I dont support creepy men hitting on women less than half their age. If there was only one coming forward, I would have questions. The line of women waiting to tell their stories makes me think this was a culture in his office. Having worked for creepy men like that, Ill take a hard pass, thanks. Good job listing all of his accomplishments but they pale significantly when hes hitting on his staff.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)when you're going to say that a collection of stories that make him "creepy" is more significant than the good he's done millions, half of them women, then I have to say I don't support that judgment. I've worked for creepy men, too. I stepped up, told them in no uncertain terms to not get personal with me under any circumstances and we'll get on fine. And we did. Women have to be responsible adults about their own feelings and behaviors when men act "creepy," shut that own, and if men persist, file formal complaints to HRs, the EEOC or even police, not nurture grievance and later try to criminalize creepy. imo, the politics of grievance is a creepy republican thing. If women are adults, they'll act professionally about men's work behaviors, boss or no.
LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)In your perfect world maybe. I just quit those jobs because the pursuit was relentless. Im retired now. I dont take crap from anyone but when I was young and starving, things were a lot different.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)the regular world of legal recourse that women can and should use. I'm in my 70's and remember that I threatened to report, and it worked. It's also illegal to fire anyone for reporting, and so bosses either get professional or lose their jobs.