Jill Wine-Banks just said Cuomo deserves due process and the process should proceed....

[George II]

"We have to wait for the full investigation, he was elected by the people."

THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME!!!

[Me.]

1. I Agree

and am glad she said let the process continue.

[PortTack]

6. Absolutely!

[MustLoveBeagles]

50. So do I

[MustLoveBeagles]

51. So do I

[kcr]

2. It's not up to Jill Wine-Banks n/t

[LisaL]

5. Who is it up to?

He was elected.

[kcr]

10. The Dems who are leading the impeachment inquiry n/t

[Just_Vote_Dem]

15. Which was reccommended by the Repubs in February

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2021/02/18/assembly-gop-introduces-resolution-calling-for-cuomos-impeachment-1364276

[kcr]

19. Look. Are we supposed to investigate or not?

Or is only a Cuomo-led psudo-investigation okay with you?

[Just_Vote_Dem]

24. Never said that

And you know it. Have a nice day.

[kcr]

25. You implied it

By suggesting it was somehow tainted by the mere fact that the Republicans also wanted it.

[DownriverDem]

49. Gee

Why don't you want the investigation to be done first? Didn't we learn anything from what happened to Sen Franken?

[lapucelle]

16. They're conducting a full investigation. It appears that they on board with Jill Wine Banks.

[kcr]

18. That's right

So, I really don't get all the foaming at the mouth over the persecution of Cuomo. Except, what am I talking about. I do. I said at the beginning that Me Too wouldn't actually change anything. DU is no exception.

[lapucelle]

23. So it appears that you agree with Jill Wine-Banks as well.

[kcr]

26. Mostly. I don't oppose an investigation

I'm also not against him resigning and think it would be best if he did. I don't believe this is a grand conspiracy against Cuomo by the GOP. Somehow, I doubt Wine-Banks does either, but it's politics.

[lapucelle]

29. Best for whom? N/T

[kcr]

44. Well, for one, best for New Yorkers who want timely vaccines

One Democratic county executive was so unsettled by the outreach from Larry Schwartz, head of the state’s vaccine rollout, that the executive on Friday filed notice of an impending ethics complaint with the public integrity unit of the state attorney general’s office, the official told The Washington Post. The executive feared the county’s vaccine supply could suffer if Schwartz was not pleased with the executive’s response to his questions about support of the governor.

From https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/cuomo-schwartz-vaccine-calls/2021/03/14/18f2e320-8448-11eb-9ca6-54e187ee4939_story.html

Here's the thing. I thought Franken was innocent. But I did not think the problem with how he was treated was that there were calls for his resignation, in and of themselves. The problem was that there were calls for his resignation despite the lack of evidence. I think people got that mixed up then, and they're getting it mixed up now. There is nothing wrong with calling for resignation in the face of mounting, overwhelming evidence, and it isn't depriving him of his due process any more than anyone taking a guilty plea.

[George II]

54. And there you have it - a unnamed county executive complaining that his/her county will be....

....shortchanged. Who is it?

What's interesting is the vaccine in NYS isn't being distributed on a county-by-county basis, so counties per se won't be "shortchanged".

[lapucelle]

56. The assertion that Cuomo's resignation would be best for New Yorkers who want timely

vaccines is frankly bewildering. Are you accusing Cuomo of playing politics with vaccine distribution?

I'm not sure why the unnamed county executive is unsettled by something Larry Schwartz did or why he would think that his county's vaccine supply would suffer if Larry Schwartz was displeased with his response.

I'm additionally not sure why anyone would jump to frankly disgusting, unsupported conclusions about Larry Schwartz playing politics with vaccines; nor is it clear why anyone would conflate Larry Schwartz with Andrew Cuomo.

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-updates-new-yorkers-state-vaccination-program-22

[caber09]

59. As actual New Yorker and voter in NY...

What overwhelming evidence? Several allegations...some of them ridiculous like he made fun of my purple phone? Public photos of events taken in public with pictures of him doing it to men women and children he meets on the record yet now years later deemed inappropriate...accusers who are refusing to talk to police...one in boylan who is now taking her third shot at cuomo...and now running for office again and a PAC against other dems...even blasting Biden Harris..and in the case of the one accusing him of groping her, refusing to file a report and refusing to talk to Albany police despite them coming directly...it's a serious accusation that must be taken seriously..strange she's not answering the police...why is that?? there are just allegations for now ...due process is def warranted an investigation is needed...if he is found to have done something illegal then he will have to go...stop frankening him no need to resign as of now.

[George II]

61. The tweets you reference (i.e., the PAC, campaigning against, and Biden/Harris bashing):

[caber09]

63. Yep her tweets prove my point..

Let the investigation play out she seems awfully motivated to take down any and all democrats even Pres Biden and VP Harris..let her answer questions from proper authorities..good thing we didn't do this to Biden when Tara Reade was in the news.

[George II]

64. Yes, the Tara Reade and Lucy Flores stories went away mighty quickly when people started....

....looking into them.

The Flores thing was really bizarre. She was photographed just minutes after he "did" what she said, grabbing his hand in the air and grinning ear to ear. The funny think about that was she claimed he "sniffed the back of my hair", not thinking that he's about a foot taller than her, how could he do that?

[Rhiannon12866]

66. Well said! I'm also a New Yorker and I agree

Throughout this nightmare of a pandemic, I've been grateful that I live in New York and that we have a proactive governor who listens to the science and who has mandated precautions to keep us safe.

The fact that these allegations from years ago are just surfacing now is suspicious as can be - Governor Cuomo opposed Trump's ridiculous "hoax" claims and became a national leader on dealing with this terrible pandemic just as Al Franken opposed Trump's unqualified nominees.

[wnylib]

68. I am also a New Yorker and agree

with everything you said.

[Me.]

53. Soledad Obrien Was On With Jill

and agreed

[Ocelot II]

7. No, but she's certainly entitled to express her opinion.

[Fullduplexxx]

17. As are we all ... right?

[PortTack]

8. She's a respected prosecutor from the watergate era..she is a voice of experience and reason

[FoxNewsSucks]

13. Who said it was?

She's more than qualified to offer an expert opinion, and it just happens to be the right one.

Let the process play out, without rush, then take appropriate action.

[Beastly Boy]

37. You are right. It is up to due process, not Jill Wine Banks.

Everybody is entitled to it, both the accusers and the accused, in equal measure.

[kcr]

38. By all means, due process

Part of the actual, legal due process is the guilty plea. Cuomo stepping aside in the face of overwhelming evidence isn't as egregious as many are making it out to be. Sorry. It just isn't.

[Beastly Boy]

40. Jill Wine Banks did not reject the possibility of a guilty plea.

What she appears to say is what you are saying: by all means, due process. And it is unreasonable to expect a guilty plea before due process even started. It usually comes at the very end of due process, if ever. And calling the evidence overwhelming before it was even introduced into due process is a bit premature, no?

[kcr]

41. I'm not really arguing with Jill Wine-Banks

The OP is using Jill Wine-Banks to bolster their own opinions which are counter to mine.

[Beastly Boy]

52. What the OP did was quote Banks, and the only opinion he expressed was, and I quote:

"THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME!!!".

One of the opinions you expressed was "By all means, due process", which is in complete agreement with both the OP and Banks. There is no opinion the OP expressed that is counter to yours. And there is no Jill Wine Banks quote that the OP posted that is counter to your opinion.

You did, however, offer one opinion which is absolutely counter to Banks' as well as the OP's: "Part of the actual, legal due process is the guilty plea. Cuomo stepping aside in the face of overwhelming evidence isn't as egregious as many are making it out to be". I take issue with this opinion as well: you are calling for a guilty plea from the accused even before, and in circumvention of, due process taking place; you are conflating a resignation with a guilty plea, which it is not; you are elevating accusations to the status of evidence, which it is not - it is up to an inquiry that marks the beginning of due process to determine whether these accusations are credible enough to be introduced as evidence; you are calling the accusations against Cuomo "overwhelming evidence" even before they have been introduced into evidence.

So which is it? Due process by all means or to hell with due process? In this context, I don't care one bit about Cuomo, I am defending the merits of due process.

[Cha]

57. Sigh.. TY Beastly

[Beastly Boy]

60. Mahalo, Cha!

[2naSalit]

75. in the face of overwhelming evidence

What evidence? All I've seen/heard so far are accusations. As a person who is routinely accused of all kinds of shit I never did, I would like to see actual evidence and due process play out.

This smells like a hit job and I will wait to see actual evidence before deciding who is guilty or innocent.

[Cozmo]

42. Who said it was? It's her opinion and that of Nancy Pelosi and that of mine

Freedom to voice your opinion is only fair, right?

[FlyingPiggy]

3. That's how I feel. I think he deserves a fair investigation

Before we just toss him out the door.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

4. K & R, me too! n/t

[secondwind]

9. Same here...

And let the chips fall where they may.

[Polly Hennessey]

11. Thank you Jill. Hearing all of the accusers

and their supporters make claims without a proper investigation made me uneasy. We are so quick to label men as offenders before due process. I am always hesitant to voice an opinion on these matters as a certain DU crowd will swoop down and tell you to shut up because the accusers are always right. No they are not. Thanks again Jill. He was elected by the people of New York, not the “Me Too” movement or his accusers.

[malaise]

12. It's been good enough for me from day one

and no one would call me a Cuomo fan.

[ananda]

34. Same.

I don't like Cuomo that much either.

But he's a Democrat and he's done some good things.

I don't want to see any Democrats calling for heads
in their own party until a full investigation is done.

We have to stop eating each other.

Let the Reeps do that.

[malaise]

35. That simple

[3auld6phart]

43. Amanda

Thanks Amanda. Words of wisdom well stated.

[George II]

74. Over the years I've found his public demeanor a bit boorish, one can only imagine him....

....in his work environment. But that doesn't mean his career and accomplishments should be destroyed by innuendo or perhaps untrue claims.

How many of us have had what would be called "abusive" bosses? I know I certainly have.

[padah513]

14. Personally, I think he's a pompous ass

But I'm getting tired of us always feeding our own to the wolves without allowing them their day in the courts.

[George II]

21. I'm not a fan of his personality-wise, and I wasn't impressed with him his first year or two....

But he's developed into a very productive and impressive Governor. With re-election coming up next year and him at the top of his approval ratings, I'm not surprised something like this has come up.

[NurseJackie]

20. Due process is important. She is absolutely correct.

Fair is fair. He should not be "Franken-ed" out of office.

[SheltieLover]

47. Kompromat is putins game

Let's not forget how he kept us sane a year ago!

[Happy Hoosier]

22. I agree.

I take the accusations very seriously, but let’s not make an Al Franken mistake.

[BobTheSubgenius]

27. What did Jill Wine-Banks do to disqualify her from having an opinion?

An opinion that's shared by millions.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

28. I remember how Al Franken was treated

[Bayard]

33. This

And we lost a very good senator who would have been invaluable over the past few years.

Cuomo deserves his investigation. With both he and Gov. Newsome, I suspect some nefarious rethuglican plot, but would very much like to hear his accusers. They also deserve an investigation.

[Joinfortmill]

30. Agree

[dlk]

31. Innocent until proven guilty

As appealing as it may be, trying someone in the court of public opinion has its flaws.

[peggysue2]

32. And I agree with Jill Wine-Banks

Governor Cuomo is not being charged for a less than charming personality. He's an elected official who deserves due process as any other citizen. Let the investigation proceed to conclusion. The cards will then fall as they may.

[iluvtennis]

36. Agree with Jill Wine- Banks 100% - let the investigation proceed. nt

[Nululu]

39. I was more concerned about his moving covid patients to..

Nursing homes and covering up deaths.

[SheltieLover]

45. This is what happens when public figures speak out against putins puppet

He kept us all sane with briefings & "presidential" behavior when our "leader" was trying to kill us all.

Investigate & vigorously prosecute!

Ty for posting, George!

[gldstwmn]

70. I watched his pressers

daily at the beginning of the pandemic and they were the only thing that convinced me I wasn't living in some bizarre paralell universe and I don't even live in NY.

[ShazzieB]

71. No matter what state you were in

Cuomo's pressers were a huge relief to many of us who were sick to death of Chump's lies and fake happy talk. To me, he seemed like the voice of reason and a bastion of sanity in a world gone mad.

[dalton99a]

46. I am against summary execution without trial.

Let the people of New York decide, whether in their legislative chambers or in court

[Pepsidog]

48. I agree. Diaper "Dave" Viter git re-elected and his wife is now a federal judge. We set the

agenda, not the traitor party. We police our own, not the most reprehensible group of people in the history of American politics who are now Trumpists and traitors. We have the momentum and must use it to bulldoze the opposition and transform our entire political, social, and economic systems. That includes voting rights, taxes, judicial system, social justice, and most importantly, we must find a way to prevent the spread of propaganda by the right. I read somewhere that while the Brits have the same problems that we do with disinformation they at least have the BBC to go to for truthful news. Regulating and breaking up social media companies must be a priority. Just look at how taking away a few Twitter accounts has quieted down our lives. Fox, RW media, and social media caused an insurrection and has caused hate and division and deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. Our FF certainly did not create a Constitution with the hope that 40% of the voting population would believe in conspiracy theories. We have a lot of work to do in such little time.

[burrowowl]

55. I agree with her!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

58. I love the Capehart show

This was a great segment

[mcar]

65. It's not looking good for him

But he should wait till investigation.

[nightwing1240]

67. Exactly my thoughts

Investigate, get all the facts then and only then decide if Cuomo is innocent or not

[Martin68]

69. Cuomo is not an Al Franken.

[OnDoutside]

78. I agree but you can't treat people differently, just because you don't like them. Al Franken

should never have been kangaroo'd out of the Senate (to the eternal shame of the 38, led by Gillibrand), one of the great miscarriages of the #MeToo movement.

Cuomo has a history of being a bully at times, but is entitled to the same independent investigation that Franken was denied.

[progressoid]

72. "he was elected by the people" is one of the most lame and lazy arguments out there.

[George II]

73. She wasn't arguing, she was making a statement. She's one of the most respected legal minds....

....in the country.

[progressoid]

77. OK, "he was elected by the people" is one of the most lame and lazy statements out there.

[cstanleytech]

76. Exactly and if he did illegal but did something innaprote it will depend on how severe it was before

we move onto the next stage.
What is that stage? Well if its truly severe he could be removed from office.
If it was not that bad but still severe he might want to consider resigning but that would be his decision to make and for the voters to decide when it comes time to vote.