Removing Kavanaugh

[WHITT]

AFTER they do the second reconciliation bill, I was going to suggest we needed to find a committee with no week-kneed Dems, that could easily document that Kavanaugh perjured himself during his congressional testimony, and they could forward the charges to the DOJ for prosecution, with the ONLY deal for no prison time (Michael Cohen did federal time), would be if he resigned from the SCOTUS and forfeited his law license.

But Senator Whitehouse is already on this like a dog with a bone. He wrote a letter to the DOJ stating:

"what appears to have been a politically-constrained and perhaps fake FBI investigation into alleged misconduct by now-Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, rather than what Director Wray promised: a background investigation 'consistent with [the FBI's] long-standing policies, practices, and procedures.'"

And they're out of the gate and down the stretch they come.

[joetheman]

1. YES!!

[joetheman]

54. Remove Kavanaugh and indict Barr.

[Trueblue1968]

87. exactly. put barr in jail where he belongs.

[Fritz Walter]

88. NO!!

You’ll make him cry again! And none of us wants to see that.

At least not while he’s in civilian clothes. In an orange jumpsuit, with “bracelets and anklets”? Yeah, I love to see that. Over and over again!

[SoonerPride]

2. This will go nowhere.

[BComplex]

5. I don't know about that. Everyone knew these hearings were bull, even at the time.

I believe Senator Whitehouse is awesome. We might get rid of Wray and Kavanaugh at the same stroke of the magic wand!!!

[Bucky]

10. That's not how the law works

As I suppose you understand when you referred to it as a magic wand. There's no legal process for undoing a supreme Court nomination. He can be impeached, but it would have to be for his own actions, not actions taking on his behalf by laggards in the FBI.

I've been following him in the news hoping he'd screw up, but the reality is he's not done anything as a SCOTUS Justice to warrant removal

[BComplex]

12. Lying in your confirmation...lying to congress, is definitely an impeachable offense.

But, of course, the republiQan senators don't care if their guys lie to congress. They definitely would not vote to impeach. So, you're right.

Won't happen.

[qazplm135]

84. ok sure

where are the 67 votes to impeach him?

[Demsrule86]

90. There are not enough votes for impeachment.

[oldsoftie]

23. And he's actually pissed off the conservatives with some of his decisions.

Along with Barrett

[soldierant]

56. So has Gorsuch.

Gorsuch has a soft spot around the need to honor treaties with native Americans.

But even though they have all PO'ed conservatives,I doubt whether even one would vote to remove Kavanaugh.

I think the best we could hope for would be proof of and prosecution for perjury and prison time. But that would be wonderful.

[Bucky]

58. An impeachment and removal vote is not the a "counter-confirmation hearing"

People who fantasize about "removing Kavanaugh" aren't talking about the law. They're talking about political wishes for which there is no legal provision.

I'm sorry. I'd like him gone too. That's not a viable option without there being a legal basis for impeaching him. There isn't.

[FBaggins]

81. Generally - they're quite pleased with him

Certainly not pissed off enough to trade him...... for a Biden selection.

[oldsoftie]

95. True, but you know how they are; 100% conservative decisions or "RINO!!!!"

And you should see what they write about Roberts.
He's just a plain 'ol liberal

[Demsrule86]

41. You can't undo a Supreme Court nomination.

It is as waste of time that could be spent on other matters.

[usaf-vet]

51. Impeach him for perjury. Never mind the "other matters" that is what help get us in the state we....

.... and the country is facing right now. Biden has his work cut out for him. IMO Biden is doing great, but we have to stop this cycle of the repugs digging deep holes to enrich themselves. Then they walk away, leaving a mess for the Democrats to clean up. Once we clean it up, they blame us for spending money to fix the mess they made, then convince the gullible that ONLY THEY CAN FIX WHAT IS WRONG. They get elected and steal the treasury blind, and the cycle starts over.

PUT THEM IN JAIL FOR YEARS. Remember when it comes to capital punishment. Those that oppose capital punishment saying it solves nothing. Those that favor capital punishment will retort with, "well, at least those bad guys will not commit the crime again". So I would suggest those in prison for crimes against the American people will be in prison and WON'T commit the crime again.

The Constitution states that Justices "shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour." This means that the Justices hold office as long as they choose and can only be removed from office by impeachment. ... The only Justice to be impeached was Associate Justice Samuel Chase in 1805.

OR https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/16/20867558/remove-supreme-court-brett-kavanaugh-no-impeachment

[Bucky]

59. I doubt there's a sustainable argument for perjury.

You're arguing politics. I'm on your side. But what statement of his would stand as perjury?

There's a better option. The SCOTUS should be expanded to 11 or 13 seats. That would make sense. There's a good argument for it, given the workload of supervising the 13 federal court circuits.

[usaf-vet]

65. I would like to suggests he lied at several points. But now that we (USAG) maybe relooking....

.... at the "FBI" investigation that appears to have failed as an INVESTIGATION., They did not interview Kavanaugh or his accuser. I would love to know how that seat became available without any public forwarning. Did money exchange hands?

But at this point, I am totally on your side with expanding the court.

This could easily thin out the three Trump seat holders. And make them just another conservative, not the fifth vote.

[lastlib]

62. Tell that to Abe Fortas....

If there is a factual basis for the allegations, BeerBoy's life could get pretty awful.

[idziak4ever1234]

53. That is correct.

[progressoid]

68. Correct. N/T

[Karadeniz]

3. Go get him, if he's guilty of perjury or if the FBI whitewashed their investigation.

[calimary]

39. I sure wouldn't shed a tear.

Not sure it’d work, but if he lied under oath doesn’t that mean anything anymore?

[WHITT]

63. Tell That To Michael Cohen

He just did federal time for perjury during his congressional testimony.

[RevBrotherThomas]

78. Whle I love the idea and see the logic -

Cohen isn't a sitting Supreme Court Justice. This won't go anywhere.

[calimary]

92. You're probably right.

Besides, Dems have a LOT of other fish to fry. Including a huge one called HR1/S1.

[Demsrule86]

42. And then nothing. He is on the court and we don't have the votes to impeach.

[Goodheart]

4. Won't happen.

[Renew Deal]

6. Not going to happen

[mopinko]

7. wray must go.

[bucolic_frolic]

21. Yeah, this is a 2 birds issue

[Hoyt]

8. Might as well put Mueller on the case.

[Celerity]

9. ugh

[Bucky]

11. Ha!

Ziinnngg!!

[gratuitous]

13. It may not result in Justice Boof's removal

But it can't hurt the country to know that one of its Supreme Court Justices had his seat bought for him by Russian corruption interfering with the vetting process, resulting in a sham review.

[Demsrule86]

43. Most don't care. This is an issue for political junkies.

[totodeinhere]

52. An indictment or even a conviction will not remove him from the Court.

Only impeachment will do that.

[Pepsidog]

14. He perjured himself with lies about stupid stuff like "Boof" means fart and "The Renata Club".

[Calista241]

85. Good luck proving that.

Some dude getting up on a stand and saying "that's not true" does not a perjury case make. Especially not about infantile events that happened 30 - 40 years ago.

You know what would get him removed, finding him at a sex party or doing any of the other things that he was accused of. Sexual predators don't just up and stop being sexual predators.

[Pepsidog]

15. And target Thomas's wife and get him to resign.

[czarjak]

16. Surely Brett will do the honorable thing?

[torius]

17. Coney Barret left out info

that she's on the board of a school that excludes LGBTQ

[Ford_Prefect]

18. If he lied about indictable offenses its a different story...

[Sympthsical]

19. You'll need 17 Republicans to go along with it

And it's not like you can politically damage the guy or sully his reputation. It's a lifetime appointment. He doesn't answer to politics. His vote counts just as much as the other eight.

So, good luck.

[Ford_Prefect]

32. A criminal indictment is not a political event and he is not immune.

[Sympthsical]

38. It would be a massive stretch to manage one

It's just not going to happen. I don't see the point of wasting energy on it. It may stroke the partisan bone a bit, but we have a lot more going on right now. But if people want to fantasize the same way one would about winning the lottery, I suppose it's harmless. Pointless, but harmless.

[CaptainTruth]

20. I'd like to know why the investigation was so half-assed.

From what's been reported the FBI didn't even talk to Ford, or Kavanaugh. How can that possibly be standard procedure, to "investigate" a possible crime & not even talk to the victim or the accused? And why didn't they talk to any of the other folks who had information?

It looks to me like someone high up leaned on them to pretend to "investigate" without really investigating. If that's what happened, I want to know who was behind it.

[Dagstead Bumwood]

22. Why do we torture ourselves over fantasies that will never happen?

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to Zillow to look at all the mansions I couldn't afford after twenty lifetimes.

[oldsoftie]

24. Haaaaaaaaaa!

[Dagstead Bumwood]

25. If you haven't seen it, SNL nailed it

with this skit.

[progressoid]

67. Haaahaha.

[FSogol]

28. Do they know it's Fitzmas time at all?

[Dagstead Bumwood]

36. Feeeeeeed the wooooooorld.....

Yeah, the 2000s were a long time ago.

[Lulu KC]

26. I am curious about the big debts he paid off

Though I hold no hope that he'll be removed, it would provide some satisfaction just to know.

[WHITT]

27. No Impeachment Required

He can be indicted. He has no exemption as with the POTUS and VP.

[FBaggins]

82. Actually, an indictment wouldn't do it

And, despite the claim in the OP that it could be done easily, it would actually be nearly impossible.

[WHITT]

89. Of Course

he can be indicted and prosecuted for a crime committed prior to being elevated to the bench.

[FBaggins]

93. I haven't seen anyone say that he can't be indicted

But that doesn't take him off of the court. Even conviction wouldn't unless there were 67 votes in the senate to do so.

And getting a jury to unanimously convict on perjury in a decades-old "he said - she said" conflict?

Highly unlikely

[WHITT]

94. If He's Prosecuted

and found guilty, he would be sent to prison. A little tough to serve on the court from prison.

The perjury charges are from THREE YEARS AGO during his congressional testimony. They are quite easily documented.

[FBaggins]

96. He isn't an accountant

For most jobs, getting convicted of a crime would cause your employer to fire you... but that isn't how it works for many government jobs. It might be "tough" to do his job from prison (though that likely isn't true)... but there's nothing in the Constitution that removes a senator... or president... or justice from his or her position upon conviction/imprisonment. Their "employer" can fire them... but that process is called impeachment (for a justice).

And "documenting" that you think he said something untrue doesn't get you close to convicting him of perjury. There could easily be enough evidence for a reasonable DUer to conclude that one or more of his statements were untrue... but that doesn't make them perjury (let alone provable beyond reasonable doubt to a unanimous jury).

Note that people have been pushing for the same thing for justice Thomas for over 30 years... and he's still sitting there.

[mcar]

29. week (sic) kneed Dems?

[WHITT]

35. Fat-Fingered It

I'm on a small tablet watching the news.

[mcar]

44. I understand but that wasn't my point

Who are "weak-kneed Dems?"

[beaglelover]

30. Pipe dream.

[ffr]

31. I'll back that 100%

Liars should not be justices in the highest court in the land. No. No. NO!

[wiggs]

33. Depends on what was left out and what the nature of 'perjury' was. Would have to be shocking. nt

[amywalk]

34. They need to subpoena Anthony Kennedy and

His son that works at Deutsche Bank. Who asked him to resign and why did he? There was something about a multi million dollar loan that the son gave to Trump. The son was in trouble and I believe the investigation was dropped when his father resigned. Does anyone remember that as well?

[BComplex]

73. Yep.

This was a mess waiting to take off.

[central scrutinizer]

37. Every Kavanaugh post needs this one

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[Bucky]

61. Hahahahahahaha!!!

Thank you!

[monkeyman1]

40. very much so !

now that the trump power is taking a royal dump , the brat's of trump said they had all the Russian money they need & didn't need anybody else to fund them in 2015.
well , ny is haveing a blast with these clown's. they don't know when the hammer is going to drop !!!!!

[OMGWTF]

45. Also, find out who mysteriously paid off Kavanaugh's bills when he was confirmed.

[Fiendish Thingy]

46. Voting rights bill is WAAAAY more important than going after Kavanaugh. Nt

[WHITT]

64. That's Why I Was Talking About After Next Reconciliation Bill

But Senator Whitehouse is like, damn the Repubs, full speed ahead.

[Fiendish Thingy]

66. Voting rights cannot be passed via reconciliation- Biden wants infrastructure bill next

Voting rights MUST pass by fall.

Congress can press DOJ on Kavanaugh later, make him sweat awhile.

[Polybius]

47. Needs 67 votes to remove him

No Republican is gonna vote to remove him, they would be crazy to do that.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

48. Can't imagine it will happen because he was appointed for a reason.

I don't know what it is, but someone on DU posted the reason he was the choice.

[AdamGG]

49. Single payer healthcare, Puerto Rico/DC statehood & assault rifle ban are easier gets than this

Never going to get 67 votes to remove a SCOTUS justice. Just need to hope that Clarence Thomas autoerotic asphyxiates himself in the next 4-8 years.

[BigmanPigman]

50. Go get him, Whitehouse!

I love watching him question people with his glasses halfway down his nose. He "means business" is the look.

[cstanleytech]

55. Unfortunately his appointment is for life and to remove him he would have to be impeached

and then convicted and considering how the Republicans were willing to support sedition against the country when Trump did it and refused to convict him for it the odds of them removing Kavanaugh are nil.

[stopdiggin]

57. a sternly worded letter ...

forgive me -- haven't I heard something like this before?

And -- of course public accusations of 'fake investigations' -- are sure to incentivize the FBI and Justice. Have those flatfoots hotstepping in no time! Sigh.
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[ecstatic]

60. I want the number 1 focus to be voting rights

Get it passed, no matter what. After that, police brutality. From there, I'm open to whatever the tent wants. lol

[BGBD]

69. He's not going to jail and he's not going to be removed

This is pure fantasy. It's also a political loser that we need to avoid altogether.

[brewens]

70. I think it was kavanaugh the revealed Dr. Ford's identity. It didn't have to be a leak. Once that

story came out anonymously, there were two people that knew exactly who it was. Kavanaugh and his drunk buddy. Because they were there and it was all true.

[jaxexpat]

71. I'm pretty sure we're stuck with Kavanaugh for the rest of his whiny assed, pasty faced life.

But there's always prayer. Right?

[lagomorph777]

72. And remove Wray, too.

The FBI has a lot of work to do, rooting out right-wing terrorists from our country and from their own organization. Wray has been way too soft on them.

[BobTheSubgenius]

74. I don't think Kavanaugh's ouster is very likely, but I DO applaud the effort!

[JT45242]

75. Hard to make judgements from prison... even if he isn't removed by the Senate

How would this work out if he is arrested and pleads to whatever charges they settle on. He can't hear cases from jail.

Hard to see how he wouldn't be forced to resign in the plea bargain or how 34 of the QOP senators could not vote to remove a felon from the USSC.

[dlk]

76. Perjury would seem to be grounds for disbarment

Disbarment would seem to be grounds for impeachment. All evil needs to triumph...

[Polybius]

77. He'll be gone by around 2050

When he decides to retire.

[marble falls]

79. Get Amy Bennett out first. Kav at least voted against Trump when it counted .

[Grasswire2]

80. "..........beetlebomb!"

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[Calista241]

83. There is no removing Kavanaugh, there is only impeachment.

And you need 68 votes for that. There's NO WAY anyone will be able to prove he perjured himself. And the House Managers would actually have to make a provable case, which they can't easily do. Besides, if he's impeached, and then not prosecuted, then all judges / justices would go through this every time the House / Senate changed.

It would be easier to just have a real DoJ prosecutor indict him for perjury. Convict him and he's gone, easy peasy. There's no OLC memo that prevents private citizen Kavanaugh from being charged and convicted of a crime.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

86. I speak for a lot of people...

You know in your heart of hearts

Kavanaugh is a bad man
Kavanaugh is a Liar
Kavanaugh did what she said he did
Kavanaugh is dirty

If the FBI had done any job at all, they would have found worse dirt on him then was already found. but Trump and the Repubs along with lying Chris wray CHEATED and didn't do the actual work of vetting this man.

[marie999]

91. What lies did he say at his confirmation?

[Buckeyeblue]

97. This could put some serious pressure on Kavanaugh

I doubt he'll resign but it could call his legitimacy into question.