HR1/VRA does NOTHING to help AOC in NY, Padella in CA, Booker in NJ or Durbin in Illinois.

[OnDoutside]

They're in solid blue districts/states, where they have little to fear either way.

So who will HR1/VRA help and potentially keep their seats ?

Kirsten Sinema in AZ, Conor Lamb in PA and JOE MANCHIN in WV, amongst others in Red and Purple States where Republicans are still in control. If the new Republican voter suppression laws succeed, their seats are in imminent danger.

This media narrative that the Democratic Party is hanging on Joe and Kirsten, when they are the very people who will benefit from HR1/VRA !!! It would be professional suicide for either of them not to agree with getting this through the Senate.

[Celerity]

1. If you asked Manchin would he (1) rather keep his seat in 2024 and be in the minority the whole time

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after 2022

or

(2) in 2024 years he loses it, BUT the Dems hold the Senate the next 4 years, and then retain it in 2024, just without him.....


I do not think his answer may be the one we all want it to be.

[Karma13612]

2. It's pre-

Tea time for me, so bear/bare with me here:

Are you saying you don’t think Joe would be concerned with being in a Republican lead Senate again?

I have questioned this myself.

I had more to say, but deleted for fear of being banned.

[Celerity]

4. I think that if he ends up blocking the 3 big voting rights bills, then his answer will be clear

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It doesn't even make logical sense, as those bills are designed to help HIM.

I will make this following statement now:

IF, we do not pass all the voting rights bills,

and

IF the SCOTUS guts the current law (a really good possibility)

and

IF a good chunk of the hundreds of new of voter suppressions bills passes in the 43+ states they are now being debated in

and

WHEN you add on the crazy new round of gerrymandering (both at state and federal level) that will soon occur because of our horrific results at state assembly level (plus a cocked up census by white power elements in Trump admin)

we are in DEEP shit as both a Party and as a nation.

[OnDoutside]

6. That's kind of what I'm saying, that it's completely in his interest to make sure S1 passes. I think

all we're seeing is the process of evolution to get to the position he wants to get to.

[Celerity]

8. He is now pulling the old switcheroo and starting to shoot down possible modifications of the

filibuster.

Joe Manchin just took an important filibuster reform off the table

Manchin just closed the door on a promising idea that could have made the Senate much more functional.

https://www.vox.com/2021/3/17/22336181/joe-manchin-filibuster-reform-41-votes-talking-jeff-merkley-senate-rules

[OnDoutside]

10. I think we've seen from his Manchinations over the Covid Relief bill, let's wait and see where he is

when the dancing is over !

[Celerity]

12. oh, of course, he still may surprise (in a good way)

[OnDoutside]

13. I don't normally bet, but in this case I would. I'm struggling to think, logically, what would be

benefit in not supporting it, when he would know (better than most) the consequences.

[Karma13612]

15. Agree. Completely 1000%..nt

[OnDoutside]

5. If they were the options, you're probably right, but if S1 doesn't pass I suspect the Dems will lose

in 22 and Manchin will lose in 24. Let's not forget that Manchin only won by 19,000 votes in 2018, so he would be a definite target in 2024.

[Celerity]

7. oh, for sure, I have said all along that his odds are not that great in 2024, and only will get

worse if all the suppression intensifies.

It (his blocking the 3 voters rights bills) is self destructive for HIM.

I was only attempting to offer an either/or choice for the question to illustrate a potential stance.

[OnDoutside]

9. No, I get you alright.

[Celerity]

11. thanks

[dsc]

3. actually Durban is helped immensely by it

given that if the GOP were to get control even once in IL they would pass laws making it vastly harder for Chicago citizens to vote.

[Hortensis]

14. Given that they're ELECTED officials, I'm going to say it "helps" all of them.

I'm worried that so many don't take what the Republicans are trying to do seriously, fussing about Sinema and Manchin as if they were our problem. Anyone else hear Putin laughing? Because so many people aren't so distracted away from the enormous threat to chewing their own ankles instead without help.

Trump's traitors in congress made a big mistake not giving Trump the power to rule by decree when they could -- as Viktor Orban's legislature in Hungary did. That was before Pelosi and company were sworn in in 2019.

We shouldn't count on their blowing their main chance for an internal coup next time.

And their next chance to pull off a successful coup could come right after next year's midterms.

[lagomorph777]

16. Very good point.