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MineralMan

(146,345 posts)
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 12:51 PM Mar 2021

Debt Collection Agencies Gone Wild!

No, they're not getting naked in public, but what they are doing is wasting a lot of people's time.

For the dozenth time in the last two days, I got yet another call from a cell phone number in a Minnesota area code. I always answer my phone by saying, "This is [myfirstname]." Like all of these calls, the person on the other end of the autodialed, spoofed-number call says, "Is "Jennifer" there?" For the dozenth time in two days, I replied, "There is no "Jennifer" at this number," then hung up and blocked the number on my cell phone.

And that's just the last two days. Here's the funny thing: I have had my cell phone number for over 12 years. I got those same calls when I had a flip phone back when the number was assigned to me. I've tried telling the callers that information, but they just hang up, so I've stopped trying.

Early on, I looked up the person they were calling. She did, indeed, have my number at some point. I found that by searching Google using her name and my number. I know her last name, since one of the callers said it early on. I've had hundreds and hundreds of such calls. Over the years, I've pieced together bits of information about "Jennifer." I know addresses where she has lived. I know that she is in default on a student loan from long ago. I know the name of the "business college" she went to. It went out of business half a dozen years ago. I don't know if she's alive or dead, since hers is not an uncommon last name, but "Jennifer" long ago had the cell phone number I have had for a dozen years.

These collection agencies have purchased a database list of old debts that have gone unpaid. They plug those lists into their computers and let the computer autodial the phone numbers, after spoofing a number in the area code where the person's last address in their database lived. If someone answers, a person comes on the phone and asks for "Jennifer."

If you ask who is calling, or what company they represent, they hang up instantly. So, I have no idea what collection agency is calling me right now. Sometimes, weeks go by with no calls for "Jennifer," but they soon start coming in again, with multiple calls from different spoofed numbers coming each day.

This makes no sense, actually. After 12 years, there is absolutely no chance that they will collect on that debt. The list is so old that buying it is very cheap, but someone has to be sitting there to speak if someone answers those calls. "There is no person named "Jennifer" at this number." I sometimes say that, but normally, I just hang up and block the spoofed number.

How is such a stupid thing an industry? "Jennifer" was a young person when she defaulted on her student loan. Probably, her last name has changed by now, through marriage or something. Maybe she's dead. But, she lives on through stupid debt collection calls to my phone. Sometimes I get texts for her, as well, all threating dire consequences if she doesn't pay up right away. I block those numbers, too, but there is an unlimited supply of spoofed numbers out there. I've tried calling those spoofed numbers a few times. Apparently they spoof numbers that are not assigned to any phone. "Your call cannot be completed as dialed..."

What a shitty job it must be to be picking up the phone when someone answers a number that once belonged to "Jennifer" or the tens of thousands of other people who no longer have that old number they're calling. The actual success rate of those calls must approach zero, I'd think. Calling a 12-year-old cell phone number again and again is the essence of uselessness.

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Debt Collection Agencies Gone Wild! (Original Post) MineralMan Mar 2021 OP
Yeah, it's a shitty profession Trailrider1951 Mar 2021 #1
These folks play long odds Chainfire Mar 2021 #2
I have a friend who's never owned a car sboatcar Mar 2021 #6
Yep. Mine is "Erskine" Stuckinthebush Mar 2021 #3
Yup. MineralMan Mar 2021 #4
Me too. We got 2 new extra phones w/new numbers. Luz Mar 2021 #5
I got one asking for my father.... Xolodno Mar 2021 #7
technique; Harass you until you pay the bill. some people get scared and pay the bills of others Demovictory9 Mar 2021 #8
Wow! I never give that info out, unless I have made the call MineralMan Mar 2021 #9

Trailrider1951

(3,415 posts)
1. Yeah, it's a shitty profession
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 01:15 PM
Mar 2021

but they make money sometimes on that old debt. Many people do not know that if you have an old debt past the statute of limitation on legal collection, if you pay even $1 on that debt, it resets the statute of limitation and you may be sued for the debt in court. If the collection agency gets a judgement against you for it, they can collect in many states. Check with your state laws for the length of the debt statutes in your state. That's why they keep bringing up old debt that may not be currently active. If they can get you to pay ANYTHING, they have you in their pocket.

Chainfire

(17,715 posts)
2. These folks play long odds
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 01:18 PM
Mar 2021

They buy the old debt for pennies and expect to fail hundreds times before they get a hit. They will lie, cheat and steal to suck the last penny from their victims. Apparently they make money or they wouldn't be doing it.

What has been irritating me for the last ten years or so is the collections letters (I assume) that come to my address in someone else's name, from the IRS. No one has had this address before. I have contacted the IRS a dozen times, I have contacted my Congressman, and I still wouldn't be surprised if the freaking IRS raided this place looking for someone who I had never heard of before. I keep writing "not at this address" on the letters and sending them back, and every few months another new one shows up.

I don't have a problem with the phone, if I don't know who is calling, I don't answer. After a while you get dropped out of databases except for the people selling "extended warranties", they never quit.

Stuckinthebush

(10,847 posts)
3. Yep. Mine is "Erskine"
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 01:28 PM
Mar 2021

Is Erskine there?

There is no Erskine here. I think he had this number a long ti... (click)

They don't care. I get tons of them.

Xolodno

(6,410 posts)
7. I got one asking for my father....
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 02:54 PM
Mar 2021

...he was dead for nine years at that point. Then they had the nerve to ask for a death certificate. Asked for his manager. She got on the call and I basically told them if they want a copy of the death certificate, they could get it themselves at their expense. Also told them I was recording the call and if they tried this shit again....I got good lawyers who could make a case for harassment. Never heard back.

Demovictory9

(32,489 posts)
8. technique; Harass you until you pay the bill. some people get scared and pay the bills of others
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 03:00 PM
Mar 2021

under the pressure of bill collectors.

my experience... got calls meant for someone with similar name... No "Karen" here, my name is "Kathy" for example. Next call, "can we speak to "Kathy", they had updated the file to make the debt under my name. Their big push is to get your social security number. They said they would not remove me phone number from the file until they got a soc number and dob. I refused of course.

MineralMan

(146,345 posts)
9. Wow! I never give that info out, unless I have made the call
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 03:04 PM
Mar 2021

and it's to someone I know and trust, like my attorney.

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