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Mar 19, 2021
[BREAKING] A federal grand jury has indicted Proud Boy leaders Ethan Nordean, Joe Biggs, Zach Rel and Charlie Donohoe in a massive new superseding indictment. #FAFO
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1377586/download
malaise
(268,906 posts)RFN!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Technically speaking, an indictment cannot be amended once it has been returned by the grand jury, because that would violate the defendants Fifth Amendment right to be indicted by a grand jury. However, it is also true that prosecutors do frequently alter the crimes charged, or even add new charges, during the course of a criminal proceeding.
Prosecutors accomplish this by filing what is called a superseding indictment. A superseding indictment is just like any other indictment, and it must be obtained the same way as the original indictmentthrough a grand jury. The superseding indictment can include different charges, new charges, or add new defendants. Once the grand jury returns a superseding indictment, the superseding indictment replaces (supersedes) the original indictment.
malaise
(268,906 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)I was wondering that myself.
spanone
(135,816 posts)get them all
get them all
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)msfiddlestix
(7,278 posts)iwillalwayswonderwhy
(2,601 posts)Boyz2Jail.
Walleye
(31,008 posts)Ziggysmom
(3,406 posts)I love it, thanks!
Chautauquas
(4,438 posts)and saying "this is awesome". No, Joe, the grand jury indictment is what's awesome.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)that will be awesome
Skittles
(153,142 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)SergeStorms
(19,192 posts)amoebas. Just barely.
Skittles
(153,142 posts)but these guys.......I mean, W.T.F.
Voltaire2
(13,006 posts)that is all.
usaf-vet
(6,178 posts)Hopefully, the message will be severe and clear!
WarGamer
(12,430 posts)Potential sentences? Very long.
But let's back up.
What's a sentence? A sentence is a punishment defined after a defendant is CONVICTED.
Gotta' convict these people first OR strike a plea bargain.
IMHO...
Just my opinion...
I think around 1/2 the arrested will get the customary punishment given to other Capitol disrupters meaning little to no jail time, maybe a fine. These will probably be the folks who agree to plead guilty and check in for a couple weekends in jail.
I think the other half will either be brought to a trial or they will refuse the plea bargain.
This is where it gets interesting.
Change of Venue requests, paid Jury Consultants...
ONE Trumpist on the Jury and it's hung...
If I had to bet...
50% walk with little to no punishment
40% plea to something or are found guilty in Court, spend less than 30 days in jail.
10% are taken to trial for assault, conspiracy and the other "heavy" indictments.
And I think 3/4 of those will see jail times of 3 years +
About 25% of the trials will probably end up hung.
Bottom line, expect around 30 people to do real time.
usaf-vet
(6,178 posts)Auggie
(31,161 posts)soothsayer
(38,601 posts)WarGamer
(12,430 posts)As per usual LEO routine... they want to say to these clowns, "You're looking at 30 years, sign on the dotted line for 10."
Believe it nor not... the DoJ doesn't want to try too many of these people.
Between change of venue requests and Jury selection, the chances for an embarrassing outcome are high.
Auggie
(31,161 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)nattyice
(331 posts)Alien Life Form
(370 posts)Let not be soft on crime..
Auggie
(31,161 posts)dalton99a
(81,443 posts)Celerity
(43,299 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,889 posts)Traildogbob
(8,711 posts)People are commenting on the hell these assholes will face in prison.
The strongest most United White Supremacy Gangs reside inside the bars. They will be welcomed and find instant protection with fellow assholes.
IF they get time, it will be short lived and they will return as heros and have even more warped perception of what they believe now. We may flood the streets in 5-10 years with these heros to their peers and be just a little more full of hate and lead more to kill, for the cause.
Proud boys and hard core assholes will be fine, but yea maybe some of these lawyers, police, and business men may not have such a good experience. And LEGAL gun ownership will not be as easy as getting a gun in the AM and slaughter minorities in the PM.
wnylib
(21,425 posts)catbyte
(34,367 posts)Spoiled, entitled, ignorant, willfully ignorant losers. THey're among the most privileged members of society tey all they do is bitch and moan about how "unfair" life is. Ugh.
jaxexpat
(6,818 posts)The ball is STILL up in the air.
onethatcares
(16,165 posts)them being in charge of our country.
If that doesn't scare the beejeeessssuuuussss outa you, nothing does.
I keep wondering what they would have done if they would have been successful. Or would they have turned the running of the country over to the Mercers and the rest of the richie riches.
Then, what would they have done to we "liberal" "democrats" "progressives" ? That scares the hell outa me.
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)calimary
(81,207 posts)kimbutgar
(21,126 posts)Do these guys think it makes them a more manly man or handsome? Because they are gross and you can smell their food droppings in them! And it it so unattractive and unkempt!
Whatthe_Firetruck
(555 posts)He"s the fat one of the warriors three in the Thor comics, movies.
https://images.app.goo.gl/ZLJKPsXAfQTMYZnf6
kimbutgar
(21,126 posts)Wednesdays
(17,342 posts)ancianita
(36,019 posts)have religious significance in orthodox believer systems, whereas Nazis tend to be clean shaven.
There's no clear beard meaning out there beyond religious ones. It's both a generational aesthetic and a personal choice, usually moreso in winter.
kimbutgar
(21,126 posts)When I was young I dated a guy briefly with a beard it was disgusting when he kissed me, a total turn off. It was scratchy and smelly.
ancianita
(36,019 posts)My son is one, partly out of winter cold, partly because it makes him look older in a western town where he has to get standing with 'outsider' men, partly because he's lazy and partly because he doesn't want a steady girlfriend. I hope he changes his mind, but then, it's his life. Beards have consequences, right? And
Here's a larger look at bearders.
https://moderngentlemen.net/beard-statistics/
kimbutgar
(21,126 posts)Thanks for the link
ancianita
(36,019 posts)oldsoftie
(12,529 posts)I dont get it. Tried growing one long ago out of laziness and they're a pain in the ass
Martin68
(22,788 posts)calimary
(81,207 posts)BEYOND fed-up with their anarchy and their phony alleged "patriotism" and their violence and domination wet dreams and their butt-ugly beards.
They can all pound sand for all I care.
As we LOCK 'EM UP, that is!
orangecrush
(19,519 posts)In prison, with the rest of the sociopathic assholes.
FakeNoose
(32,626 posts)Stellar
(5,644 posts)👍🏽
BumRushDaShow
(128,814 posts)Zach Rehl, President of the Philadelphia chapter of the Proud Boys, was reportedly arrested at his Philadelphia home Wednesday morning.
Max Bennett, Patch Staff
Posted Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 2:28 pm ET
(This Associated Press file photo shows Zach Rehl, center with a camouflage hat, leading a group of Proud Boys on Jan. 6 at the United States Capitol building.)
PHILADELPHIA The leader of the Philadelphia chapter of the Proud Boys, a right-wing extremist group, has been arrested in connection with the Jan. 6 riot at the United States Capitol, according to reports. Zach Rehl, 35, was reportedly arrested Wednesday morning at his home in Philadelphia's Port Richmond neighborhood.
Rehl is reportedly the president of the Philadelphia chapter of the Proud Boys. While charges have not been announced, Rehl has been accused of conspiring to obstruct law enforcement at the Capitol and the Congressional certification of 2020 election, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer.
WHYY reports Rehl is a veteran and the son of two Philadelphia police officers.
https://patch.com/pennsylvania/philadelphia/philadelphia-proud-boys-leader-arrested-capitol-riot-reports
Hassler
(3,370 posts)mia
(8,360 posts)Wish they didn't look like relatives.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)I hate Trump but hating entire races of people is sick. Read a book if you can read, hint we all come from the same root ancestors.
Jilly_in_VA
(9,964 posts)I just got put in Twitmo for 7 days for saying I wanted the whole outfit RICO'd and then wanted them all taken out and hanged for treason. WTF, Twitter? Isn't that the punishment for treason?
kaotikross
(246 posts)Without the bikes, hot chicks, or drugs.
Lamest gang ever.