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cab67

(2,990 posts)
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 05:41 PM Mar 2021

a word that must be used when people say they're not getting the COVID vaccine

That word is "selfish."

It's selfish for people to just decide not to be vaccinated. Vaccines only work if a high percentage - 90 percent or more - of a community is vaccinated. This protects people who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons as well as those few who didn't pick up immunity from the vaccine.

That's why I get far angrier with anti-vaccine people than nearly every other class of denialist. They're being very, very selfish.

I'm not necessarily talking about people who've fallen for misinformation - and boy howdy is misinformation out there in great abundance. This goes beyond the "vaccines cause autism" trope - people are told the COVID vaccines are unsafe - they haven't been tested carefully enough. Or that a lot of people are harmed by these particular vaccines. Their fear might be real, even if based on false claims that should be corrected.

I'm referring to people who simply decide, for vague personal reasons, that they won't get the vaccine. Maybe they don't like "big pharma" or think this whole thing is a government plot. Or they take an overly broad stance on "it's my body" or "it's my freedom."

"It's my body" works if the only person physically affected by a medical procedure is the patient. It doesn't work when refusal to participate puts everyone else at risk.

Such a decision is grotesquely selfish. One's sense of personal self-importance does not take precedence over the health of everyone.

I'm serious about this. I recently had an exchange with someone who had decided not to get the vaccine. She didn't specify her reason, though it wasn't medical in nature. When I tried to argue that the vaccine really is a good thing, she said something like "all feelings are valid!"

Really? So if I feel that it's OK to force children to drink rubbing alcohol, that's valid? Am I going to get out of an armed robbery charge if I felt it was both legally and morally acceptable to hold up a bank? Or what if I feel very strongly that I'll fly, Superman-style, if I jump off my roof? Are such feelings valid?

I take great exception to the old adage that "there are two sides to every story." No - not always, anyway. There aren't two legitimate sides to climate change, for example, in the same way there aren't two or more sides to the claim that the earth orbits the sun. Or that vaccines are safe and effective. There's just the one legitimate side.

Thus, I don't care about someone's feelings about self determination. When it comes to herd immunity, we're all in this together, and to withdraw for no good reason is very, very selfish.

The word has to be used. You think you're better than me, and that your sense of personal freedom comes before everyone's efforts to end this pandemic, save lives, and allow us to bring back at least some sort of normalcy? You're selfish. That's that. Don't want to be selfish? Get the damn shot.



(I will concede one place where it might be best to avoid that word: I realize people of color have an additional reason to be skeptical of these vaccines - there's a long history of unethical research involving African American subjects (e.g. the Tuskeegee experiments), and African Americans are infrequently parts of medical trials. And they may have had bad experiences at local hospitals based on race. I totally get it. But I also think it would be wrong to not explain to friends of color that these vaccines really are safe, and that it only works if they also get vaccinated.)

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a word that must be used when people say they're not getting the COVID vaccine (Original Post) cab67 Mar 2021 OP
You're right that it's selfish, but I'm not sure a lot of them care. TDale313 Mar 2021 #1
Not caring about your fellow man/woman is the definition of "selfish". rickyhall Mar 2021 #2
We have been using that word for a wear with maskless, and a lot of them are the same. LizBeth Mar 2021 #3
I call them maskholes demtenjeep Mar 2021 #4
I have a solution to the problem of people who don't want to mask, distance, sanitize or abqtommy Mar 2021 #5
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TDale313

(7,820 posts)
1. You're right that it's selfish, but I'm not sure a lot of them care.
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 05:47 PM
Mar 2021

Too many seem to see caring about others or considering anyone’s needs or wants as weakness. They’re legitimately proud of their selfishness.

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
2. Not caring about your fellow man/woman is the definition of "selfish".
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 07:04 PM
Mar 2021

Those other guys are selfish, greedy and mean. Those are their trademarks.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
5. I have a solution to the problem of people who don't want to mask, distance, sanitize or
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 07:45 PM
Mar 2021

get the vaccine. LOCK. THEM. ALL. UP.

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