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Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 06:55 PM Mar 2021

The plane Trump now flies in reveals much about his actual wealth

Trump's 757 hasn't been flown in 4 years and getting it airworthy again is going to take a shitton of cash.

He's currently flying in a 1997 Cessna 750 Citation X which is about $2-3 million. It only seats about 6 people, the lav is quite small, and the interior height is only 5' 7".

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/19/politics/trump-757-repairs-gold-plated-glory-days/index.html

People who have anywhere near as much money as Trump claims to have do not fly on a 20 yr old Citation X. They fly on a Global Express or a Gulfstream 700 or a Boeing Business Jet.

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The plane Trump now flies in reveals much about his actual wealth (Original Post) Major Nikon Mar 2021 OP
I want him degraded to riding a bicycle and seen shooting people the bird.... KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2021 #1
How much you want to bet that the idiot can't ride a bike? I'd put money that he can't! Treefrog Mar 2021 #10
Agree, but perhaps a three-wheeler for about 10-yards. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2021 #15
A Big Wheel! dchill Mar 2021 #45
This is more his speed SledDriver Mar 2021 #28
😂 Lol ybbor Mar 2021 #33
+1000 smirkymonkey Mar 2021 #34
Hehehehe.. I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2021 #37
Let's be honest. He can't walk a gentle incline without a spotter Major Nikon Mar 2021 #53
It would be amusing to see him try DBoon Mar 2021 #59
I have thought this too. alphafemale Mar 2021 #65
I'd prefer ... NYC Liberal Mar 2021 #16
Now, that's a ride that he deserves have. jrthin Mar 2021 #18
Just strap his fat ass onto a bigly (amout of thrust to launch him) bottle rocket. WyattKansas Mar 2021 #26
I want him wearing a paper hat swimboy Mar 2021 #42
Wait til you see what he's driving these days gratuitous Mar 2021 #2
LOL. Well, he was the Yugo of presidents. Clash City Rocker Mar 2021 #5
Do NOT insult the Yugo like that! ZonkerHarris Mar 2021 #9
I'd say he's more like the Dale NYC Liberal Mar 2021 #17
Yugo if you push it! nt alphafemale Mar 2021 #66
How to offload a 757 IzzaNuDay Mar 2021 #3
Park it next to that bullshit xian ark in KY Celerity Mar 2021 #7
no one is going to want it demtenjeep Mar 2021 #14
Depending on the records Sgent Mar 2021 #19
Apparently there were 1,000 of them built luvtheGWN Mar 2021 #43
It can get in and out of high altitude airports Aviation Pro Mar 2021 #52
What's the depreciation on a 30-yr-old plane? luvtheGWN Mar 2021 #55
And install needed seats. LiberalFighter Mar 2021 #74
Kamala's plane is a 757-200 (AF2) IzzaNuDay Mar 2021 #78
Welcome to DU, IzzaNuDay! calimary Mar 2021 #36
Thanks calimary! IzzaNuDay Mar 2021 #77
Which is why it's going in the Trump Lie-berry jmowreader Mar 2021 #58
This is probably closer to reality. Xavier Breath Mar 2021 #4
... A HERETIC I AM Mar 2021 #8
NO! Not that precious little treasure! calimary Mar 2021 #40
Interesting read. What a shallow pos he is. mobeau69 Mar 2021 #6
He oughta become an evangelical preacher.. IcyPeas Mar 2021 #11
money suck demtenjeep Mar 2021 #12
A rapidly ageing and devaluing shithole, just like the jet Celerity Mar 2021 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2021 #20
trump cannot afford his old plane now LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2021 #21
I always thought his airplane(s) were a key to uncovering his con. A HERETIC I AM Mar 2021 #22
Cognizant bigendian Mar 2021 #23
Didn't he float the idea of using it as AF1 at the beginning of his admin? Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2021 #24
I think I remember that story, yes.... A HERETIC I AM Mar 2021 #27
Jesus. I forgot about the FAA thing. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2021 #30
And also, didn't he float the idea of repainting AF1 in that ghastly color scheme calimary Mar 2021 #41
Yes A HERETIC I AM Mar 2021 #46
Brilliant Post Beetwasher. Mar 2021 #29
Thanks! A HERETIC I AM Mar 2021 #32
As always, follow the money. paleotn Mar 2021 #49
I bet that fat fuck modified it Blue Owl Mar 2021 #25
Shouldn't he be flying coach on Spirit Air? Generic Brad Mar 2021 #31
A double wing crop duster is in his future. Hassler Mar 2021 #35
But the Citation-X is FAST! Bo Zarts Mar 2021 #38
The Global 7500 will go faster than the older X Major Nikon Mar 2021 #56
But at $73 million for a green "airplane," Donnie can't touch a Global 7500. Bo Zarts Mar 2021 #68
IIRC the older Citation X is just a touch slower than the newer ones Major Nikon Mar 2021 #69
Strap an Acme rocket to his fat ass. NoMoreRepugs Mar 2021 #39
He can fit thru the door?? oldsoftie Mar 2021 #44
He's obviously cutting down on the cost of travel and sycophants. Marcuse Mar 2021 #47
Like downsizing to the DC-3 in the movie Major League? paleotn Mar 2021 #48
there's a pic of him trying to step up on the mini steps orleans Mar 2021 #50
How we know Trump is a shitty businessman jmowreader Mar 2021 #51
I'm not sure how much he actually flew the 757 Major Nikon Mar 2021 #57
I won't be happy until he's riding the dog. BlueIdaho Mar 2021 #54
Hey, whoa now... druidity33 Mar 2021 #63
The dog Greyhound bus BlueIdaho Mar 2021 #70
We may know soon. Joinfortmill Mar 2021 #60
There's an ass for every seat! "Fast Eddie" Mopar151 Mar 2021 #61
Meanwhile, I'm so rich, I take a different plane every time I fly somewhere. DFW Mar 2021 #62
And to make matters worse, instead of gold plating everything is covered with Vinca Mar 2021 #64
Anyone who paid attention in 2015-2016 knew he was a con man. dalton99a Mar 2021 #67
He should walk. Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2021 #71
He would be better off flying business class commercial. yellowcanine Mar 2021 #72
It would be cheaper for sure Major Nikon Mar 2021 #73
Does he pay rent for keeping it there? LiberalFighter Mar 2021 #75
I'm sure he does Major Nikon Mar 2021 #76

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,489 posts)
1. I want him degraded to riding a bicycle and seen shooting people the bird....
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 07:03 PM
Mar 2021

while riding down 5th Avenue, down Pennsylvania Ave. and around Marred-A-Lago.

Not many people get fired from Air Force One.


KY.......

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
65. I have thought this too.
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 09:54 AM
Mar 2021

Learning to ride a bike generally requires some spectacular and embarrassing fails at first.

You can't learn to ride a bike through cheating.

WyattKansas

(1,648 posts)
26. Just strap his fat ass onto a bigly (amout of thrust to launch him) bottle rocket.
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 08:08 PM
Mar 2021

And light the fuse...

And may the shit pieces fly onto and cover all those who covered up his crimes while he was squatting in the White House.

IzzaNuDay

(362 posts)
3. How to offload a 757
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 07:06 PM
Mar 2021

What a fire sale that would be!
Or send it to the boneyard. No reputable museum would want it.

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
14. no one is going to want it
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 07:23 PM
Mar 2021

he put way too much $ to make it his gaudy representation.

it cost way more than it is worth

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
19. Depending on the records
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 07:43 PM
Mar 2021

and how easily it could be converted back, 757's are in very short supply. Its the largest single aisle airplane and has the best economics / range for point to point flying. The only thing kinda comparable is the somewhat smaller A321, and the Trump plane will have low cycles / hours.

That said, it still won't be very much compared to purchase price or his supposed net worth.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
43. Apparently there were 1,000 of them built
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 09:19 PM
Mar 2021

in 1991, and only a few are still flying. It's basically worthless.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
55. What's the depreciation on a 30-yr-old plane?
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 11:08 PM
Mar 2021

Not disagreeing with you, BTW!

According to a recent report on CNN, the plane is currently minus an engine, and to fix it would cost a significant sum. However, if the plane was stripped of all its 24 carat gold covering everything not fabric or leather, perhaps that might pay for an engine repair.....

IzzaNuDay

(362 posts)
78. Kamala's plane is a 757-200 (AF2)
Sun Mar 21, 2021, 07:28 PM
Mar 2021

But as compared to 45's plane, it is well taken care of. I am really surprised that 45 did not attempt to finagle the government to maintain it while he was pResident.

calimary

(81,194 posts)
36. Welcome to DU, IzzaNuDay!
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 09:01 PM
Mar 2021

Why doesn't he have limbaugh's estate buy him a new one?

Or the Mercers?

Or Charles Koch?

Or whoever is dumb enough to continue throwing money at him. He'll probably make his chumps pay - and pay - and keep on payin.' I'm sure they can well afford it.

IzzaNuDay

(362 posts)
77. Thanks calimary!
Sun Mar 21, 2021, 07:25 PM
Mar 2021

I agree, there are plenty of suckers who want him to fly that plane again. They'll pay!

calimary

(81,194 posts)
40. NO! Not that precious little treasure!
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 09:06 PM
Mar 2021

NO NO NO! That's too good for him.

And he wouldn't appreciate it anyway.

IcyPeas

(21,857 posts)
11. He oughta become an evangelical preacher..
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 07:15 PM
Mar 2021

They always seem to get nice jets... paid for by their idiot congregations.

Response to Major Nikon (Original post)

A HERETIC I AM

(24,365 posts)
22. I always thought his airplane(s) were a key to uncovering his con.
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 07:45 PM
Mar 2021

And I say that because ......

Planes need fuel and maintenance and have landing fees and ramp fees, NONE of which will continue if the providers get stiffed. We aren’t talking about a Glass fitter in Atlantic City here, or an architect in New Jersey, we are talking fuel and other costs which can not be put off.

If you own a plane, particularly a large one, and stiff a fuel purveyor, word gets around, and you won’t be able to fuel your aircraft for anything other than cash ANYWHERE, your AMEX Platinum card not withstanding.

So here’s how I see it;

There are credit lines available, most of the time. He could buy $50,000 worth of Jet-A on credit and the vendor gets paid, fine...no problem. But how does that line of credit get paid?

By another line of credit? Perhaps. And so on and so forth, until someone somewhere is backstopping him, keeping the whole house of cards from collapsing.

And who was that? Who is it that was finally eating those bills, to satisfy the line of credit that kept that fucking thing flying?

I think I know.

BTW, There were stories early in his administration that his boys, Tweedle Dee Trumpy and Tweedle Dum Trumpy used his 757 numerous times, but this is the first I saw that it had been parked up the road from Manhattan, and not at some maintenance facility or at LaGuardia.

So the cash flow keeping his Boeing flying has clearly dried up.

Good. As demtenjeep said above, no one is going to buy it as is, BUT...I suppose he could unload it onto some Saudi dipshit looking to wash a bunch of cash.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,324 posts)
24. Didn't he float the idea of using it as AF1 at the beginning of his admin?
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 08:01 PM
Mar 2021

I’m sure he would have loved to get the US Air Force to pay for upgrades.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,365 posts)
27. I think I remember that story, yes....
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 08:09 PM
Mar 2021

If I am not mistaken, he also floated the idea of his personal pilot flying the 747 AF1 and making him head of the FAA, neither of which materialized, obviously .

What a complete asshole he is.

calimary

(81,194 posts)
41. And also, didn't he float the idea of repainting AF1 in that ghastly color scheme
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 09:09 PM
Mar 2021

he used on his one-time personal plane?

Bo Zarts

(25,392 posts)
38. But the Citation-X is FAST!
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 09:05 PM
Mar 2021

I flew a Citation-X from Detroit to the Cayman Islands for a magazine article back in the mid-90s. No problem maintaining the high side of Mach 0.91. Atlanta Center had to give us vectors around a Learjet 35 that we were overtaking. I never liked to push a Learjet over about Mach 0.78. A Boeing 737-300, for comparison, plods along at Mach 0.74.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
56. The Global 7500 will go faster than the older X
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 11:11 PM
Mar 2021

It will also go twice as far with a helluva lot more room.

Bo Zarts

(25,392 posts)
68. But at $73 million for a green "airplane," Donnie can't touch a Global 7500.
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 10:35 AM
Mar 2021

But with that wing sweep and power, the Global 7500/8000 is almost as fast as a Citation-X. Mmo for the 7500/8000 is stated as Mach 0.925, while the Citation-X is Mach 0.935. IMO, a .01 delta in Mach numbers is insignificant. The big differences are price, range, and the fit & finish.

I know someone with a Global Express and a Gulfstream 650, which are used for long international flights (and transcon when the seats are needed). For puddle-jumping within the US, he has two BAe 800s.

BTW: I flew both the Citation X and Gulfstream 5 with test pilots from Cessna and Gulfstream, respectively. Both are certificated to a maximum altitude of 51,000 feet. I took the G-5 from takeoff at Savannah straight to 51,000 feet. Then I did steep turns at FL510! On the Citation-X flight, we were weight restricted and never made FL510. The G-5 had a very wide, comfortable spread between high-speed and low-speed buffet boundries at 51,000 .. the Citation-X had a very narrow "coffin corner."

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
69. IIRC the older Citation X is just a touch slower than the newer ones
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 11:18 AM
Mar 2021

We cruise anywhere from .78 to .82 in the Challenger 6xx series planes I fly. They are slower than some other bizjets, but the clients love them because there's a lot more room in the back. Pilots love them because there's also a lot more room in the front. I met a billionaire at recurrent that owns and operates his own 601. John Travolta and Oprah also had one at one time. You just don't see too many filthy rich people flying in planes you have to bend over to walk inside unless they are frugal and care more about operating costs than convenience and appearance. That definitely doesn't describe Trump. I suspect it isn't going to be that much longer before everything of value Trump owns is going to be repossessed and he will be flying charter or perhaps even scheduled airline.

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
48. Like downsizing to the DC-3 in the movie Major League?
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 09:30 PM
Mar 2021

Not quite that far, but still, after flying around in the absolute palace that is Air Force 1 for 4 years, that's gotta burn his buns.

jmowreader

(50,552 posts)
51. How we know Trump is a shitty businessman
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 09:36 PM
Mar 2021

A good businessman who has a 757 and lots of rich friends would have let them use the jet while he was in the White House. He could have charged just enough to cover expenses. The important thing is it would have kept the plane in the air, so that when he was able to use it again it would be in good shape.

A terrible businessman lets a multimillion dollar asset that requires constant use sit and rot.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
57. I'm not sure how much he actually flew the 757
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 11:34 PM
Mar 2021

He bought it at a time when the airlines were ditching them because they were too expensive to operate. If Trump really had all the billions he claimed, he wouldn't have been buying a 2nd hand obsolete jet with run out engines to begin with.

Mopar151

(9,978 posts)
61. There's an ass for every seat! "Fast Eddie"
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 12:49 AM
Mar 2021

Somebody, somewhere, has an inside line on a cheap lease for the engines, knows some A&Ps, and is shrewd enough to find charter customers'. Such a person don't pay list, not never!

DFW

(54,335 posts)
62. Meanwhile, I'm so rich, I take a different plane every time I fly somewhere.
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 06:53 AM
Mar 2021

And I'm so cheap, I don't even pay a cent for their maintenance once I land and get off the plane.

Vinca

(50,255 posts)
64. And to make matters worse, instead of gold plating everything is covered with
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 07:31 AM
Mar 2021

gold-colored latex enamel found only at the dollar store.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
72. He would be better off flying business class commercial.
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 04:38 PM
Mar 2021

It would be cheaper and more comfortable. Of course then he would have to mix with the little people and deal with people flipping him off constantly.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
73. It would be cheaper for sure
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 06:02 PM
Mar 2021

Given his financial condition it may soon be the only flying option available to him.

The reason people choose non-scheduled services is because of time and convenience. Show up whenever you want, bypass security, and leave immediately upon arrival.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
76. I'm sure he does
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 09:33 PM
Mar 2021

However, it's also notable that it's not in a hangar. You'd need one big hangar to park that thing inside, but with as much money as he claims to have that wouldn't be a problem.

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