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634-5789

(4,175 posts)
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 09:02 AM Mar 2021

The mood is so bad at the U.S. Capitol that.....

....a Democratic congressman recently let an elevator pass him by rather than ride with Republican colleagues who voted against certifying Joe Biden’s election.

Republicans say it’s Democrats who just need to get over it — move on from the deadly Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, end the COVID-19 restrictions and make an effort toward bipartisanship.

Not yet 100 days into the new Congress, the legislative branch has become an increasingly toxic and unsettled place, with lawmakers frustrated by the work-from-home limits imposed by the coronavirus and suspicious of each other after the Jan. 6 riot over Donald Trump’s presidency.

Particularly in the House, which remains partly shuttered by the pandemic and where lawmakers heard gunshots ring out during the siege, trust is low, settled facts about the riot are apparently up for debate and wary, exhausted members are unsure how or when the “People’s House” will return to normal.

One newer congresswoman said it’s “heartbreaking” to see what has become of the institution she cherished, in the country she has taken an oath to defend from enemies foreign and domestic.

“You know, I do sometimes just close my eyes and, like, picture this place in the way that it used to be, and how welcoming it was,” said Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., first elected in 2018.

An immigrant from Somalia, she said she draws on the coping skills she learned as a child in wartime to enter the razor-wire fenced Capitol, now with armed members of the National Guard, to “try to pretend that that’s not what it is.”

The first months of the year have laid bare the scars from the historic, unprecedented events. The fallout extends far beyond the broken windows and gouged walls of the Capitol to the loss that comes from the absence of usual routines and visitors that were the daily hum of democracy. With virtual meetings and socially distanced votes, lawmakers have fewer opportunities to talk to each other, share ideas and ease fears in the aftermath of the riot.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/capitol-riot-coronavirus-fallout-capitol-hill_n_6055eb43c5b66a80f4e7ccc6

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The mood is so bad at the U.S. Capitol that..... (Original Post) 634-5789 Mar 2021 OP
Yes, Dems should move on after joetheman Mar 2021 #1
Ilhan Omar laughed at Hillary Clinton being booed. betsuni Mar 2021 #2
Therefore... n/t aocommunalpunch Mar 2021 #5
It's a reflex. nt. Mariana Mar 2021 #24
? marmar Mar 2021 #19
Why is that relevant here? Arazi Mar 2021 #23
Did she really? I didn't know that. Percy Mar 2021 #33
No Google-searchable news articles mention it. nt Gore1FL Mar 2021 #41
No, she didn't. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #44
Thanks for this. nt ramen Mar 2021 #45
I remember that. Did Tlaib ever apologize for that smart-ass remark? calimary Mar 2021 #51
I am not Rep. Tlaib. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #53
Did I say you were? calimary Mar 2021 #59
Your use of "you" made it seem like you were, since I'd be very surprised if she read DU. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #60
I was aiming my comments at HER. calimary Mar 2021 #63
Also, yes, she did. Keep being mad tho! WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #54
NOBODY disrespects Hillary Clinton while I'M around. calimary Mar 2021 #58
Okay! WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #61
Thanks for saying it, all true and good to remind our younger women about it -- Percy Mar 2021 #62
Yep. Very true. calimary Mar 2021 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author AZProgressive Mar 2021 #84
Thanks, calimary. Hillary is one of the giants upon whose shoulders they all stand... Hekate Mar 2021 #74
All this came after Hillary Clinton AZProgressive Mar 2021 #81
Well, full disclosure here, I'm no Bernie fan, and I've been open about that here. calimary Mar 2021 #86
When I googled you title verbatim, I managed several pages dominated by headlines like this: Gore1FL Mar 2021 #40
I'm glad to hear she apologized. Percy Mar 2021 #65
We don't negotiate with GOP terrorists. (N/t) FreepFryer Mar 2021 #3
Jim Hagedorn, MN 1sr CD, is part of that TOXIC atmosphere... ProudMNDemocrat Mar 2021 #4
Hard to believe MN 1st CD... Mister Ed Mar 2021 #28
All of Putin's hopes and wishes come true The Blue Flower Mar 2021 #6
And that, all because of the GOP. How could KPN Mar 2021 #29
Exactly. Duppers Mar 2021 #68
They are 100% disingenuous in calling for unity. They are not doing even one small thing whatsoever KPN Mar 2021 #69
Excellent! +1000 Duppers Mar 2021 #70
The GOP put itself on this path when Putin was a local official in St. Petersburg... JHB Mar 2021 #55
The GQP would rather Putin win than support Biden in even the tiniest way. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 2021 #85
Remember the Beghazi hearings. Hillary's e-mails. Our House/Senate hearings should last YEARS! machoneman Mar 2021 #7
Absolutely. Treason is NOT okay. BarbD Mar 2021 #11
I wouldn't get in an elevator with people who are dismissive of masks and social distancing either. tanyev Mar 2021 #8
This. yardwork Mar 2021 #27
That's my first thought as well. FoxNewsSucks Mar 2021 #37
I would insist they decontaminate the elevator after it was used by maskless nitwits. nt Xipe Totec Mar 2021 #76
There is a reason for the mistrust UpInArms Mar 2021 #9
There's only one reason to do that. JohnnyRingo Mar 2021 #17
Fox Lies And Hate Radio DanieRains Mar 2021 #43
Probably right. JohnnyRingo Mar 2021 #49
Well, Rupert Murdoch isn't from here. Chellee Mar 2021 #57
Movement Conservatives broke it. JHB Mar 2021 #56
This is not something you should ever get over! ananda Mar 2021 #10
Republicllowns keep mumbling about sending home the National Guard Snarkoleptic Mar 2021 #12
They just Rebl2 Mar 2021 #13
They're like the religious end times folks whose predictions never come true. Lonestarblue Mar 2021 #42
Dems can always put it back in place by 51 votes. Its suspension need not be permanent. ancianita Mar 2021 #50
They are winning. kentuck Mar 2021 #14
Who? Dems Have the Presidency and Congress, How are They Winning? Beetwasher. Mar 2021 #38
They are not going to be hauled away in handcuffs. kentuck Mar 2021 #46
Congress Was Able To Pass The most Progressive, Largest Program In History Beetwasher. Mar 2021 #72
This! K&r ShazzieB Mar 2021 #79
I used to think Congress was like a husband and wife who cannot agree on which color to paint LaMouffette Mar 2021 #15
Left out the part where one of them... JohnnyRingo Mar 2021 #20
Good read JohnnyRingo Mar 2021 #16
Today's Republican Party is NOT going to change. NoMoreRepugs Mar 2021 #18
+1000 Duppers Mar 2021 #71
The people recruited into the GOP who are now in office in Congress and the Senate are the Ford_Prefect Mar 2021 #21
K&R Boomerproud Mar 2021 #31
I hope you make that an op mahina Mar 2021 #66
As I have said for 20 years... IthinkThereforeIAM Mar 2021 #75
Yes, things are different now. I'll never "get over it." CaptainTruth Mar 2021 #22
Riots are spontaneous mob violence. This insurrection was planned, funded, and directed at Congress. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2021 #25
Let's be honest about which party it is that won't work with the other. llmart Mar 2021 #26
the line about what republicans say bigtree Mar 2021 #30
some of those Republicans are traitors to the Constitution YoshidaYui Mar 2021 #32
"One newer congresswoman"... Ilhan Omar Azathoth Mar 2021 #34
Democracy have a battle to win for democracy. Traitors must be mercilessly defeated bucolic_frolic Mar 2021 #35
screw robleb Mar 2021 #36
Sorry. Snackshack Mar 2021 #39
The cure is simple, those accountable must be prosecuted and expelled from office. Escurumbele Mar 2021 #47
Democrats are the ones that should "just move on?" BobTheSubgenius Mar 2021 #48
We should not give Republican betrayal of the nation a pass. Martin68 Mar 2021 #52
"Good morning, Marjorie! How goes the treasoning today?" Qutzupalotl Mar 2021 #67
Does the legacy of not just forgiving the Confederacy, but allowing it to be glorified, Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2021 #73
It was said prior to the 2016 Election, that Donald J. Trump was Dan Mar 2021 #77
We is Republicans! Aussie105 Mar 2021 #78
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Mar 2021 #80
There is no "moving on" from January 6 orangecrush Mar 2021 #82
How can it ever go back to normal when insurrectionist lawmakers are walking free? SunSeeker Mar 2021 #83
 

joetheman

(1,450 posts)
1. Yes, Dems should move on after
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 09:12 AM
Mar 2021

the insurrectionist enabler in the House and Senate are tried and convicted of attempting to overthrow the government and removed from office. Yep, we should move on.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
23. Why is that relevant here?
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 10:28 AM
Mar 2021

How does it pertain to Omar feeling afraid of the Republican seditious traitors?

Percy

(721 posts)
33. Did she really? I didn't know that.
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 10:58 AM
Mar 2021

How disappointing. That kind of behavior contributes to lowering the standards of respect we expect in the house and senate. The republicans are running with it. I don't like seeing dems doing it.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,345 posts)
44. No, she didn't.
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 11:17 AM
Mar 2021
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51345186

When moderator Dionna Langford brought up the escalating feud between Ms Clinton and Senator Sanders, members of the audience began to boo.

Ms Langford interrupted and said: "We're not going to boo, we're classy here."

At this point Ms Tlaib interjected: "No, no, I'll boo."

As Ms Jayapal and Ms Omar laughed, Ms Tlaib added: "You all know I can't be quiet. No, we're going to boo. That's all right, the haters will shut up on Monday when we win."

Monday's caucuses will be the first formal test this year of Democratic voters' preferences. Senator Sanders is the frontrunner, with a slight lead ahead of his nearest rival, former Vice President Joe Biden.

calimary

(81,267 posts)
51. I remember that. Did Tlaib ever apologize for that smart-ass remark?
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 11:57 AM
Mar 2021

Hillary Clinton’s efforts for women everywhere were part of what you were able to take advantage of, to get your own seat in the House of Reps. Hillary had the guts to forge ahead and build the foundation that gave Kamala Harris a jumping-off point to break yet another class ceiling.

But Hillary was first up, and in 2008 was responsible for leaving “18 million cracks in it.” SHE stuck her neck out and took the insults and the snark and the put-downs and the criticism and the disrespect, and as long as she’s been a national public figure (starting in 1992, btw - how old were YOU back then?), she took all that shit and abuse and forged ahead ANYWAY, with courage, conviction, energy, perseverance, class, humor, and grace. SHE broke through all that, so women like you could build on that beginning, and forge your own path to victory in your own right. That leadership on her part made YOUR opportunities more feasible, realistic, probable - AND REACHABLE, Rep. Tlaib.

She took all that shit so maybe later arrivals like you wouldn’t have to, quite as much or as badly.

And if I ever get an appeal from you for a campaign donation, hope you don’t mind if I say “no no, I’LL boo!” And don’t expect me to forget, either, anytime soon.

calimary

(81,267 posts)
63. I was aiming my comments at HER.
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 12:40 PM
Mar 2021

Directing them specifically at “Rep. Tlaib.”

I’ve donated to enough Democratic campaigns that it wouldn’t surprise me if I was on some list to which she’d have access, by now.

Fortunately there are Democrats aplenty whom I can happily support, other than Tlaib.

Percy

(721 posts)
62. Thanks for saying it, all true and good to remind our younger women about it --
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 12:33 PM
Mar 2021

if they forget what it took to get here.

Short fuses and attention grabbing wise ass statements make for a short political life. Not to mention that kind of arrogance hurt Bernie's chances in the end. I can't imagine he was very happy to hear about it either.

Response to Percy (Reply #62)

Hekate

(90,686 posts)
74. Thanks, calimary. Hillary is one of the giants upon whose shoulders they all stand...
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 06:07 PM
Mar 2021

She has paid her dues and then some.

AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
81. All this came after Hillary Clinton
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 10:46 PM
Mar 2021

Last edited Sun Mar 21, 2021, 03:11 AM - Edit history (1)

Said no one liked Bernie Sanders. It didn't come out of the blue. It was in response to comments she made on a Hulu documentary.

Tlaib should have said "don't boo, vote" like Obama but she has to deal with Islamaphobic hate including from people within her own party.

This whole subthread started over what Muslim Democratic Congresswoman did what. Also none of this has anything to do with the OP.

Tlaib supported Obama's campaign in 2008. You can see her in the documentary By the People: The Election of Barack Obama on HBO. Kamala Harris is also in the documentary supporting Obama's campaign.

calimary

(81,267 posts)
86. Well, full disclosure here, I'm no Bernie fan, and I've been open about that here.
Sun Mar 21, 2021, 01:12 PM
Mar 2021

I don’t like him either so I’m not going to find a Hillary statement like that to be off-putting.

And I remain firmly convinced that his foot-dragging hurt her election prospects. I won’t - and CAN’T - ever forget how she clinched the nomination in June of 2016, and he made her wait for a gesture of support til AFTER nomination night (when she gave over a big chunk of HER nomination speech to reaching out to Bernie and thanking him and complimenting him and acknowledging him as a bigtime player - while he sat and pouted on the sidelines and didn’t even wave or smile at her or give her a thumbs-up or ANY return-acknowledgment on HER big night). And then he gave her a mere 16 days’ worth of campaigning between end-of-convention to Election Week in November. There were MANY more than 16 days between those two dates - and his slow and half-hearted response only validated the disappointment we heard openly from many of his supporters - who otherwise might have gotten behind her more enthusiastically if he’d been more enthusiastic about leading them there.

Let’s just say if I HAD been a Bernie fan at that time, that glaring and childish display of poor sportsmanship and refusal to unify would have deep-sixed it for me. But I was already there. My distaste for Senator Sanders is already on record here. And remains unchanged.

That said, I can and do appreciate that he has MANY fans. Here as well as outside DU. And I recognize that there were Hillary-haters aplenty among them and still are. And so be it. “Live long and prosper,” as Mr. Spock would say. I just won’t ever be one of them - either against her or for him.

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
40. When I googled you title verbatim, I managed several pages dominated by headlines like this:
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 11:11 AM
Mar 2021
Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib regrets booing Hillary Clinton ...

Rashida Tlaib boos Hillary Clinton at Sanders campaign event ...

We can't afford to ignore what Rashida Tlaib booing Hillary ...



I think you are confusing Muslim Women in the House of Representatives.

Percy

(721 posts)
65. I'm glad to hear she apologized.
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 12:43 PM
Mar 2021

But what a blow for a lot of democratic women, especially the ones who carried Hillary. And by another woman to boot.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,785 posts)
4. Jim Hagedorn, MN 1sr CD, is part of that TOXIC atmosphere...
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 09:20 AM
Mar 2021

His whitewashing of events taking place now are laughable when he posts on his Facebook page. He has voted against EVERYTHING that has been good.

Hagedorn makes up phony excuses as to why he voted against the ARP, reauthorization of the VAWA, HR.1, voted in favor of MTG keeping her Committee assignments, NOT to impeach Trump, and on down the line. This man is a disgrace. Those who comment on his page are die hard Trumpers. His wife. Jennifer Carnahan, is the MNGOP Chair. Inside scoop? You betcha.

Mister Ed

(5,933 posts)
28. Hard to believe MN 1st CD...
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 10:50 AM
Mar 2021

..is the same district that sent a good and reasonable man like now-governer Tim Walz to congress.

KPN

(15,645 posts)
29. And that, all because of the GOP. How could
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 10:51 AM
Mar 2021

life in the Capitol not be so awkward and stiff shouldered?

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
68. Exactly.
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 03:20 PM
Mar 2021

My thoughts too. My DH disagrees with me, says healing should begin. I'm just not in a forgiving mood. They spew hatred & lies day after day. They are not there "in good faith" but only to repress minorities and enrich billionaires. I wouldn't even ride in an elevator with any of them either.

"Swalwell: 'The Greatest Enablers Of These Domestic Terrorist Enemies' Are Within Congress."

KPN

(15,645 posts)
69. They are 100% disingenuous in calling for unity. They are not doing even one small thing whatsoever
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 03:49 PM
Mar 2021

to foster unity or healing. They refuse to admit any wrongdoing or responsibility in their part while expecting the majority to put the past behind and make concessions. What have they done to demonstrate that anything whatsoever has changed? Why would we entrust democracy to them when they’ve given us every reason to distrust their loyalty to our Constitution and democratic system of governance? We would be beyond foolish to do so. I get wanting to make peace, but you don’t make peace with an entity that is out to essentially take over as a permanent authoritarian minority at your direct expense.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
55. The GOP put itself on this path when Putin was a local official in St. Petersburg...
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 12:07 PM
Mar 2021

...unless you want to put it back to "was still in the KGB" or "was still a kid."

It had been moving towards what it is for decades, but it was launched on the precise trajectory to its current state by the team of Gingrich & Limbaugh. They (and their fellow travelers) were the ones who ensured that GOP voters insisted on a steady diet of fantasy and horseshit. Facts were their "broccoli."

They built that. Putin just cloned a duplicate set of controls.

85. The GQP would rather Putin win than support Biden in even the tiniest way.
Sun Mar 21, 2021, 07:31 AM
Mar 2021

For God's sake, they couldn't even bring themselves to vote to acknowledge the Capitol police whose extraordinary efforts saved their asses and enabled the Senate to continue its Constitutional function of certifying the election win for Biden. Now, we won't "get over it."

machoneman

(4,007 posts)
7. Remember the Beghazi hearings. Hillary's e-mails. Our House/Senate hearings should last YEARS!
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 09:39 AM
Mar 2021

Grind those republiscums into dust over the next 4 year period, Bring in the FBI, NSA, CIA, and foreign spy agencies to testify. Subpoena all the R's involved or even suspected of knowing something of the attack. Barr, McCarthy, Carson, DeVos, Turtleman, MTG, Pence and more. Force them to testify and if not, blow it all up in the media as to what they are hiding. Pull in Jr, Stupid, Ivanka and their spouses or girlfriends. Arrest Lara for fraud (dog stuff).

Just beat the hell out of the GOP, their PACS, major givers and keep doing to them what they already did to us. Boycott any and all givers to the MAGA's, the RNC and any GOP organization.

We must destroy these traitors once and for all.

BarbD

(1,193 posts)
11. Absolutely. Treason is NOT okay.
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 09:48 AM
Mar 2021

The Republicans don't want to just "move on", they want to completely take over the government.

UpInArms

(51,284 posts)
9. There is a reason for the mistrust
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 09:42 AM
Mar 2021
As rioters broke into the U.S. Capitol. Boebert tweeted: "The Speaker has been removed from the chambers."

What's True
Rep. Boebert posted a message on Twitter saying "The Speaker has been removed from the chambers" as a pro-Trump mob breached the U.S. Capitol.

JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
17. There's only one reason to do that.
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 10:20 AM
Mar 2021

And it's not a reassuring one.

Donald Trump broke this country.

JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
49. Probably right.
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 11:35 AM
Mar 2021

Someday Rupert Murdoch will be in the history books like Randolph Hearst, who fomented a foreign war to sell headlines. Except Murdoch is pushing that headline making war on our own soil.

Chellee

(2,097 posts)
57. Well, Rupert Murdoch isn't from here.
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 12:14 PM
Mar 2021

So, we are foreign soil to him. To be fair, I think he has so much disregard for other human beings that he would set fire to his own neighborhood just to sell the story of it. I don't think it matters to him where he sows chaos, only that he can.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
56. Movement Conservatives broke it.
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 12:13 PM
Mar 2021

They're the ones who considered compromise to be treachery, and fostered the likes of FOX and Limbaugh.

The next time a "reasonable conservative" NeverTrumper complains about how "their party left them", ask them how this is any different from what they did to the Rockefeller Republicans.

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
12. Republicllowns keep mumbling about sending home the National Guard
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 09:54 AM
Mar 2021

and dismantling protective barriers around the Capitol, but the QAnon imbeciles think today is the 2nd tRump inauguration.

https://mashable.com/article/qanon-march-trump-inauguration-dates-explained/

March 20 is already spreading in some QAnon circles as a major date when they believe that Donald Trump will...you guessed it, become the President of the United States once again.

It’s unclear where this date comes from as it doesn’t seem to hold any sort of historical significance like March 4 does. The Washingtonian points out that March 20, 1834 was the date the GOP was founded, but that doesn’t appear to be relevant to the conspiracy theory.

Could enough QAnon believers have simply created March 20 out of a subconscious amalgamation of Jan. 20 and March 4 after hearing about the two inauguration dates enough times? It seems possible! However, as conspiracy theorists once again look to kick the can down the curb, the March 20 is a specific date a few of them are starting to fall on.

Lonestarblue

(9,988 posts)
42. They're like the religious end times folks whose predictions never come true.
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 11:12 AM
Mar 2021

Yet they just make another prediction and their supporters buy it.

I waffle between feeling hope that Biden’s straightforward approach and focus on regular people instead of the wealthy, the Q nuts, and the racists will pull us out of this era and fear that the US passed a point of no return with Trump and the broken Republican Party that has jettisoned any principles and is now bent on destroying democracy with any means possible. We no longer have sane Republicans in Congress.

I read an opinion piece this morning by Ruth Marcus (WaPo) in which she predicted potentially dire consequences for getting rid of the filibuster because Republicans will one day be in charge again and there will be nothing to stop them from total annihilation of democratic principles without the filibuster. I somewhat agree with the attitude, but if we don’t pass much of Biden’s agenda this year. especially the voting protections and the infrastructure plan, Democrats will be shut out of elections for the next decade—both because of voting restrictions and because Republican obstruction will prevent accomplishing the things that voters want. Then they can crow about a failed administration.

Plus, if the voter protections in H1 are not passed, we can say goodbye to state legislature gains until Republicans so decimate the country that they eventually get voted out. I’m not holding my breath for Republicans and right-leaning Independents to wake up to the threat.

Beetwasher.

(2,977 posts)
38. Who? Dems Have the Presidency and Congress, How are They Winning?
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 11:03 AM
Mar 2021

We just passed one of the most far reaching progressive pieces of legislation in history. If that's them "winning", I'll take it.

Congress is half filled with traitors for the moment, thus the mood and discomfort. But just wait until some of them are hauled away in cuffs by Garland's DOJ. Thing will start to look brighter.

kentuck

(111,095 posts)
46. They are not going to be hauled away in handcuffs.
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 11:21 AM
Mar 2021

They are the Congress. They have to work together, whether they like it or not.

If the Congress cannot meet or communicate, it has been relegated to non-functioning. If there is no Congress, or they have been hindered to a large degree, we have not won.

Just my opinion.

Beetwasher.

(2,977 posts)
72. Congress Was Able To Pass The most Progressive, Largest Program In History
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 03:56 PM
Mar 2021

That's winning, that's what winning looks like. We won, we're winning. Act like it. They're obstruction is desperation and we are rolling right over it. That's winning. They are not winning. At all. They only win if we give up.

LaMouffette

(2,030 posts)
15. I used to think Congress was like a husband and wife who cannot agree on which color to paint
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 10:15 AM
Mar 2021

their house. The husband wants to paint it red and the wife wants to paint it blue. But instead of compromising on a different color or painting it both colors or painting it one color on the outside and the other color on the inside, they each insist on getting their own way, and the house never does get painted. But then, the wife goes away for the weekend, and the husband paints the house red. The wife is pissed, but bides her time until the husband goes away for a few days, and then she paints the house blue. The husband returns and is pissed. He vows to paint the house red the next time the wife goes away.

All that paint wasted. All that time and hard work wasted. All that money wasted. All the horrible feelings between them. And Congress? Same thing. Every time the other party gets into power, they try to undo everything that has just been done by the other party.

But that kind of both-sides-erism does not apply anymore. AT ALL. Congress has gone from dysfunctional to deadly, and it is ALL Republicans' fault for being willing to lie, cheat, steal, obstruct, and murder to retain (or regain) power.

To go back to the marriage metaphor, now, thanks to Republicans, Congress is like a husband who gets drunk, beats the crap out of his wife, and threatens to kill her, and then the next day, not the least bit remorseful, whines that she should just get over it.

JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
20. Left out the part where one of them...
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 10:24 AM
Mar 2021

...set fire to the house.
"I'd rather have no house if it has to be that color."

JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
16. Good read
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 10:18 AM
Mar 2021

Frankly, I didn't learn much, but it's good insight to Capital Hill in the wake of the insurrection.

Thanx for posting

NoMoreRepugs

(9,425 posts)
18. Today's Republican Party is NOT going to change.
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 10:22 AM
Mar 2021

To compromise with them or move on would be a catastrophic mistake IMO. Don’t give up the investigations until the traitors are exposed and ground into dust. Our Democracy depends on it.

Ford_Prefect

(7,897 posts)
21. The people recruited into the GOP who are now in office in Congress and the Senate are the
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 10:26 AM
Mar 2021

end result of decades of careful pruning of the party by its leaders and patrons. The members who now reside were selected and vetted to be perfect zealot material: They believe the BS they spout not because it is measurable fact but because they have been told so by their leaders. They have been inoculated against reasoned debate and independently verifiable information by years of programming to the view that anything said by a Democrat, or a liberal, or a Federal agency, or a network news source must be a lie or based upon one. They do not think independently because they can't. It is why they were recruited in the first place.

Many of them believe that their duty is to overthrow and demolish from within federal authority that does not conform to their distorted vision of America. They also believe that they are a sort of secret army elected to that purpose. That is not hype nor exaggeration for effect. They really believe that crap and aren't just saying it to please the base. They also believe they are immune from rules of society, law, and the institution they inhabit. They are no less radicalized than the people who broke into the Capitol and beat the police. I cannot imagine sharing an elevator or a lunchroom with them.

Our local county commissioners have gone that way. I used to go to meetings on issues I needed to speak about. It mattered because the record counts and 35 of us responding to a proposal versus 5 of "them" used to have impact. Now they go through the motions of allowing people to speak but it no longer matters if 100 of us showed up or only 2. The hostility they have towards those who dispute their wisdom is palpable. They write down what people say for the record but decisions are made based on private consultation between commissioners, their patrons and special advisors from outfits like ALEC. That became established SOP under Trump. The only thing that slows them down now is a lawsuit and even that seems to have limited effect. They refused to enforce the mask mandate here and went so far as to officially doubt that it was needed. This in the town that hosts the NIH Rocky Mountain Lab.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,076 posts)
75. As I have said for 20 years...
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 07:07 PM
Mar 2021

... the Advent of Gingerich and getting, "businessmen first, statesmen last", elected to Congress via the Contract On America.

CaptainTruth

(6,591 posts)
22. Yes, things are different now. I'll never "get over it."
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 10:26 AM
Mar 2021

I saw what Republicans did for 4 years, & 74 million people voted for more of it. Then, I saw what they did on January 6. I'm done. I've had it with all 74 million who voted for Traitor Trump. They're all traitors in my mind.

I know several Republicans, many of my neighbors had Trump signs or flags. I used to view them (pre-2016) as basically decent people with different political views. Views that I strongly disagreed with, but our disagreements were based on political points of view, as opposed to, a desire to destroy our democracy & install a fascist ruler. That's not a "point of view," that's declaring war on our country. Now I view them all as enemies of the country that I hold dear. So yes, things are different now. Very different. I now look at a lot of people in a very different way than I did 5 years ago, & I'm not going to "get over" that. They have revealed themselves for who & what they are, & I will view them & treat them accordingly.

llmart

(15,539 posts)
26. Let's be honest about which party it is that won't work with the other.
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 10:44 AM
Mar 2021

Wasn't there just a slew of Congresspeople from the GOP who filed suit against Biden for an executive order he issued reversing something to do with the pipeline? I'm sketchy on the details right now, but when I read that I thought, "so much for getting along". Lawsuits are their thing.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
30. the line about what republicans say
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 10:53 AM
Mar 2021

...not worth reading anyone who carries drop of republican water.

Fact is, republicans have always been this way, especially in the last few decades. That's not what Democrats are dwelling on. They never expected republicans to lift a finger for what's right and good for Americans and the nation.

YoshidaYui

(41,831 posts)
32. some of those Republicans are traitors to the Constitution
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 10:58 AM
Mar 2021

Some of them were actually excited about the insurrection and about what will probably come next. The Republican party is no longer the Party of Lincoln, that train left long ago. It is the Party of Trump and the wanting of a dictatorship... to rule over the people. and we are supposed to love that? Hell no... we won't stand for it. This is a Democracy and it we need to protect it.

Azathoth

(4,608 posts)
34. "One newer congresswoman"... Ilhan Omar
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 10:59 AM
Mar 2021

This is like referring to Joe Biden as "One newly elected executive told us"

bucolic_frolic

(43,161 posts)
35. Democracy have a battle to win for democracy. Traitors must be mercilessly defeated
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 11:00 AM
Mar 2021

in every legal way possible. Democrats didn't make this fight. The GQP did.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
39. Sorry.
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 11:08 AM
Mar 2021

But it is well past time for Dem’s to stop “getting over it”. It is well past time for GOP to start being held accountable for their actions.

The GOP killed half a million+ Americans and attempted a coup just a couple months ago. There is no getting over this. Accountability for the people responsible is how this get put behind us.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
48. Democrats are the ones that should "just move on?"
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 11:35 AM
Mar 2021

How to forget an attempted coup, however half-baked and doomed to fail, when ELECTED OFFICIALS won't even call it like it is, let alone denounce it? There are some they see virtually every day who supported it openly, at least as openly as these devious bastards ever get.

However bizarre this seems, it reminds me of Keith Moon. At a party, he was so drunk and obnoxious that he was asked to leave. And how might one take their leave gracefully under those circumstances? Punch your host's girlfriend in the stomach and set fire to his furniture. How long do you think it was before he was invited back?

The GOP are like Keith Moon, except without any of the clowning and occasional humour. Worst. Guests. Ever.

And you know what else? Democrats WON. They are under no obligation to knuckle under.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
73. Does the legacy of not just forgiving the Confederacy, but allowing it to be glorified,
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 04:13 PM
Mar 2021

have a role in this attitude among Republicans and much of the press that this recent violent insurrection should not be harshly judged?

Dan

(3,562 posts)
77. It was said prior to the 2016 Election, that Donald J. Trump was
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 07:23 PM
Mar 2021

A “Clear and Present” danger to the United States, and he was, has been and continues to be -
.

Aussie105

(5,397 posts)
78. We is Republicans!
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 08:10 PM
Mar 2021

We exercise the right to do whatever, and don't give us any grief over it afterwards!

Such a small insurrection, anyway, it didn't work, not too many dead, not like a real one, so why the fuss?

/sarcasm

Democratic people of the USA - never forget, never forgive!
And never trust!
Make it a National Day of Mourning, with TV stations playing the violent tapes over and over, with aftermath perpwalks included.
Somber looking newsreaders in black starting a leading news item with 'This in the anniversary of one of the darkest days in US history.'

Let the law hit them and their attitude over the head with a very heavy law book!
And educate the masses this was the Day Democracy cold have died.

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orangecrush

(19,555 posts)
82. There is no "moving on" from January 6
Sun Mar 21, 2021, 12:27 AM
Mar 2021

Not as long as there are still seditionists in congress who helped make it happen.

SunSeeker

(51,557 posts)
83. How can it ever go back to normal when insurrectionist lawmakers are walking free?
Sun Mar 21, 2021, 02:45 AM
Mar 2021

There are Republican Senators and House Representatives who aided and abetted the violent insurrectionists and who voted to overturn a valid election. They should be in jail. At a minimum they should be out of office, having violated their oath of office.

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