Manchin: "I'm still at 60"

[ColinC]

Manchin also rejected calls by proponents of gutting filibuster rules to require 41 senators to be present to sustain a filibuster.

"No, I'm still at 60. OK?" he said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/03/17/politics/joe-manchin-filibuster-latest/index.html


So like, 60 Senators required to sustain a fillibuster? I am most likely wrong here, but it almost sounds like that's what he is saying.

His globetrotting""let's do this, I'm open to this" and "no!!" Responses leave a lot of room for fantastical interpretations.

[PortTack]

1. I believe he's saying 60 votes to pass any legislation

We’ve got to get him to move on that!

[ColinC]

22. Likely. But we won't actually know until a measure is adopted and he votes against

Or for it.

[mobeau69]

2. When gone it'll give "elections have consequences" a

whole new meaning!

[onecaliberal]

3. Why does he want to go against the constitution. That was NEVER

What the founders envisioned. The Republican strategy is to do whatever they want when they’re in charge rules be damned and then obstruct every thing when democrats are in charge. Is this what Manchin thinks is helping the country? How will his 60 vote requirement ever feed the hungry children in his state? I hate the epic stupidity in this country. I’m so fucking exhausted with it all.

[brooklynite]

14. You can complain about a lot of things, but not that it's unonstitutional...

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The Constitution specifically empowers the Legislature to set its own rules.

[onecaliberal]

15. The founders did not intend for the minority party to obstruct everything.

The rules are bullshit and oppressive. They hold the majority hostage. That’s not democracy.

[former9thward]

34. The founders did not want parties.

Minority or Majority. They thought they were divisive and destructive. That is why the Constitution never mentions them.

[onecaliberal]

35. Which is exactly what we have.

Which is exactly what I said. Founders did not intend.

[BannonsLiver]

4. And I'm still at GFY

[Nevilledog]

13. I'm there with you.

[crickets]

19. Yep. nt

[ColinC]

23. Samesies

[Blue Owl]

25. +1

[Colgate 64]

29. Count me in, too. I am mightily tired of

Manchin's dithering and trying to justify what is a naked play for power. F. Him.

[Hortensis]

5. He's saying changes to the filibuster should not include lowering 60 to 41.

"I'm still at 60" sounds like a negotiating position to me.

[PSPS]

6. As a democrat, one would think that he would see his seat as safer with less voter suppression.

Apparently it's not and his political career somehow hinges on continuing minority rule.

[Irish_Dem]

10. It makes one wonder why.

[cilla4progress]

7. I don't think Manchin

is too smart.

There's also the issue with his daughter and his retribution v. Neera Tanden for calling her out for jacking medication prices when she was CEO of Mylan.

https://www.newsweek.com/neera-tanden-criticized-joe-manchin-daughter-heather-bresch-1571531

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heather_Bresch

I categorize negotiating with Manchin under "dealing with the devil." We gotta, even if we don't wanna.

[True Blue American]

8. Biden is at

Talking filibuster. One person talking. I am with Biden.

[CrispyQ]

9. Isn't there some kind of pork project for WV, that Schumer can dangle in front of Manchin? -nt

[earthside]

11. He needs to be challenged.

"Where is your infrastructure bill, Sen. Manchin, that is going to get 60 votes?"

"Where is your voting rights bill, Sen. Manchin, that is going to get 60 votes?"

"Where is your immigration reform bill, Sen. Manchin, that is going to get 60 votes?"

Manchin should be challenged to produce if he wants to be taken seriously on the 'sanctity' of 60 votes.

[onecaliberal]

17. 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

He knows he has no plan and he knows there are not 60 votes for any plan to benefit anyone that isn’t a millionaire.

[mvd]

18. All excellent questions

Reconciliation can only be done one more time this year. Will he really be willing to grind everything to a halt?

[Fiendish Thingy]

12. Let's see where he's at after a long hot summer of vaccinated protestors dogging him everywhere.

[Carlitos Brigante]

16. And I'm up to here with this douchebag. nt

[wellst0nev0ter]

21. Still can't believe I got a post removed

For saying Manchin is fucking us fellow democrats. People are on this forum protecting Joe Manchin

[Elessar Zappa]

24. A few people here

are clearly alert-happy. I only vote to remove posts if there’s bigotry involved.

[Xavier Breath]

28. I got two removed in separate discussions

about him. You're in good company.

[wellst0nev0ter]

38. 💕 💕 💕 💕 💕

[ShazzieB]

30. The rules could use some tweaking imo.

Right now, the rules say "Support Democrats" and "Don't bash Democratic public figures." Not much nuance there.

[wellst0nev0ter]

37. Indeed, what are we supposed to do

When actual Democrats are undermining the fortunes of the party. Stay silent? Workshop our responses so they don't cause hurt feelings?

[OnDoutside]

32. I don't alert, but to be honest I'm amazed you haven't been alerted more ! Manchin is an

actual registered Democrat and there's a rule on DU not to be attacking Democrats, so I think you've been fortunate. The irony is that when a non-registered Democrat was running for president, there were alerts flying in like confetti !

[Blecht]

20. West Virginia is full of racists who fully understand the origin of the modern filibuster

And Manchin likes being a Senator.

[boston bean]

26. Heos a real asshole

[bluestarone]

27. Why he doesn't realize that THIS is the most important vote of his lifetime,

Is beyond me. American Democracy depends on this!

[Sibelius Fan]

31. Doesn't Manchin have any Dem allies/colleagues in the Senate that he listens to

who can explain to him why the filibuster needs to go? Is he a lone wolf?

[LiberalFighter]

33. Translation. "I'm still at stupid!"

[vercetti2021]

36. Okay

This class A(hole) is gonna destroy our party and the United States if HR1 doesn't move. Wtf is his goddamn long term goal?