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(219 posts)Did other publications include them? Seems strange that the apost would leave them out.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,512 posts)just don't have the space for Trudeau's requirements.
PCIntern
(25,642 posts)The problem is sometimes they possess the greatest insights.
JHB
(37,166 posts)For a lot of Sunday comics, some panels are designed to be "throwaway" (i.e., they're not necessary for the main gag) to accommodate papers that use the smaller version.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_comics#Sunday_strip_layout
Other formats for Sunday strips include the half-page, the third of a page, the quarter page, the tabloid page or tab, and the half tab, short for half of a tabloid page. Today, with the ever-shrinking size of Sunday strips, many other smaller formats abound.[8]
Usually, only the largest format is complete, with the other formats dropping or cropping one or more panels. Such "throwaway" panels often contain material that is not vital to the main part of the strip. Most cartoonists fill the first two panels of their strips with a "throwaway gag," knowing that the public may not see them, and making them integral to the plot would likely be wasteful. Exceptions to this rule include Steve Canyon and, until its last few years, On Stage, which are complete only in the third format. An alternative is to have a separate strip, a "topper" (though it may appear at the bottom), so with the topper it comprises a three-tier half-page, and without it comprises a two-tier third-page.
Half-page Sunday strips have at least two different styles. The King Features, the Creators' and the Chicago Tribune syndicates use nine panels (with only one used for the title), while United Features and Universal Press' half-page Sunday strips (most of them use a third-page format instead) use two panels for the title (except for Jim Davis' U.S. Acreswhich used the nine-panel format- during the 1980s, when most UFS strips -particularly Davis' more successful Garfieldwould have a throwaway gag).
PCIntern
(25,642 posts)That is a rather fascinating wiki article.
flyingfysh
(1,990 posts)If I want to see them, I go to gocomics.com.
jmowreader
(50,589 posts)One of my duties at work is to lay out the Sunday Comics. We put 12 features (their official name) on one sheet.
When a newspaper gets a Sunday feature, all the panels are in one graphic (it can be either a TIF or a PDF) complete with the title graphic if the newspaper uses one, and we run it as is. Were contracted with the syndicates (I buy from King Features and Andrews McMeel Universal) not to alter their files...so, in some cases (like Pearls Before Swine) we have received two files with slightly different wording in the two and are allowed to pick the one we use. This normally happens when Stephen Pastis uses the word screwed in his submission...which is why one of Pastis minor characters is Comic Strip Censor.
I can only assume, since we dont buy Doonesbury, that the syndicate produces a long file with all the panels and a short one with the first two missing.
JHB
(37,166 posts)"Upload xxx version to xxx sites, upload yyy version to yyy sites." Or the papers know which ftp address they need to link to to download their versions.
The wing of the publishing world I've involved with doesn't have such version issues, but it's clear enough to me how it would be done.
jmowreader
(50,589 posts)There are several versions of each weeks feature in there.
For instance, the Blondie feature I use is named bln_qs20210328.pdf. The numbers are the date it runs. There are many different layouts of this feature and you just take the one you use. If your paper runs them vertically, theres one for it. If they use one with the feature name above it (instead of as its own panel, like we do) theres one for that. (It is ts not qs.) And if theres a feature that some papers run with fewer panels, thats in there too.
Some creators wont let their features be modified, so in that case youll only see two files - TS and QS.
dickthegrouch
(3,188 posts)I try to guess what they may have been then come here to read them.
I've been partially correct, once.
dflprincess
(28,094 posts)underpants
(183,007 posts)malthaussen
(17,235 posts)It's a small thing, but I like it when cartoonists show respect for other cartoonists.
-- Mal
R0ckyRac00n
(84 posts)I can't spot it.
of course. thanks.
Towlie
(5,332 posts)
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Zot! (Note the exclamation mark, just like in the Doonesbury strip.)
The main character:
Jewish space lasers seem more closely connected to this than to the "eatanter."
JHB
(37,166 posts)Johnny Hart's "Zot"s in BC and The Wizard of Id were sudden strikes from nowhere, whether they were from the anteater (which I had a picture of) or the proverbial "blue bolt from the heavens", and they date back to the 60s (maybe even late 50s). That usage would have been present during Trudeau's formational comic years.
Scott McCloud's ZOT! was published from 19841990, a comic-shop-only title, and thus relatively obscure compared to Hart's strips.
It could be both, but without commentary from Trudeau the odds weigh in favor of a Hart nod.
johnthewoodworker
(694 posts)BelieveCassandra
(39 posts)Doonesbury is always so great
RandomNumbers
(17,635 posts)figured someone already commented about it - and you had
PatSeg
(47,741 posts)yellowdogintexas
(22,292 posts)If I remember correctly, Trudeau drew a strip series that some papers would not even run in the comic section; Doonesbury was cancelled by some papers over it. That was when the strip was moved. Some papers just plugged in a re-run
It was so long ago, I don't remember what it was all about, but it kept the strip off the comics page where "children would not see it"
malthaussen
(17,235 posts)... when John Mitchell was indicted.
[link:https://readingdoonesbury.com/2017/10/25/this-week-in-doonesbury-guilty-guilty-guilty/|
Many newspapers banned it, because they thought it crossed the line into prejudicing the case.
He's been banned in other times and places, but not so much as with that one.
-- Mal
jmowreader
(50,589 posts)They also run Mallard Fillmore below it, for balance...you know, a good political feature above a bad one.
Deacon Blue
(252 posts)...also wound up on the Op Ed page of my daily, not because any left-leaners pushed for it, but because the RWNJs (who argued that political cartoons belong on the Op Ed page) complained that they were then under-represented after the Doonesbury move. Some folks are never happy, usually the same folks who enjoy a comic strip without a punchline (Jon Stewart frequently roasted Mallard Fillmore for this). The opportunity for direct comparison laid bare just how much better Trudeaus strips are.
planetc
(7,853 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,578 posts)Pin-point accuracy, that's all I'm saying. From space.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,839 posts)Hekate
(91,003 posts)You abused the privilege
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)... chance.
People think the people who are justifying the 1/6 terrorist attack to stop the transfer of power will give up power peacefully once they get back into office.
The kGQP isn't interested in democracy
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,547 posts)We have to fight them at every level, but the main battle will be about allowing voters to vote.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)misanthrope
(7,436 posts)C'mon, Garry.