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Doonesbury - You Realize That's Nuts, Right? (Original Post) JHB Mar 2021 OP
The St Louis Post Dispatch didn't include the first 2 panels bcool Mar 2021 #1
Do they usually include the first two panels? They're drawn as a throwaway because some papers WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #2
That is correct PCIntern Mar 2021 #4
Some papers do, some don't, depending on the arrangement of their comics pages JHB Mar 2021 #5
Thanks for the link! PCIntern Mar 2021 #7
The Boston Globe always leaves out the first two panels on Sundays flyingfysh Mar 2021 #15
If they're thrown away, it's at the syndicate jmowreader Mar 2021 #32
I'd assume the syndicate has arrangements with the paper as to the version to deliver. JHB Mar 2021 #34
Each feature is in a folder on their FTP server jmowreader Mar 2021 #35
San Jose Mercury News also drops the first two panels. dickthegrouch Mar 2021 #12
The Minneapolis Star Tribune never includes the first two panels. nt dflprincess Mar 2021 #26
YACK! 😁 underpants Mar 2021 #3
Kudos to Trudeau for the nod to Johnny Hart. malthaussen Mar 2021 #6
hmmm whats the nod? R0ckyRac00n Mar 2021 #21
"ZOT!" JHB Mar 2021 #22
Ah R0ckyRac00n Mar 2021 #24
Maybe, but there was also a comic book named "Zot!" Towlie Mar 2021 #27
It's not necessarily exclusive... JHB Mar 2021 #31
Republican/Nazis have never gotten Doonesbury. johnthewoodworker Mar 2021 #8
RepublicQan BelieveCassandra Mar 2021 #9
Yup, I noticed that RandomNumbers Mar 2021 #20
I love Doonesbury! PatSeg Mar 2021 #10
The Louisville Courier Journal put Doonesbury on the editorial pages yellowdogintexas Mar 2021 #11
The most famous and controversial one was the "Guilty, Guilty, Guilty" strip... malthaussen Mar 2021 #25
The Spokane Spokesman-Review runs it in their classifieds jmowreader Mar 2021 #36
Mallard Fillmore, the Never Comic Comic Strip Deacon Blue Mar 2021 #13
Let Doonesbury be kicked. planetc Mar 2021 #14
Don't even joke about those lasers. BobTheSubgenius Mar 2021 #16
Kick burrowowl Mar 2021 #17
Another great Doonesbury strip LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2021 #18
Kicktoon for Doonesbury, always Hekate Mar 2021 #19
K&R, Without HR1 we have no union of states cause if kGQP wins again we don't get a second ... uponit7771 Mar 2021 #23
The Radical Republican Reich, formerly the Republican Party, consider democracy an obstacle. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2021 #28
👍🏾 uponit7771 Mar 2021 #29
Crows have black beaks misanthrope Mar 2021 #30
Unless it's an alpine chough muriel_volestrangler Mar 2021 #33

bcool

(219 posts)
1. The St Louis Post Dispatch didn't include the first 2 panels
Sun Mar 21, 2021, 08:29 AM
Mar 2021

Did other publications include them? Seems strange that the apost would leave them out.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,512 posts)
2. Do they usually include the first two panels? They're drawn as a throwaway because some papers
Sun Mar 21, 2021, 08:30 AM
Mar 2021

just don't have the space for Trudeau's requirements.

JHB

(37,166 posts)
5. Some papers do, some don't, depending on the arrangement of their comics pages
Sun Mar 21, 2021, 08:36 AM
Mar 2021

For a lot of Sunday comics, some panels are designed to be "throwaway" (i.e., they're not necessary for the main gag) to accommodate papers that use the smaller version.


From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_comics#Sunday_strip_layout


Other formats for Sunday strips include the half-page, the third of a page, the quarter page, the tabloid page or tab, and the half tab, short for half of a tabloid page. Today, with the ever-shrinking size of Sunday strips, many other smaller formats abound.[8]

Usually, only the largest format is complete, with the other formats dropping or cropping one or more panels. Such "throwaway" panels often contain material that is not vital to the main part of the strip. Most cartoonists fill the first two panels of their strips with a "throwaway gag," knowing that the public may not see them, and making them integral to the plot would likely be wasteful. Exceptions to this rule include Steve Canyon and, until its last few years, On Stage, which are complete only in the third format. An alternative is to have a separate strip, a "topper" (though it may appear at the bottom), so with the topper it comprises a three-tier half-page, and without it comprises a two-tier third-page.

Half-page Sunday strips have at least two different styles. The King Features, the Creators' and the Chicago Tribune syndicates use nine panels (with only one used for the title), while United Features and Universal Press' half-page Sunday strips (most of them use a third-page format instead) use two panels for the title (except for Jim Davis' U.S. Acres—which used the nine-panel format- during the 1980s, when most UFS strips -particularly Davis' more successful Garfield—would have a throwaway gag).

flyingfysh

(1,990 posts)
15. The Boston Globe always leaves out the first two panels on Sundays
Sun Mar 21, 2021, 11:35 AM
Mar 2021

If I want to see them, I go to gocomics.com.

jmowreader

(50,589 posts)
32. If they're thrown away, it's at the syndicate
Sun Mar 21, 2021, 09:18 PM
Mar 2021

One of my duties at work is to lay out the Sunday Comics. We put 12 features (their official name) on one sheet.

When a newspaper gets a Sunday feature, all the panels are in one graphic (it can be either a TIF or a PDF) complete with the title graphic if the newspaper uses one, and we run it as is. We’re contracted with the syndicates (I buy from King Features and Andrews McMeel Universal) not to alter their files...so, in some cases (like Pearls Before Swine) we have received two files with slightly different wording in the two and are allowed to pick the one we use. This normally happens when Stephen Pastis uses the word “screwed” in his submission...which is why one of Pastis’ minor characters is Comic Strip Censor.

I can only assume, since we don’t buy Doonesbury, that the syndicate produces a long file with all the panels and a short one with the first two missing.

JHB

(37,166 posts)
34. I'd assume the syndicate has arrangements with the paper as to the version to deliver.
Sun Mar 21, 2021, 09:41 PM
Mar 2021

"Upload xxx version to xxx sites, upload yyy version to yyy sites." Or the papers know which ftp address they need to link to to download their versions.

The wing of the publishing world I've involved with doesn't have such version issues, but it's clear enough to me how it would be done.

jmowreader

(50,589 posts)
35. Each feature is in a folder on their FTP server
Sun Mar 21, 2021, 10:26 PM
Mar 2021

There are several versions of each week’s feature in there.

For instance, the Blondie feature I use is named “bln_qs20210328.pdf”. The numbers are the date it runs. There are many different layouts of this feature and you just take the one you use. If your paper runs them vertically, there’s one for it. If they use one with the feature name above it (instead of as its own panel, like we do) there’s one for that. (It is “ts” not “qs”.) And if there’s a feature that some papers run with fewer panels, that’s in there too.

Some creators won’t let their features be modified, so in that case you’ll only see two files - TS and QS.

dickthegrouch

(3,188 posts)
12. San Jose Mercury News also drops the first two panels.
Sun Mar 21, 2021, 10:40 AM
Mar 2021

I try to guess what they may have been then come here to read them.
I've been partially correct, once.

malthaussen

(17,235 posts)
6. Kudos to Trudeau for the nod to Johnny Hart.
Sun Mar 21, 2021, 08:37 AM
Mar 2021

It's a small thing, but I like it when cartoonists show respect for other cartoonists.

-- Mal

Towlie

(5,332 posts)
27. Maybe, but there was also a comic book named "Zot!"
Sun Mar 21, 2021, 07:59 PM
Mar 2021

 
?

Zot! (Note the exclamation mark, just like in the Doonesbury strip.)

The main character:

Zot (Zachary T. Paleozogt) – a blond haired, blue eyed teenage hero from an alternate Earth who flies via gravity boots and fights villains with a ten-shooter laser gun and boundless optimism.


Jewish space lasers seem more closely connected to this than to the "eatanter."

JHB

(37,166 posts)
31. It's not necessarily exclusive...
Sun Mar 21, 2021, 08:43 PM
Mar 2021

Johnny Hart's "Zot"s in BC and The Wizard of Id were sudden strikes from nowhere, whether they were from the anteater (which I had a picture of) or the proverbial "blue bolt from the heavens", and they date back to the 60s (maybe even late 50s). That usage would have been present during Trudeau's formational comic years.


Scott McCloud's ZOT! was published from 1984–1990, a comic-shop-only title, and thus relatively obscure compared to Hart's strips.

It could be both, but without commentary from Trudeau the odds weigh in favor of a Hart nod.

yellowdogintexas

(22,292 posts)
11. The Louisville Courier Journal put Doonesbury on the editorial pages
Sun Mar 21, 2021, 10:30 AM
Mar 2021

If I remember correctly, Trudeau drew a strip series that some papers would not even run in the comic section; Doonesbury was cancelled by some papers over it. That was when the strip was moved. Some papers just plugged in a re-run

It was so long ago, I don't remember what it was all about, but it kept the strip off the comics page where "children would not see it"




malthaussen

(17,235 posts)
25. The most famous and controversial one was the "Guilty, Guilty, Guilty" strip...
Sun Mar 21, 2021, 07:38 PM
Mar 2021

... when John Mitchell was indicted.

[link:https://readingdoonesbury.com/2017/10/25/this-week-in-doonesbury-guilty-guilty-guilty/|

Many newspapers banned it, because they thought it crossed the line into prejudicing the case.
He's been banned in other times and places, but not so much as with that one.

-- Mal

jmowreader

(50,589 posts)
36. The Spokane Spokesman-Review runs it in their classifieds
Sun Mar 21, 2021, 10:28 PM
Mar 2021

They also run Mallard Fillmore below it, for balance...you know, a good political feature above a bad one.

Deacon Blue

(252 posts)
13. Mallard Fillmore, the Never Comic Comic Strip
Sun Mar 21, 2021, 11:14 AM
Mar 2021

...also wound up on the Op Ed page of my daily, not because any left-leaners pushed for it, but because the RWNJs (who argued that political cartoons belong on the Op Ed page) complained that they were then under-represented after the Doonesbury move. Some folks are never happy, usually the same folks who enjoy a comic strip without a punchline (Jon Stewart frequently roasted Mallard Fillmore for this). The opportunity for direct comparison laid bare just how much better Trudeau’s strips are.

uponit7771

(90,371 posts)
23. K&R, Without HR1 we have no union of states cause if kGQP wins again we don't get a second ...
Sun Mar 21, 2021, 03:46 PM
Mar 2021

... chance.

People think the people who are justifying the 1/6 terrorist attack to stop the transfer of power will give up power peacefully once they get back into office.

The kGQP isn't interested in democracy

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,547 posts)
28. The Radical Republican Reich, formerly the Republican Party, consider democracy an obstacle.
Sun Mar 21, 2021, 08:08 PM
Mar 2021

We have to fight them at every level, but the main battle will be about allowing voters to vote.

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