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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAtlanta Shooter Was An Evangelical Is Never Ever Ever Mentioned
Only once did I hear this on a newscast.
Why is this fact COMPLETELY ignored?
If he was Muslim it would be shouted from rooftops and balconies by people beating on pots and pans in the media.
keithsw
(436 posts)is a minister.
Lars39
(26,507 posts)hlthe2b
(113,202 posts)referred to his religious background, for which they were resoundingly "reamed" by those who felt it was providing a defense for his murderous rampage as the "good religious boy gone wrong."
DanieRains
(4,619 posts)They couldn't do this headline. We know.
It is all about Asians being murdered, an nothing about temptation he was eliminating in his poisoned mind.
Temptation.
Who cares about temptation.
I never use this word.
hlthe2b
(113,202 posts)Do I disagree with the teachings of the fundamentalist RW religion. You are damned right, but there is no way in hell or on earth I would allow it to be used as a defense.
DanieRains
(4,619 posts)I was brainwashed can never be an excuse.
The Capitol rioters are finding this out.
Scrivener7
(58,888 posts)"Look how hard it is for young evangelical boys" slant.
(PS: I changed my name y'all!
. I used to be Squinch
maxsolomon
(38,393 posts)Southern Baptist. NYT even discussed the specific church he went to.
Blanket statements are inaccurate.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)that some of these evangelical churches make porn and sexual excitement to be not just sins but pathologies, and that young men who get into porn are "sex addicts", and then some could move from blaming themselves to blaming the "pushers'-- the women.
Of course, most young evangelical men will never murder, but it is rather remarkable how many do actually murder, usually women, often their own wives.
DanieRains
(4,619 posts)Fundamentalist Christianity Has Considerable Blame in the Georgia Shootings
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215251355
Time we start talking about America's (and the world's) Evangelical Church Problem.
pidge
(274 posts)maxsolomon
(38,393 posts)You know "I don't agree" is not a well-reasoned argument, right?
Welcome to DU.
pidge
(274 posts)Claire Oh Nette
(2,636 posts)Evangelicals do not believe in compromise about their faith. In the political arena, this leads to office holders who will not compromise on legislation as it betrays their faith. Government is about compromise. Evangelicalism is about recruiting others to one's own rigid world view.
It's not Jewish people, or Presbyterians, or Lutherans, or Episcopalians committing mass murder against these women of asian descent.
Evangelicals want to be a part of the political arena without paying taxes. THey're big on wanting it both ways. They hold archaic, sexist views of women and female autonomy. They are a problem, indeed.
TheRealNorth
(9,647 posts)I demand that every Republican describe him as such.
UTUSN
(77,302 posts)love_katz
(3,224 posts)Martin Eden
(15,443 posts)... do they subscribe to the Ten Commandments including Thou Shalt Not Kill?
JustABozoOnThisBus
(24,634 posts)with an evangelical atheist. My bladder finally dictated my escape.
I'm more of an agnostic, but not sure enough to push the idea.
Martin Eden
(15,443 posts)They claim to love Jesus but in practice they reject nearly everything Jesus actually stood for.
I'm agnostic as well. I don't believe in God but I can't honestly say I know there is no supernatural being at work in this universe.
Mariana
(15,613 posts)According to the stories, after God issued that law, he ordered his followers to exterminate whole populations. Not to mention all the rules that required that violators be executed.
Martin Eden
(15,443 posts)Well, I suspect the Word Of God usually (or always) is a fabrication by men to justify acts of cruelty or murder.
lindysalsagal
(22,840 posts)
Hekate
(100,133 posts)I thought, uh-oh. Strict upbringing in a religion where sexual urges are wrong and Woman is the Temptress. Women are just born wrong, you know, and if a man just cant control himself, it is all her fault.
DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)the cop killed at the insurrection was an outspoken right winger.....................
stopdiggin
(15,167 posts)integral part of the story -- within hours. couldn't miss it.
now they've even moved on to different slants and 'takes' of the religious element. somebody's not paying attention.
ThatJustHappened
(78 posts)And the GOP
And vaccine deniers
And mask deniers
And climate change deniers
It's cuz only 4% of people are in their right minds -- and are Atheist
And so it would be political/corporate/social suicide to mention
The God Delusion as being the obvious cause of all the world's problems.
Don't believe that religion is the cause of all problems?
Especially the three Abrahamic Religions?
The root global problem
That is the cause of all global problems
Is overpopulation
And the cause of overpopulation
Is go forth and multiply
Buckeye_Democrat
(15,511 posts)... mostly on him killing people of Asian ancestry.
I'm convinced that his evangelical background played a big role too, but it's something that's largely not discussed in the media and elsewhere.
Even the fact that white evangelical Christians overwhelmingly voted for Trump, and at a larger voter percentage than their percentage among the general population, doesn't get as much media attention. Both Biden AND Clinton would've won the "white vote" too if none of the white evangelicals had voted! Yet the media will typically focus on other things, like education levels or their mostly-rural locations.
They're probably concerned about upsetting the religious nuts too much.
For crying out loud, atheists were at the BOTTOM among a list of possible Presidential candidates according to a poll a few years ago, which had asked people in the USA if they would vote for a woman, Muslim, African American, atheist, etc.
Edit:
And there's absolutely unfair discrimination that happens in workplaces and elsewhere if someone reveals they're an atheist! I've endured it myself!
I strongly identify with this scene from "Cool Hand Luke", when the guards only eased up after Luke had seemingly "found God". (The character had earlier upset them and pretty much everyone else when he'd challenged the idea of God's existence.)
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)described in ways that encourages people to ascribe it to Islam or Christianity.
If newscasts did abandon truth and responsibility to pander to religious bigotry, they'd promptly be called out. Just as they would if they made sure to explain that teachers apparently incited the murder spree murder by wearing slacks that outlined their buttocks -- because some disordered creep claimed that as his trigger -- and millions of misogynists leaped to point their fingers at women's butts.
Buckeye_Democrat
(15,511 posts)They're regularly taught to CONVERT others to their religion.
I've personally never dealt with Catholics, Jews and other religious groups so actively trying to convert others.
Then it's often like the "lazy person's religion", without much action to prove it beyond SAYING that you're in their group now. So it can be very tribal.
That attitude of focusing on "the other" could lead to bigotry, in my opinion.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)is just one form of. Catholicism didn't get to be the world's largest religion by not focusing on conversion, often forced by military might when not voluntary. Judaism, btw, is the opposite and typically doesn't invite conversion; they make people work at it by making them study Judaism first.
Frankly, I have no idea why anyone would leap to ascribe this to evangelical religion, though, even without journalism's duty to be socially responsible, as if the south especially were overrun by hoards of murdering churchgoers.
Especially when this adolescent creep is obviously mentally disordered.
Buckeye_Democrat
(15,511 posts)... was more focused on converting others. The Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc.
The world would be a better place if more people had a "live and let live" attitude, which obviously that murderer didn't ascribe to.
There's clearly many evangelicals who would NEVER do what he did, but I'm very wary of anyone who clearly feels compelled to convert others to their tribe... especially when it can't even be objectively defended by facts and evidence.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)of religion. If I were you, I'd learn more about religion instead in order to seek truth with an end goal of becoming wise and good.
I see nothing to gain from maintaining ignorance to support my prejudices. And if I did, I'd want to be on the trumpist side. They're doing much better at it.
Seriously, why not look up some local evangelical churches and attend a few services? Look around. I don't say you'll find a great deal to admire in their content overall, I can't say I have, but if you look at the earnest congregants, who overwhelmingly want to live godly lives, you won't see this vicious degenerate in them.
Buckeye_Democrat
(15,511 posts)... evangelical Christian sister.
If she wasn't my sister, I would've "told her off" long ago instead of mostly remaining quiet as she spouts her religious beliefs.
I was raised in a Methodist church, which was far more forgiving of other beliefs. She was raised that way too, but switched to Southern Baptist because "They make you stand before the congregation and declare that Jesus is your only salvation! The Methodist church never did that! The pastor just kept reading scripture and comparing the teachings to the modern world as everyone sat quietly!"
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