Holy shit! Joe Biden's swinging for the fences.

[RandySF]

“President Biden’s economic advisers are preparing to recommend spending as much as $3 trillion on a sweeping set of efforts aimed at boosting the economy, reducing carbon emissions and narrowing economic inequality, beginning with a giant infrastructure plan that may be financed in part through tax increases on corporations and the rich,” the New York Times reports.

“After months of internal debate, Mr. Biden’s advisers are expected to present a proposal to the president this week that recommends carving his economic agenda into separate legislative pieces, rather than trying to push a mammoth package through Congress.”

“The total new spending in the plans would likely be $3 trillion.”




https://politicalwire.com/2021/03/22/biden-team-preparing-up-to-3-trillion-package/

[True Dough]

1. Republicans: "BUT THE DEBT!!!!"

Guaranteed.

[lagomorph777]

3. No problem. Take back the billionaire tax cut.

[mountain grammy]

20. Exactly!

A wealth tax and higher taxes on the billionaire/millionaire class must be part of the package. Also, religious institutions. All these entities giving voice to political agendas while paying nothing in taxes has to end.

[onetexan]

27. Bingo!!

[KPN]

33. Yes! Absolutely!

[calimary]

43. Well, why not? It should be framed and messaged as "their patriotic duty!"

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We're very glad you wealthy people got such a great and generous break! Good for you!

You've enjoyed this bountiful gift-of-privilege for awhile now, and hopefully you've gotten a lot of good out of it.

And now, it's time to give it back! You've had it, for awhile now, and now it's somebody else's turn!

It's only fair, and after all, YOU DID get served FIRST.

Only fair, just, reasonable, AND SUPER-PATRIOTIC to show your leadership and move to the back, so someone else who needs the help can move up front. And take THEIR turn.

Hey, I learned that in pre-kindergarten! You get to be first in line? Great! Take your turn! And then - go to the end and everybody else moves up - and SOMEBODY ELSE gets to be first in line. We're ALL equal and we're all together in the same line here, and we ALL get a turn to be first, right? NOBODY gets to be first in line ALL the time. We take turns. And the wealthy among us know they already HAD their turn. In fact, THEIR turn came first.

So frankly they have NOTHING to complain about, now that it's somebody else's turn.

[Laha]

50. I wish this could be slapped in the face of every rich a#*hole

who thinks they're entitled to all of the perks of being rich.

Well said.

[EndlessWire]

63. Yes, I agree.

Not sure of the reasoning behind the churches not having to pay taxes, but I am tired of seeing rich church leaders living the life off of their average members. There isn't any reason why churches can't pay their fair share of taxes.

Wasn't there some atrocious legal opinion that made corporations "persons?" Or, something like that? Let these "persons" pay their fair share.

[azureblue]

39. rewind it

back to the rates during the Eisenhower (A Republican!!) administration.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

6. They discovered the deficit the day after Biden was elected.

That and the filibuster are their two main tools for keeping any of Biden's agenda from coming to fruition. And Manchin, too. He represents a tiny state yet his whims affect millions of people. If the GQP can get him to vote their way -- or even abstain -- Moscow Mitch will effectively control the Senate, and his goal for Biden is identical to the one he had for Obama -- to make him a one term president.

Biden is smart to redefine "bipartisanship" to encompass the desires of the entire country and not just the Congress.

[Rabrrrrrr]

23. And they had the same shocked response to a deficit the day after Obama was elected...

and the day after Clinton was elected...

This isn't just left-wing handwringing, either - the GOP truly never complained about deficits or national debt under Reagan*, Bush, Bush II, or Trump. Absolutely quiet. Not a peep.

Their quiet was especially profound during Trump's presidency.

*the rare exception was that even as Reagan was cranking up the national debt with crazy deficit spending to out-nuke Russia and other things, he was also on TV it seemed every week telling us how terrible our national debt is and how it has to be gotten under control because government is the problem, not the solution.

[dsc]

28. It is even more galling than that

when Bush 43 wanted to have his tax cut the justification that Greenspan gave for supporting it was that there was a danger we could pay the debt down too fast. Simply unbelievable.

[Midnight Writer]

7. Trump racked up more debt in his four years than any President in history.

Obama reduced the annual deficit drastically during his terms.

W Bush racked up an impressive debt during his eight years.

Bill Clinton knocked out the annual deficit, and actually handed Bush a massive surplus, along with a plan to totally retire our National Debt by 2015. Bush wiped his ass with that plan.

Fuck the Republicans and their whining about the debt they built.

They're like a drug addict that is mad at their spouse for spending money on groceries.

[True Dough]

8. Of course you're right about all of that

But it doesn't stop the right from being so myopic.

[TreasonousBastard]

21. Or stop huge chunks of the public from believing it.

[Geechie]

10. "They're like a drug addict that is mad at their spouse for spending money on groceries."

BINGO.

[wnylib]

12. This needs to be messaged by us in a way

that makes people notice and pay attention when voting. Remember how the other party tagged us with "tax and spend"?

We need an equivalent message about them driving up the deficit with upper class tax breaks that shift costs downward.

[uponit7771]

14. +1, RayGun nearly TRIPPLED the national debt to GDP. Make sure you say debt to GDP cause then

... MAGA Cultist will act like their gods increased GDP because of tax cuts, they didn't

[samplegirl]

54. Trump added trillions

alone just by himself with tax cuts!

[Voltaire2]

2. they have to kill the filibuster.

[lagomorph777]

4. No other option! Do it, or let McConnell do it (because we let him win).

[speak easy]

37. NO. Not in this case. They do not.

The Build Back Better Bill can be passed by a second budget reconciliation.

[Voltaire2]

42. they are talking about three separate bills

and anything that looks squinty to the 'parliamentarian' would be cut. There are three slots for reconciliation and one has been used.

[Baked Potato]

5. Good, the country needs fixing badly.

[hamsterjill]

30. Absolutely!

And we need the jobs! Go, Joe and Pete!!!

[ancianita]

9. His legislative team is good. Hope these bills help the two blue dogs get in the unity zone.

[KPN]

34. Target huge infrastructure projects in WVa and AZ

That’ll do it.

[AZ8theist]

11. "Financed in part"???

Why not finance ALL OF IT by taxing the rich?

REPEAL AND REPLACE THE TRUMP TAX SCAM

[AllaN01Bear]

13. ok for only reublicans and not democrats . the former guy racked up a huge debt and they didnt blink

but the minute a dem gets in, look out. id love to see a dem senetor shove it back into their faces.

[rickyhall]

15. It's like putting off fixing the roof till you're looking at the stars.

It's called Republican Governance. It's cheaper for about 40 years, then it costs TRILLIONS. And nobody saw it coming, right?

[Mary in S. Carolina]

16. "Biden is Bad***"

This needs to be his motto!

[ailsagirl]

17. I wish we could take money...

out of repukes’ ridiculously inflated pay and use it to help people who really need it.

Oh, wouldn’t they howl!!!!!!!

Total fantasy I realize, but wouldn’t that be something?

[Budi]

18. Janet Yellen advised, "Go Even Bigger," or go home.

BFD!!! Mr President!! 💙

[Aviation Pro]

19. You know what I'd like to see?

A modernized LaGuardia Airport newly renamed Joseph R. Biden International Airport.

That's what I'd like to see.

[KPN]

35. +1000!

[WarGamer]

22. Raise. Taxes. Now.

The Bill is due...

Responsible Adults pay their Bills.

C19 cost the US $4T so far...

Reach into the pockets of the wealthy and fucking TAKE IT.

[orangecrush]

26. This.

[KPN]

36. Yep. Take it BACK!

[Tommymac]

59. We could also cut 1.9 Trillion out of Defense - cancel the mediocre F-35

Just sayin'

[WarGamer]

65. absolutely.

Damn waste of money.

Within a decade the manned fighter aircraft will be obsolete.

The future is UAV fighter aircraft with capabilities that a human body can't endure... like 20g turns.

[roamer65]

24. We have to back this up with major tax increases.

At least a top marginal rate of 50 percent, or we are going to have one helluva currency crisis issuing all that Treasury paper.

Taxes on income over 300k have to go up significantly.

[orangecrush]

25. GO! GO! GO!

That's the way you do it!

[bucolic_frolic]

29. As strange as this may sound, we'll grow our way out of any deficit because people will be happy

and productive. This is a move from a goods economy to a labor economy. People will work harder if the rewards are larger.

This would turn Reaganomics and supply-side and the job creators on their heads!

The best job creation is higher wages because we all spend and there would be more to spend!

Would you like good jobs with good wages and benefits, or would you like racism and pollution? This is the 2024 choice voters will have to make, and we must make that choice clear to every American voter.

[panfluteman]

31. Biden's Main Strategy: Show the American People What Good, Honest Governing Looks Like.

Come to think of it, that just might be the best way to show the Republican lies and disinformation for what it is. The real deal cuts through all the BS.

[Demnation]

32. About damn time. Dems need to go big or go home. Go BIG Joe!

[SheltieLover]

38. Modern era FDR!

[Botany]

53. Yup! My own little piece of heaven on earth New Germany State Park in Western MD

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Much of the cabins and trail system were built by a FDR /CCC project (big government). This has paid the
local and national economy back many times over. I try to go there every year.

[SheltieLover]

56. Gorgeous!

Glad you are enjoying Nature! Gorgeous!

[Botany]

58. I try to go in the winter to cross country ski.

The cabins have American Chestnut paneling, wood burning stoves, and no TV or cell phone reception.
It is not fancy but I like it. The quite at night in the winter is awesome.





BTW Joe B. knows his time as President is limited and so he is trying to get as much done as possible.

[nitpicker]

40. I wish I didn't have to say this

IMO, pigs will fly unassisted first.

Most legislation, to pass the Senate, requires 60 votes.

Who are the biggest donors to the GOP?? VERY rich Repugs.

[LymphocyteLover]

45. I'm assuming they'll try to do this through reconciliation as they have another opportunity this

year for it

[Celerity]

49. Joe Manchin's opposition to party-line infrastructure bill may derail early Democratic efforts

to capitalize on Biden stimulus

https://www.businessinsider.com/manchin-opposition-democrat-infrastructure-bill-setback-biden-stimulus-filibuster-reconciliation-2021-3?r=US&IR=T

[LymphocyteLover]

57. For now... I suspect his patience might wear thin as he tries to engage GOPers more

and get their votes

[Progressive Jones]

51. The more good things the GOP stonewalls, the less popular they become.

The GOP base is hurting, too, except for the big donors.
Sooner or later, GOP votes are going to dry up.

[a kennedy]

41. TAX THEIR DAMN ASSES........bout damn time they finally pay up. 🤬 🤬 🤬

Come on Joe, make em pay.

[LymphocyteLover]

44. Let's do it!

[c-rational]

46. Go Go Go!

[LudwigPastorius]

47. It gets better daily.

Lina Khan nominated as a FTC commissioner.

Marty Walsh, an actual former president of a local, is now Secretary of Labor.

Let's get all these pieces in place, neuter, or eliminate, the Senate filibuster, and start reversing 40 years of Republican/Corporate fuckery!

[BobTheSubgenius]

48. He's not getting cheated on his swings, is he?

Holy shit.

[FlyingPiggy]

52. Whenever conservatives express concern over where the $ will come from to pay for it,

I always tell them the same place we found the 1.3 trillion dollars to give to the rich. So many ridiculous corporate apologists. SMDH...

[Wounded Bear]

60. Not to mention the $5 Trillion for the War on Terror...

[betsuni]

55. So those who say Democrats are "corporate" "establishment" "both sides" and ignore

the working and middle classes and are beholden to Wall Street/oil and gas/billionaires because of corruption are wrong. And incrementalism isn't immoral and evil.

[Kid Berwyn]

61. Out of the park!

Big Swing Joe

[augyboston]

62. Go Big or Go Home.

I read that there are some in the administration who want to split the package. The logic being that if they separate out infrastructure, they may be able to get some Republican support!?!

What planet are these people living on? The very idea that they still think they can reach out to these partisan extremists is just naive.

The Dems need to develop some street smarts.

I say go for it all while you have the momentum! Run a tank right down the middle of McConnell's roadblock. End the filibuster, pass HR-1, pass this infrastructure bill in it's entirety and reestablish a true progressive taxation system.

GO BIG or GO HOME!

[LiberalLovinLug]

64. Who needs Bernie?

I'm joking, as I'm a big Sanders fan. But dang it, Joe is surprising me how willing he is to "swing for the fences". So refreshing to see Joe not go down the same pointless path that Obama took with the enemy.