The F'ing AR-15

[True Dough]

How many more times?

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[SunSeeker]

1. The same gun humpers who helped end the assault weapons ban...

Are now lining up with their Thin Blue Line flags, shedding crocodile tears, to honor fallen Boulder officer Eric Talley.

[Arkansas Granny]

2. And along comes the "guns don't kill people" crowd. Who do you think has the ear of Congress?

I've said many times that if we couldn't get any gun control measures passed after Newtown, there is little chance of it ever happening.

[uponit7771]

3. PGR's should be placed on same list as grenades

[Rhiannon12866]

4. Twitter replies:

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[mnmoderatedem]

5. what was the real rationale for making them legal in the first place?

if you have an intruder in your home, you're going to use a hand gun for defense. Nobody sleeps with an AR-15 under their pillow.

[Kaleva]

6. Semi-auto rifles have been legal for a long time.

[AverageOldGuy]

10. Anyone who needs 20 rounds . . .

True that semi-auto weapons are legal -- pistols, rifles, shotguns. In fact, I own a few -- .45 and .40 cal pistols, Remington 1100 shotgun. My rifles all are bolt-action with 4 or 5 round magazines.

While the AR-15 is marketed as a "modern sporting rifle," anyone who needs 10 or 20 rounds for deer hunting should take up another hobby. My Remington and Weatherby rifles have 4- and 5-round magazines. I've never needed more than 2 for deer, elk, and moose. Besides, using the AR-15 most popular round-- 5.56 mm -- is not legal for hunting in most states and heavily restricted in others.

I carried the original AR-15 -- the M-16 -- during three tours in a place called "Viet Nam." Don't own one now, have no use for it. There need to be bans on certain types of weapons and magazine capacity. Period.

[Cosmocat]

13. Well stated, thank you

nm

[Locrian]

18. image

I think there's also a psychological "image" of the AR type weapons. Yes, I know that semi-auto is semi-auto, etc.
But it seems that ARs are marketed at the "go to war" gun that is "best" if you need to "go to battle". '
While there may be a few "sport enthusiasts" - its just not the target audience.

The target audience is people who (mainly) live in a fear based world, where the "need' something to keep them safe. Or go on a killing spree. Or both. Look at all the cosplay stuff (vests, belts, gear, etc) that the proud boys type, etc all seem to buy with their ARs. That isn't for "deer hunting" or "target shooting". Its buying into a fear based tough guy (sometimes girls but mainly guys).

So it's no wonder that AR "image" is what sells when your local crackpot, white supremacist, right wing religious (?) wacko goes off the deep end. And I think that IS a big deal.

It doesn't mean the AR isnt similar in capability to no AR semi-autos, but the mentality/image/psychology is different.

[Kaleva]

20. ARs are popular because they are so versatile

They can fire anything from pistol cartridges up to shotgun shells and high power center fire rounds.

The versatility of the gun is what will make it impossible to ban unless one bans all semi-auto rifles.

[Kaleva]

19. Most states allow hunting of deer with the .223 round.

which states prohibit it?

In parts of lower Michigan, the guns you have would be illegal to use for hunting as they are considered too powerful.

Also, one can easily purchase 5 round mags for AR-15 style rifles.

AR-15 style rifles can fire anything from .22 cal to shotgun shells. Your can buy one that fires the same rounds your rifles do.

And since you can buy an AR that fires the same rounds as you own rifles do and you can purchase 5 round mags for the AR, what is your actual issue with the AR style rifle then?

[RVN VET71]

7. Money, sales, bad people getting rich

and their whores and minions in Congress getting whores and donations. It’s what makes America so exceptional.

[hack89]

17. The lines were drawn in 1934 by the Gun Control Act

Semi-automatic weapons were common and had been around for decades and were deemed acceptable. Fully automatic weapons were basically outlawed

[Dial H For Hero]

23. When the AR-15 was first marketed in the 1960's, semiauto firearms had already been in existence

and legal to own since the 1890's. This Winchster Model 1907 rifle could be equipped with 20 round magazines over a century ago;

[Ilsa]

8. Muskets. Only muskets. nt

[AverageOldGuy]

9. ". . . three times is enemy action."

This observation appears in Ian Fleming's book "Goldfinger":

“Mr Bond, they have a saying in Chicago: 'Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action'.”

While there is some question as to where Ian Fleming picked up this quote, there is no question that the observation is accurate.

So -- now the question is: "Who is the enemy?" I think we all know the answer to that.

[BeyondGeography]

11. Maybe the gunners here can start a feelgood thread about AR-15s

We’re all ears, guys.

[jcgoldie]

25. Its a slippery slope you know?

First they get your AR 15 automatic weapon that everyone uses for mass shootings pretty soon they want your deer hunting rifle...

Sort of like how they started out making us drive 55 and wear seat belts and now the speed limits are all 20 and people have to wrap themselves in bubble wrap... no way to control that sort of overreach and make the laws specific to the problems I suppose...

[BeyondGeography]

26. Next thing you know

we’ll be saving lives.

[speak easy]

12. OK. Yeah. But Atlanta was a hand gun.

[czarjak]

14. Just following The Chosen One's orders?

[Unknown Beatle]

15. El Paso Walmart Shooter

had a WASR-10 rifle, a semi-automatic civilian version of the AK-47. An AR-15 and an AK-47 are very similar.

[Delmette2.0]

16. If we can't do anything practical,

like Universal Background Checks, banning automatic weapons, and magazine clips.

Let's just call it what we ideally need.

If an individual wants an automatic weapon of any kind or magazine clips, oh and silencers. They just need a special license. We will call it the Human Hunting License.


I am so sick of the NRA and their bullshit.

[mitch96]

24. "If we can't do anything practical"..Ban the bullets.. or make them $10/round...

Yea, yeah I know.. only bad guys will get the bullets trop.....
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[Delmette2.0]

27. Pffff.

$10 a round is nothing. Make it $100 or $500 a round.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

21. The time is NOW to reinstate the Assault Weapons ban

To the dismay of the gun lovers.

All of the slaughter that has taken place in recent years has been done with this weapon. There is NO need for it to be sold to civilians.

Personal protection, my ass! This shooter in Boulder yesterday was not hunting Elk or protecting his home from intruders. Nor is this about the 2nd Amendment. It CEASES to be about the 2nd Amendment when guns are used to murder people in the manner as in Boulder, Aurora, Newtown, Las Vegas, Atlanta, and elsewhere.

If Congress is too chickenshit to act, the people must rise up to demand a stop to the easy access to guns, while doing everything they can to making voting harder.

[hack89]

22. Senate Democrats will never let that happen

Don’t you remember what happened after Sandy Hook? To increase our numbers in the Senate we will need to win pro-gun states.