another white male mass killer arrested alive by the police

[samsingh]

Amazing how the police can arrest white males, who were heavily armed and just killed many people, alive. Yet an unarmed black man minding his own business is killed by many well armed police - over and over again.

https://apnews.com/article/shootings-colorado-74ad3bbbe6dea7e9122b946e22b1cef3

[ProudMNDemocrat]

1. Had it been a Black man, he would have been dead..

[taxi]

4. Had it been a Black man, he would have been dead..

adding: he would have been dead, handcuffed, and left on the sidewalk for hours...

[Bucky]

113. Had it been a Muslim, he would have been-- um...

Don't let your cynicism out pace the horrors of the day.

You're probably right about the racial difference, but maybe we should wait until terrible things happen before lamenting them.

[taxi]

115. Real world events are not cynicsm. What are you saying? nt

[samsingh]

171. this is not about religion, its about racism against visible minorities and skin color

Black being the hunted for many police

Asian coming up behind that.

[samsingh]

170. and then his reputation attacked by made up or exaggerated talking points

[taxi]

175. Senator Bracy of Orlando is considering entering the race for Governor

Changes are long overdue. It's good to see this much activity on our side.

Democratic Sen. Randolph Bracy posted a campaign-like video on his website Tuesday, fueling speculation that he may run for Governor in 2022.

The roughly two-minute video, first reported by the Orlando Sentinel, addresses Florida’s need for a science-driven vaccine strategy and a “fair” unemployment system amid the COVID-19 pandemic.

“Too many good people in too many neighborhoods have been suffering this past year,” Bracy says in the video. “Loved ones are dying, jobs have disappeared.”

https://floridapolitics.com/archives/414271-randolph-bracy-teases-run-for-governor

https://www.flsenate.gov/Senators/s11

[taxi]

179. Today Shevrin Jones and the Black caucus stood with The African-American Clergy Alliance. (tweet)

Link to tweet

?s=20

We can never give up.

[samnsara]

2. they want this guy to fry..remember he killed one of their own....

.....I dont think this guy is being treated with kid gloves right now.

[Celerity]

3. 'they want this guy to fry'

There is no death penalty in Colorado. It was ended exactly one year ago today, March 23, 2020.

[whathehell]

14. Okay, they want him to rot in prison for life..

Good enough for you?

[Celerity]

15. works for me

cheers

[whathehell]

20. Me too.

cheers back at ya.

[samsingh]

21. so either way the police are making a determination on who rots in prison and who they kill

that was the point i was making

when the police want to make an arrest they find a way no matter how well armed the assailant.

that is horrible in everyway when you consider all the black men and women that were determined not to be worth sending to jail (most of those killed by police were actually doing nothing wrong when they were confronted by the police).

[whathehell]

26. I'm well aware

of the point that's being made, I just think it''s being overplayed

A few years ago, a Black mass shooter, and his young black accomplice went on a shooting spree in Washington DC. They
we're both taken alive and tried in court. I'll be happy to provide the links to anyone actually unaware of this.

[barbtries]

31. not mass shooters

serial killers.

unless we're talking apples and oranges.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.C._sniper_attacks

[whathehell]

34. Big dif?

I think not.

[barbtries]

35. the difference is

that they caught these guys through investigation - they weren't on the scene of their killings.

ETA by definition a mass shooting involves several victims at one event.

[whathehell]

37. ..and many white.mass shooters have been killed on the spot.

I just don't think these mass killings are the best example of racial disparities in police handling.

[samsingh]

54. that's a good point

[samsingh]

172. first, they were arrested and not caught in the act.

second, not every police officer or activity is evil. Exceptions will be found and then used to justify the killing of innocent Black Men.That is the right wing motif that keeps this going.

[Solomon]

177. Overplayed?!!

Ok.

[samsingh]

180. i don't understand how black men being executed by the police is overplayed.

[whathehell]

181. Would you prefer "Overstated"?

My point, made in post #37, is that the mass shootings aren't the best examples with which to illustrate racial disparities in policing.

[aggiesal]

79. They'll pull and Epstein n/t

[whathehell]

136. For this Boulder cop killer?..Whatever for?

He has nothing on anyone.

[aggiesal]

149. Just to NOT say they killed him n/t

[whathehell]

155. No, there's little to no need for the "cloak and dagger" with mass shooters

The majority either kill themselves or are killed by the police.

[UpInArms]

6. Naaaah, they probably took him out for a burger

Since he was just having a bad day

[whathehell]

18. Um, no, that was Georgia..

Not likely to be taking a cop killer out for burgers.

[UpInArms]

19. True ...

And his name was Kyle, so no bottle of water for him!

[Dawgman49]

25. Um, no, that was south carolina

9 murdered while in a prayer group at Mother Emanuel church in Charleston. Young white shooter apprehended later and police stopped at burger joint for him on their way to jail

[whathehell]

29. Um, no, the "bad day" Asian spa killings happened in Atlanta last week

Well aware of the church shootings in SC.

[Celerity]

27. South Carolina (I assume you are talking about Dylann Roof) and Snopes called it false

Did Police Take Dylann Roof to Burger King?

Charleston church shooter Dylann Roof was reportedly "taken to Burger King" after he was arrested for murdering nine people.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2015/06/22/dylann-roof-burger-king/

[whathehell]

30. Yes, I know about Dylann Roof.

Thanks for the Snopes report.

[uponit7771]

39. taken out vs brought too doesn't change the fact he was treated humanely vs many black males

... in the US are choked to death or even shot in their backs 7 times in front of their children.

[Celerity]

52. non sequitur

I made no such claims about the comparative behaviour you are now speaking of.

[Treefrog]

92. Thank you for this. This will upset quite a few people's applecart lol.

[samsingh]

22. exactly

[Ferrets are Cool]

17. That isn't the point.

[Cosmocat]

36. This is acceptable collateral damage

They don't like it, but its someone from within the tribe, the concern about the evil liberal overides it.

Of all the blue lives matter people on my feed I have YET to see one of them, even ONE, who said a peep about thousands of insurrectionists going medieval on police at the capital building. Most of these people are in, or are family with law enforcement.

[UpInArms]

5. I am so furious

If it had been a 12 year old black child playing with a toy, he would have been shot on sight

Or a black man in his car with his wife and child ...

Or a Latino man

But, noooooo ... this murdering white f*** gets to keep breathing ...

[Chipper Chat]

7. I've watched several videos of all those black men being shot or killed by police but nothing distur

Bs me more than the video of Tamir Rice being shot dead. I am still weeping.

[UpInArms]

8. Me, too

[robbob]

9. Did the cop who jumped out of the car to shoot Tamir

in under 5 seconds suffer any consequences? I don’t remember, but I don’t think so...

make that “in under 2 seconds”, and the cop who shot Tamir was eventually fired for failing to report poor performance reviews on his application. But the DA, after acting vigorously as defence for the 2 cops finally failed to move for indictment and dismissed the case. Criminal.

[Ms. Toad]

141. He is Syrian. n/t

[UpInArms]

156. He doesn't appear black or brown

regardless of his national origin

[Ms. Toad]

164. He looks Middle Eastern,

and you're dreaming if you don't think people of Middle Eastern descent aren't almost as hated as blacks - and, it is generally more "acceptable" to hate them.

The truism is not applicable in this case. It is silly to twist yourself into pretzels to try to make it true.

[UpInArms]

165. I do so you enjoy your life

[spinbaby]

10. If he were black, or Muslim, or an immigrant...

...he may or may not have been shot, but we would have heard all about him by now. The longer they don’t talk about who this guy is, the greater the chance he’s a right-wing wacko.

[maxsolomon]

87. He is a Syrian Immigrant.

So that theory's shot.

[Treefrog]

95. Oopsie. I had a feeling this was going to happen. Jumping to conclusions is never a good thing.

[samsingh]

173. he is not a black man - that is the key

how can the police successfully arrest a violent well armed killer but a group of police officers panick when a 14 year old in distant park is holding a toy gun, or a bicycler who they just wanted to question is running away in panick and shot multiple times in the back. The initial response of the police were scared? of an unarmed black man?

[ancianita]

11. Had it been a black man, he'd be dead.

[samsingh]

53. strangled, shot, or fallen out of a window

[IronLionZion]

12. Did he have a bad day?

10 dead Americans including a police officer. So I guess America is getting back to pre-pandemic normal.




https://heavy.com/news/king-soopers-suspect-shooter-photos-video/

[Upthevibe]

13. George Floyd, a black American,

was killed in Minneapolis, Minnesota, while being arrested for allegedly using a counterfeit bill. White man is arrested and walked to a police car after he's killed 10 grocery store shoppers and a police officer!

[samsingh]

24. the police have pulled a murderous con the american people aided by white supremists and cowards

at every level of society.

[Treefrog]

99. Was that cop that got killed part of this con?

[samsingh]

122. no - but let's get serious and look at the number of unarmed black men and women that get killed

for doing nothing but being black.

The bias here is the same that we saw on Feb 6. The imbecile ron johnson even admitted that when he saw white people protesting he was fine but had they been BLM he would have been scared.

btw - there are some black celebrities that don't feel racism. Does that mean there is none based on their small sample?

[Mars and Minerva]

16. He was probably just having a bad day....

[FailureToCommunicate]

23. A Black man could never have gotten far from his car with a rifle, even if CO is an

"open carry" state.

I doubt, in practice, open carry applies to people of color.

[AllaN01Bear]

28. i thought i read on here that there was a study done that most of these trigger happy folk

were hard right wing extremest . and yes a black and or other would have been shot dead .

[bucolic_frolic]

32. They had the time to cut open the roof

[colorado_ufo]

33. Justice will come.

I am glad that they took him alive so that they can find out more information. It is possible he is part of some group or cult, and there are others like him. I want to know his motive here. A dead man not only tells no tales, he offers no new information.

[Paladin]

38. There's no justice involved, here. (nt)

[Caliman73]

90. Yes, it is typically better that they are arrested, examined, and tried.

That is not the point of the post though. Criminals, even violent criminals, should be arrested and receive due process. We should study people who participate in these shootings to learn about why they do what they do. I may be naive, but I don't think people are saying that the shooter should be killed (though I know more than a few probably feel they should, revenge is a strong emotional motivation in people).

What is being conveyed is that it appears a disproportionate amount of White people who commit violence, are taken into custody when Black people who may or may not have committed violence (and sometimes no real crime at all) are killed quickly and without seeming provocation by those same police.

[colorado_ufo]

146. You put that very well, and I do understand and appreciate your kind response.

However, when I see posts that say "there is no justice," then it worries me that some people may think if a white defendant is brought to trial, he/she will be automatically declared innocent or receive too light a sentence; therefore justice will only be had if it is carried out immediately by law enforcement. It is not too far a stretch of thinking.

[Caliman73]

148. It is a fraught issue for sure.

I think that some people are saying, again, that the "justice" issue is that Black people tend to get killed for little to no reason. Like I said, there are some people who I too fear, want "justice" in the form of a bullet in the head, but I don't think that is the majority of the people, especially on DU. I especially think that the OP was more about the comparison. I think that the shooter is going to go to prison for a long time, or be institutionalized (if he was responding to a psychotic break).

I do think that over all, the justice system is very biased against non-White people. I think that class intersects heavily in the scenario as well and this guy killed a police officer so that is not going to go well for him.

[Treefrog]

40. Is he white? His name is not one normally one would associate with a white man.

[samsingh]

41. given that he's alive i would be shocked if he wasn't white.

[Drunken Irishman]

43. His name is Ahmad Alyssa. I'd be shocked if he was white.

At least in the European sense.

[Drunken Irishman]

48. lol

Right because whenever a middle eastern person commits a violent act like this, they're always called white.

[BannonsLiver]

66. Somehow I don't think that's what the OP had in mind.

[NutmegYankee]

73. DI (and others) missed the joke.

I was poking fun at the stupid census designations and the long running complaint from people of Middle Eastern and North African descent about it.

[GusBob]

46. Is it Ayssa or Al-Issa ? seeing both

Its always best not to jump to conclusions in these heated things

[Drunken Irishman]

47. It's Al-Issa. I found his FB

[Mosby]

56. Any idea about his motivation?

[Drunken Irishman]

58. No. His FB is pretty typical.

Nothing stood out to me. It wasn't very active but the posts I saw weren't crazy.

From what it looks like is he's a Muslim born in Syria who came over as a refugee when he was a kid.

[Sapient Donkey]

62. He ran in wearing nothing but his boxers

His brother's claims of mental illness doesn't seem too far fetched.

[gldstwmn]

67. He was wearing body armor that at some point was removed.

[Sapient Donkey]

168. Really? I have heard that. I may be mistaken, but I thought a story I read said an unclothed man ran

in shooting. I could have easily misread something or read some incorrect information, though.


*Ahhh. Maybe the report I saw was from someone who saw him after. Maybe they were just talking about as they were leading him out.

By the time he was in custody, Alissa had been struck by a bullet that passed through his leg, the affidavit said. He had removed most of his clothing and was dressed only in shorts. Inside the store, he had left the gun, a tactical vest, a semiautomatic handgun and his bloodied clothing, the affidavit said.

[GusBob]

76. I think, looking for weapons, they stripped the suspect

[samsingh]

49. He's still classified as white and to the police he would be white from a distance

[Drunken Irishman]

50. Boy. Our middle eastern friends will be happy to know they're treated just like whites.

Now they can breathe a sigh of relief.

[samsingh]

51. the suspect is alive while a Black Man would have been shot or stangled

[Drunken Irishman]

57. So? You do realize things can happen independently?

Let's see how the suspect is treated now that we know he's a Muslim who was born in Syria and came to the US as a refugee. I bet we're not going to hear much about how he's white over the next few days lol

[uponit7771]

65. We'll see, they find out this guy is Muslim they wont take him hamburgers any more or some shit

[Drunken Irishman]

71. We'll see how DU approaches this since it doesn't fall into their shooters trope.

You know, that he's just an angry conservative white male.

[uponit7771]

75. Syrians are mostly Caucasian, his skin being white is what is what they see and everything

... after that seems to be just details.

You know, that he's just an angry conservative white male.

Or a white male that is mentally ill, that's another privilege that gets the benefit of the doubt while we get shot in the back.

[samsingh]

174. maybe i should have just said, the killer will not be 'black' and likely not 'asian'

[BannonsLiver]

94. I think we're seeing the comic absurdity

“Well Syrians are just as white as white people are!111”

[uponit7771]

108. Do you know many Syrians? By Census they consider THEMSELVES white skinned and they are

[jcmaine72]

139. I find it more sad than funny.

[Treefrog]

98. I'm pretty sure I know exactly how du will approach it. The many threads of outrage about the

shooting will disappear from the front page.

[BannonsLiver]

69. I know, right?

I’m sure that’s how they’ll remember the days, weeks and months after 9/11 when they didn’t face discrimination at all. Because hey, the census says so.

This thread should be bronzed for posterity. You never know when you’ll need a good laugh.

[GusBob]

72. It is so common, in these situations, for knee jerk reactions

Now it could flip to Syrian&immigrant haters.

[BannonsLiver]

74. Nobody does knee jerk like we do here.

[GusBob]

77. Ya I learned along time ago, wait

dont speculate

[Steelrolled]

140. But in our case it is the left knee that jerks

That's the good one.

[BannonsLiver]

143. If you say so

Sometimes only the policy goals are different.

[Steelrolled]

147. It was a joke.

Politics and hypocrisy go hand-in-hand.

[Treefrog]

96. And now the pretzeling begins.

You’re spot on in seeing this.

[BannonsLiver]

80. This thread has aged like a shrimp cocktail sitting outside on a 100 degree day

[Treefrog]

101. Funny over the years I lurked here that I noticed this propensity of du to immediately blame a

Trumper or other white supremacist type. So many times the script was flipped and miraculously all the threads on whatever the crime was just suddenly disappear. Now I finally get to comment in one of these. It didn’t take long for one to show up.

[BannonsLiver]

106. This one should have been deleted hours ago

And then you have these desperate attempts to make a Syrian into a white person which I somehow doubt has been the experience of Syrian immigrants living in the US, particularly in the days after 9/11.

It’s really pitiful to watch people twist themselves into knots to prop up a false premise that was introduced in the OP.

[Treefrog]

111. It's really breathtaking. I wish I were that limber! I'd be a hit in yoga class!

[sarisataka]

121. Well about 90 minutes ago

it seemed 80% of threads were about the shooting. Now there are three in the top half of the front page and over 30 have dropped to page 2.

Not that it proves anything but it is interesting that the only major news was the release of the identity of the shooter.

[Treefrog]

135. Yes, I'm sadly not surprised. BY tomorrow, I'll probably have to search for this thread.

Not that I think I’ll bother anyway.

[twodogsbarking]

42. Americans are the best at killing.

Sad, just sad.

[Aerator]

44. That guy in the photo looks a lot older than the 21 year old they identified .

[Celerity]

63. premature balding

[WestofDenver]

59. And in Texas...

A fellow held a convoy of national guard delivering vaccine at gunpoint and was also arrested alive.

[Celerity]

60. he wasn't white, his name is Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa

https://www.thedailybeast.com/boulder-colorado-cops-identify-king-soopers-supermarket-massacre-suspect-as-ahmad-alissa

[uponit7771]

68. He's Syrian IINM, they're mostly Caucasian he's technically white even though US culture doesn't

... recognize people who have Asian names as white

[Celerity]

81. That is completely counterfactual. In the US, UK, Sweden, and all other nations he is not going

to be considered 'white', especially in the US (which is what we are dealing with) sense.

You are stretching the concept of 'whiteness' FAR past its remotely credible definitions and boundaries, especially in terms of social constructs and racism in the US.

He's Syrian IINM, they're mostly Caucasian he's technically white

Syrians (Arabic: سوريون?, Sūriyyūn), also known as the Syrian people (Arabic: الشعب السوري?, ALA-LC: al-sha‘ab al-Sūrī; Syriac: ܣܘܪܝܝܢ? ), are the majority inhabitants of Syria and share common Levantine Semitic roots. The cultural and linguistic heritage of the Syrian people is a blend of both indigenous elements and the foreign cultures that have come to inhabit the region of Syria and govern its people over the course of thousands of years. The mother tongue of most Syrians is Levantine Arabic, which came to replace the former mother tongue, Aramaic, in the aftermath of the Muslim conquest of the Levant in the 7th century.

[uponit7771]

82. I disagree, not only is the shooter text book Caucasian his skin color is white and he was treated

... humanely by the Boulder PD which wasn't extended to some blacks not just long ago.

This guy is considered white, treated white by the Boulder police and TECHINICALLY is white at the time of arrest ... those are facts without dispute.

[Celerity]

91. you are just way off, sorry, you are misrepresenting reality to fit your narrative

My sister (half Bajan, with an African/Lebanese Arab/Chinese/Scots/Sephardic Portuguese Jewish admixture on that side) has skin somewhat as naturally pale as my wife (pure Swede) and no one is ever going to call my sister 'white'. When my wife has a deep deep tan, there have been times when she is darker than even I am (I am the darkest in my nuclear family), and there isn't a chance in hell I am going to be called 'white'.

[uponit7771]

103. Syrians in the US are white by Census, facts matter (link).

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-census-middle-east-north-africa-race/

Most check ‘white’
A Times analysis found that more than 80% of individuals of Southwest Asian, Middle Eastern or North African descent called themselves white in past census surveys.

Notice 96% of Syrians say they're white in the graph

[Celerity]

109. Ask 1000 Syrians in the US if they think they are beneficiaries of white privilege, and if they get

the benefit of the doubt from the coppers and the actual white populace in general.

You are not going to like the answer.

You are choosing an absurd hill to die upon.

[uponit7771]

118. More irrelevant, Syrians consider themselves white and are called white by census and this

... guy was treated like he was white by a PD that murdered a 130 lb black guy by choking him nearly to death, who begged for his life then they laughed at him afterwards.

Of course after the pd finds out his name and possible religion they're going to treat him different, if this is your point I agree 100%

But this murderous shooter looked white and was called such by the PD

[Celerity]

125. I have no idea why you are trying to whitewash US anti-middle eastern racism, and toss Syrians

into the white privileged category.

Very problematic, besides the obvious on-its-face falsity.

[Treefrog]

132. Oh, I have a good idea why. Kinda sad in a way.

I wonder how this thread would have gone if we had immediately known he was a Syrian immigrant. Quite differently I think.

[Glaisne]

61. I guess

he was having a bad day.

[BannonsLiver]

64. Yeah, apparently that courtesy extends to white guys named...Ahmad

What a tiny club that must be.

[uponit7771]

70. Nah, its mostly about skin color (pic) but get your point once they find out him might be Muslim

... then he doesn't get hamburgers taken to him any longer

[iluvtennis]

78. While the police killed [black]Elijah McClain while he apologized for not doing anything wrong

Alex Cole@acnewsitics
A white man walked into a grocery store in Boulder, killed 10 people, and was apprehended by the police and walked out of the building completely unharmed.

Right down the street, police killed Elijah McClain while he apologized for not doing anything wrong.

Link to tweet

?s=20

[uponit7771]

83. Yep, Syrians are mostly Caucasian and so is the shooters skin color which is what some police ...

... mostly look at.

Now that they know he's Asian I wonder if Boulder will bring this guy anymore hamburgers

[BannonsLiver]

85. That's some pretty solid spin

I’m sure some might even be convinced.

[uponit7771]

88. facts matter

[BannonsLiver]

93. Indeed

Let me know when you contribute some to the thread.

I’d bet most Syrians in the US have had a rather different experience than what you claim, that they’re basically just like white people and are treated as such.

[Celerity]

100. +1000

[uponit7771]

104. FACT NOT IN DISPUTE: Syrians are white by US Census. Your ad homs and "bets" aren't facts

[friendly_iconoclast]

124. Also not in dispute: A studious eliding of how "unwhite" Syriac-Americans were recently

[Treefrog]

105. Oh boy, you're really trying here aren't you?

[uponit7771]

107. To highlight some LEOs treat people different based on skin color !? Fuck yes! Are you claiming

... they don't?!

I'd like some of you guys who are intimating this shooters skin color doesn't matter in the way he was initially treated ... speak the fuck up and let people know what you really think.

Some childish word play bullshit is boring

[Treefrog]

110. Ok, it's ok. It didn't turn out like you and some others expected. It's ok, all ok.

How do you feel about the cop who died running to help people? Do you think he knew what color the shooter was? Do you think he cared? I’d truly love to be a fly on the wall to see some of these ACAB types in an active shooting situation. I bet most would be the first running to the cops. Generalizations are really lazy and not very liberal either.

[uponit7771]

114. So yeah, figured you wouldn't answer the simple question I asked. whatever

[Treefrog]

117. I'm sorry, but when people start with personal insults, it's obvious that either a) they've lost the

plot in some way, or b) they’re too upset to carry on in a regular conversation. I do hope your day gets better. Cheers!

[uponit7771]

119. Please highlight where I proffered insults in any way? If you can't consider answering the

... question I asked in my reply to you up this child thread.

Thx in advance.

[Treefrog]

120. I recommend a cup of tea. It works wonders.

[GusBob]

112. Some might say he "looks just like a Muslim terrorist"

Not me, but it could be said.

Now, in fact, it will very likely be said.

[uponit7771]

116. +1, probably now but at the point of arrest they most likely thought he was white and called him suc

... such not just because that's his ethnicity by census but that's the way he looks.

After the text book horror movie way Elijah McClain was treated the Boulder crew (save the dead LEO) I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt.

[Celerity]

127. 'they most likely thought he was white'

prove it

Big claims require big evidence.

Also, your claim that a US Census categorisation is factually determinant of social racial constructs is pretty much devoid of actual reality. It betrays a lack of understanding of concept of 'othering'.

You seem to have very little experience with people from the Middle East and how they view themselves and how they are treated inside a white European dominated and delineated power structure.

[uponit7771]

128. "Shooter was a white male ...."?!?! What point are you trying to make?

[Celerity]

129. have fun digging the hole deeper, I am done

[uponit7771]

130. Another dodge, they're going around these days, 🙄🙄🙄

[Treefrog]

133. Seriously fella, give it a rest for awhile. Your attempts to make a Syrian refugee into a privileged

white man aren’t convincing anyone that I can see. I doubt this guy led the life of a privileged white kid while growing up.

[uponit7771]

151. lol, he IS a white man ... omfg. Your "views" of him doesn't change that

[Celerity]

138. I didn't 'dodge' anything, I fully expressed why I think you are completely wrong 🙄🙄🙄

Go to Södertälje, here in Sweden, just south of Stockholm and ask thousands of Syrians/Syriacs/Assyrians how 'white' they feel, ask them about their white privilege, how they are given the benefits of 'whiteness'. They will laugh in your face.

Easier ask:

Ask Jimmy Durmaz (Assyrian who is a native born Swede, whose parents were from northeastern Syria, the Al-Hasakah Governorate) a Swedish National Football team 2018 World Cup player, about how he is racially white and thus white privileged.


Sweden squad rally behind midfielder Jimmy Durmaz after racial abuse online

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jun/24/sweden-jimmy-durmaz-racial-abuse-germany-free-kick



The Sweden midfielder Jimmy Durmaz has delivered a powerful message against racism after being targeted on social media for giving away the free-kick that led to Germany’s 95th-minute winner in Sochi on Saturday. Durmaz, who came on in the 74th minute, fouled Timo Werner on the edge of the area and Toni Kroos scored from the set piece to give Germany a 2-1 victory.

On Sunday, as the Sweden squad gathered for training, the coach Janne Andersson turned to the media to say that they would start the session by addressing the “completely unacceptable” post-match developments. He explained that the whole squad had lined up behind Durmaz to underline that everyone was backing the player.

Durmaz, who was born in Sweden to Assyrian parents, then read a statement which said: “I would just like to say a few things regarding what happened after the game yesterday. I am a footballer at the highest level so I have to accept that I am criticised for what I do on the pitch. That’s part of the job – and I am always willing to accept that. But there are limits and that limit was passed yesterday.

“When someone threatens me, when they call me darkie, bloody Arab, terrorist, Taliban … then that limit has been passed. And what is even worse, when they go after my family and my children and threaten them … who the hell does that kind of thing?”

[LisaL]

102. He wasn't completely unharmed.

He clearly had a bleeding leg. My guess, shot in the leg.

[BobTheSubgenius]

86. A good thing for that shooter that he wasn't just some random motorist.

Could have gotten pulled over on some flimsy excuse, and then where would he be?

I can't believe that some, even many, cops can show their faces in public. Maybe not for something they've done, or neglected to do, but the one sitting next to him, or the 2, 3...half dozen he sees every morning at roll call.

It's a tough job, but I can't believe that makes it any easier. Why do the good ones put up with it?

[uponit7771]

89. +1, my understanding lack of top leadership who don't care about or look at bad actors records ...

... and are too desperate to get anyone to do the job or something.

Then, there's no good system of making sure the assholes don't stay on the street

[BobTheSubgenius]

123. I think there is a certain amount of "gotta keep up the dept's good name" going on, as well.

The tighter the ship appears to be run, the more credit goes to the skipper.

[taxi]

97. September 8, 2014 - King Soopers, Kroger Stores Targeted for Gun Policies by Moms Group

WTF?

King Soopers, Kroger Stores Targeted for Gun Policies by Moms Group

In May, we told you about Chipotle stores announcing a no-guns policy after being targeted by a petition from Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America. The organization has had similar success with a number of other national chains. But Kroger, the parent company of King Soopers and City Market stores in Colorado, is resisting a petition about its policy -- a decision that's garnering more attention, as witnessed by a lengthy feature this morning on NPR.

edit:

Included below are a number of photos and posts related to this last statement. But here's one example: As the Moms Demand Action release notes, Chipotle, as well as Target, Sonic, Chili's and Jack in the Box, issued gun bans in the wake of petitions from the group. But Kroger hasn't blinked thus far. The company isn't talking at this point, but reps previously issued a statement that reads in part: "We don't want to put our associates in a position of having to confront a customer who is legally carrying a gun. That is why our long-standing policy on this issue is to follow state and local laws and to ask customers to be respectful of others while shopping." Open Carry Texas, whose members have posed for photos with weapons at a number of businesses subsequently targeted by Moms Demand Action, is ridiculing the petition via memes like this one, which references the support of former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg: Meanwhile, the Moms Demand Action effort is gaining more attention from the media, including NPR. We've included that piece here.

https://www.westword.com/news/photos-king-soopers-kroger-stores-targeted-for-gun-policies-by-moms-group-5824852

[jcmaine72]

126. Not exactly the kind of white male we were expecting, eh?

I guess we're beyond the point as a society where a horrific massacre like this is enough to elicit sufficient amounts of sadness and anger. It's practically a prerequisite these days for race to somehow be injected into the tragedy du jour as well, even when not applicable and before we have any facts at our disposal.

And guess what? Now RW'ers are making the same asinine statements about Muslims.

I wish we were better than this as a nation, but I guess this is just part of the new normal.

[W_HAMILTON]

142. The killer is a white male; what kind of white male were YOU expecting?

I went back and reread everything the OP wrote and unless s/he edited it, nothing s/he said was wrong.

another white male mass killer arrested alive by the police

Amazing how the police can arrest white males, who were heavily armed and just killed many people, alive. Yet an unarmed black man minding his own business is killed by many well armed police - over and over again.

Looks pretty damn accurate to me.

[Treefrog]

150. He's a Syrian immigrant. What people are commenting on is that had people known he was not a

white American, this thread would have been very different. And I’ll wager you already knew that.

[W_HAMILTON]

157. The OP did not state anything about where the man was from or whether he was an immigrant or not.

The OP said that the shooter was a white male, which he is.

[Treefrog]

158. Where did I say the op said anything different? You sure you read my post?

Feel free to point it out.

[W_HAMILTON]

161. I think it is you that need to follow the conversation more closely.

Now, if you agree that the shooter was a white male, just as the OP said, which means everything the OP said is accurate, then there is nothing more to say here.

[brooklynite]

131. Sorry, this frequently rehashed comparison doesn't work

YES, most people killed by Police during arrests are minorities.

NO, most minorities arrested by Police are not killed.

It also fails because it equates Police behavior in all jurisdictions as being equivalent.

[Dial H For Hero]

134. Um....not so much.....

[W_HAMILTON]

144. "Not so much" to what exactly?

Here is the OP's message:

another white male mass killer arrested alive by the police

Amazing how the police can arrest white males, who were heavily armed and just killed many people, alive. Yet an unarmed black man minding his own business is killed by many well armed police - over and over again.

It's all accurate.

What race do you think the killer is?

[Dial H For Hero]

152. Is he not Syrian?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Syria#Race_and_ethnicity

On 1 January 2011, the number of residents of Syria was 24 million, distributed over the 14 governorates. Arabs represent 80-85% of the population, with the rest being a mixture of many ethnic and religious sects, as shown in the table below:

[W_HAMILTON]

159. Neither Syrian nor Arab is a race.

Syrians can be black, just like Arabs can be black. Syrian is a nationality and Arab is an ethnicity.

The shooter is a white male, just as the OP said.

[Steelrolled]

137. Seeing the title, I knew this thread would be a fascinating

display of how stereotypes run deep at du. I was not disappointed, and actually got a bonus on the dissertation on the whiteness of Syrians. This skin color classification thing seems to be more complicated than I ever imagined. Is there an app for that?

[WarGamer]

145. So Middle Easterners are white now? I need to keep up with the lingo.

I can't help but think that some were expecting Bubba from Texas and they got Ahmad from Syria.

[BannonsLiver]

153. It's embarrassing this thread hasn't been self deleted.

Just a bizarre, uninformed attempt at trying too hard.

[TheProle]

154. It really is.

[FrankBooth]

160. And the absolute refusal to admit an obvious, and somewhat justified mistake

And then double down ferociously and even attack the credibility of anyone who might disagree, based on some semantic definition of whiteness that on its face is total horseshit. Sounds like the definition of gaslighting, and behavior we witnessed on a daily basis for the last 5 years.

Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?

[jcmaine72]

163. The worst part is always the doubling down that now inevitably occurs following eff-ups like this

He's white because some Syrian migrants in Sweden "feel white". Jeez. Anything to shoehorn a tragedy into a ready-made narrative is grist, I suppose.

I mean, this tragedy obviously wasn't horrific enough. What we really need is to throw race into the equation and keep it front and center somehow even after it's discovered not to be factor because...reasons.

[W_HAMILTON]

162. "Middle Eastern" isn't a race.

Middle Easterners can be white, black, etc. As our Census notes:

White:

The category “White” includes all individuals who identify with one or more nationalities or ethnic groups originating in Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. Examples of these groups include, but are not limited to, German, Irish, English, Italian, Lebanese, Egyptian, Polish, French, Iranian, Slavic, Cajun, and Chaldean.

Taken from: https://2020census.gov/en/about-questions/2020-census-questions-race.html

The OP claimed it was a white male shooter and s/he got a white male shooter.

[ChazII]

166. +1 n/t

[pnwmom]

167. Named Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa, and from Syria. nt

[samsingh]

169. he is not a black or asian man.

they managed to arrest him alive.

[Treefrog]

176. Yesterday they took Rico Marley alive in Atlanta. A black man. Armed with six guns.

In a supermarket.

[samsingh]

178. again - it's not that it never happens