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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWatching stuck cargo ship Ever Given on vesselfinder.com, blocking the Suez Canal.
Tracking Ever Given on vesselfinder.comIt currently appears to be surrounded by seven tugs, and has been that way now for several hours. When it moves you should see it immediately on the vesselfinder.com website.
elleng
(130,895 posts)Wasn't someone trying to dig out something at the Bow end?
mitch96
(13,895 posts)The Suez has 12% of the world trade so this is gonna hurt a bit.. Mostly Yurp...
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littlemissmartypants
(22,655 posts)A quick zoom back makes for an astounding image.
Percy
(721 posts)Thanks for suggesting it -- it's shocking actually how many ships are out there.
VarryOn
(2,343 posts)This type of situation doesn't help. I'm in the biz, and most people have no idea how bad things are, especially with railroads and trucking companies. Railroads are really short on labor and can barely handle the volume. We're in March, and current volumes are at peak ((Oct-Dec)) volumes. TheNorthAmerican supply chain is stressed.
MissB
(15,807 posts)Ive known for a couple of months, as I wait for some imported goods that are stuck in a west coast port. Its no big deal for me- some garden beds from Australia- but its a bit frustrating for the seller that keeps reassuring his customers (like me) that we will get our goods...eventually.
VarryOn
(2,343 posts)Regarding their poor service, and both are saying they cannot get enough hires....particularly in Chicago. A Canadian railroad advised customers today that in the West that customers should expect extraordinary delays. A lot of freight is needing moved in North America, and it can't be moved. Just notice gaps in the shelves of your local grocery store, Walmart, or Target. It's not dire yet, but certainly not good.
elleng
(130,895 posts)UP and BNSF?
VarryOn
(2,343 posts)one of the Eastern Rails. But, BNSF and UP have had their own issues of late. Any railroad coming into Chicago is stuggling with its terminals there, and not being able to hire enough people is a large reason. They're good-paying jobs, but it takes time to train. They may have to up the wages.
Six months ago, it was COVID impacting operations. Now, it's not so much. Except CN made an announcement on Monday they had significant employees out due to COVID in the prairies, and that it would impact operations. That will have ripple effects all over the network.
The rail network just cant seem to catch a break these days! And it needs one.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,342 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)in general whenever you feel it'd be good for people to have a better understanding. Or any understanding at all.
VarryOn
(2,343 posts)Inventories are down, and freight is trying to get to warehouses and shelves. Anecdotally, I'v heard of a couple major shippers (both whose products you likely use) coming to my company's Pricing Department volutarily offering > 10% rate increases over the next six months just so they can ensure they have capacity to move their freight.
This morning's report shows that three of the 'Big Four' railroads have either 'shut the gate' (can't bring in loads) at Southern Cal and Chicago, or they have "restricted' (limited amount that may come in) volume depending on wherer it's headed. These actions used to be very rare, but not so, since about January.
There is an incredible amount of freight trying to move in North America right now. The network is still trying to recover from February's winter weather. And BNSF has had a couple derailments lately, impacting main lines.
And Saturday night Canadian Pacific and Kansas City Southern announced they plan to merge, with CP becoming the successor. Railroad mergers always cause the other railroads to start wargaming. No doubt, there will be other chips to fall at some point.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)don't even know their names. I just pulled up maps of the merging RRs and Union Pacific and CSX. Can't begin to imagine all it suggests, but it's easy to see that a merger linking Canadian rail through the Central US into Mexico could reconfigure the business map for all of them.
Fortunately for us, we're getting old, already built our house, overfilled it with accumulations, are losing our eyesight so furniture etc always looks nice, only buy new electronics when our kids insist anyway. Just need to make sure we're stocked up on medications.
See the poor Ever Given's still there.
VarryOn
(2,343 posts)It makes sense for their two networks to link up since there's hardly any overlap. That likely wouldnt have been possible if Biden hadnt killed the pipeline. Now, it can go by rail down to the Gulf and probably employ more people.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Hadn't considered getting Canadian oil to the gulf, but would that be less expensive because of the merger?
VarryOn
(2,343 posts)Might reduce the cost some. Id be more concerned on potential impacts. Trains do occasionally leave the tracks! Hopefully both railroads have kept up their infrastructure.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Treefrog
(4,170 posts)phylny
(8,380 posts)Treefrog
(4,170 posts)During my younger days, I enjoyed marijuana, but never would use if I knew I was going to be drug tested. Its wonderful to no longer worry about that lol.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)with max zoom out; dragging it to see the Pacific adds in a bunch of fishing vessels.
Traffic piling up at Suez. A ship captain friend is one of those darts in the eastern Med. First time I wished I knew the name of the current one he's in charge of, another container ship.
Thanks, Towlie, also.
littlemissmartypants
(22,655 posts)GP6971
(31,146 posts)CoopersDad
(2,193 posts)drray23
(7,627 posts)DallasNE
(7,403 posts)And could some of the cargo be loaded on an empty ship so the ship would displace less water and float out of danger. The tugs would still be needed to position the ship so it could sail out of danger.
elleng
(130,895 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,655 posts)Ace Rothstein
(3,161 posts)That's the only thing I can see working.
taxi
(1,896 posts)For safety they wouldn't be able to stack with a helicopter, no less load them on another vessel. They're going to need quite a large lot for that many. I imagine that divers will have to check the hull for damages; the greater any damage the fewer containers remaining onboard.
ETA- another potential problem is the water quality in the lock. If the water is fouled by discharge from bilges, the ship's collective holding tanks, oils or other contaminants then the lock cannot be opened without a spill cleanup.
taxi
(1,896 posts)Bloomberg (today)
Another option mooted for this lightering process was to deploy powerful helicopters that could take off the boxes each one potentially holding up to 22 tons of cargo. They would be hugely expensive, costing an upfront fee and an hourly rate that can get up to $20,000, according to Joseph Farrell III, director of business development at Resolve Marine, a company that offers salvage services. He declined to comment about Ever Given specifically.
Air lifting could only be performed by a special type of aircraft called sky-crane helicopters that are able to haul loads of 25,000 pounds (about 12.5 tons), according to Nick Sloane, the salvage master responsible for re-floating the Costa Concordia, which capsized off Italy in 2012.
It is concerning that they havent gotten her out yet, said Alan Murphy, CEO of Sea-Intelligence. If theres news that the hull has been breached, or they need to evacuate the boxes to get her free, then its a big-time problem.
https://gcaptain.com/smit-start-suez-box-removal/
Ace Rothstein
(3,161 posts)taxi
(1,896 posts)If they worked through lunch and can do 2 containers an hour...
A million a week per shift offloads 20, times a thousand shifts... yea, ouch!
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)A crane ship is exactly what I had in mind. That big I was guessing it had to be a container ship. I did miss on tugging it out at high .tide
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,655 posts)monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,655 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)The summary informaiton says "underway" at 0 knots. Still hanging out at about a 45 degree angle from the direction it needs to be in order to move.
littlemissmartypants
(22,655 posts)monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,655 posts)Towlie
(5,324 posts)
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monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)Demovictory9
(32,454 posts)tanyev
(42,552 posts)Goodheart
(5,321 posts)Just build another canal already.
Takket
(21,563 posts)Hong Kong Cavalier
(4,572 posts)Towlie
(5,324 posts)
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VGNonly
(7,488 posts)about a quarter of a mile.
Other comparisons-
Longest tanker ever (Seawise Giant) 1503'.
Longest aircraft carrier (The Enterprise) 1120'.
The Titanic 882'.
The Edmund Fitzgerald 729'.
GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)Because it's blocking everything.
RussBLib
(9,008 posts)when the words "EVERGREEN" are printed in HUGE letters on the side?
This is about the 50th time I have seen that.
Towlie
(5,324 posts)
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The name of the ship blocking the Suez Canal is the 'Ever Given,' not the 'Evergreen'
The ship is owned by the Evergreen Marine Corp, a Taiwanese container transportation and shipping company that owns 39 shipping vessels. Of its large fleet of ships, 20 are named in the format of "Ever" + [a word that begins with a G]. Other ships owned by Evergreen Marine include the "Ever Goods," "Ever Gaining," and the "Ever Giant."
However, they may decide to rename Ever Given after it's freed:
roamer65
(36,745 posts)It was blocked for EIGHT YEARS after the 1967 Six-Day war.