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Towlie

(5,324 posts)
Tue Mar 23, 2021, 11:06 PM Mar 2021

Watching stuck cargo ship Ever Given on vesselfinder.com, blocking the Suez Canal.

Tracking Ever Given on vesselfinder.com



It currently appears to be surrounded by seven tugs, and has been that way now for several hours. When it moves you should see it immediately on the vesselfinder.com website.
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Watching stuck cargo ship Ever Given on vesselfinder.com, blocking the Suez Canal. (Original Post) Towlie Mar 2021 OP
Thanks, let us know. elleng Mar 2021 #1
The BBC had pic's of the container ship with the bow firmly into the sand. mitch96 Mar 2021 #35
Terrible. That's going to mess with lots of commerce. littlemissmartypants Mar 2021 #2
It really does! Percy Mar 2021 #5
The US supply chain is quite clogged as it is... VarryOn Mar 2021 #6
I think folks are becoming more aware. MissB Mar 2021 #8
I've been on Teams meetings with two major railroads this week... VarryOn Mar 2021 #9
Interesting. elleng Mar 2021 #11
No, a Canadian railroad that comes well south of the the US/Can border and... VarryOn Mar 2021 #30
There will be ripple effects from covid, and covid denial, for a while. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2021 #48
Thanks for the info, VarryOn. Would love to hear more on these issues Hortensis Mar 2021 #13
The North American rail network, right now, is working at peak seaon (Oct-Dec) levels.... VarryOn Mar 2021 #32
Wonder if all this will spark interest in...logistics and other careers, Hortensis Mar 2021 #34
I think the CP KCS merger will be good... VarryOn Mar 2021 #38
I noticed the lack of overlap, more like connecting train cars. :) Hortensis Mar 2021 #39
There's likely more efficiencies to be gained... VarryOn Mar 2021 #42
Yes, that did come to mind also... :) Hortensis Mar 2021 #46
Why can't they hire enough people? Surely people need work? Treefrog Mar 2021 #31
Many people cannot pass drug screening. phylny Mar 2021 #33
Well, that's kind of scary that people need drugs more than work. Treefrog Mar 2021 #36
That is interesting, thanks, including the multi-continent view Hortensis Mar 2021 #14
They are incredible behemoths, aren't they? littlemissmartypants Mar 2021 #17
More info here... GP6971 Mar 2021 #3
Sure looks like they may have overstacked those containers CoopersDad Mar 2021 #4
This is standard for all container ships.nt. drray23 Mar 2021 #7
What Kind Of Cargo Does It Have DallasNE Mar 2021 #10
How could anything be off-loaded there, now? elleng Mar 2021 #12
Actually that is one of the solutions being discussed. Though I agree, it won't be easy. ❤ littlemissmartypants Mar 2021 #18
Helicopter? Ace Rothstein Mar 2021 #28
Yeah, one container at a time taxi Mar 2021 #41
Well! Lookie here: taxi Mar 2021 #52
That price tag. Ouch! Ace Rothstein Mar 2021 #53
My math isn't so good... $20,000 / hour taxi Mar 2021 #55
Um, It Looks Like I Was Right DallasNE Mar 2021 #47
just looked up & under way according to vesslfinders site monkeyman1 Mar 2021 #15
I just checked and she's still stuck. Do you have a link? eom littlemissmartypants Mar 2021 #16
ya , have to back & check-hang loose a few monkeyman1 Mar 2021 #19
OK, thanks! I'm obsessed with it now... littlemissmartypants Mar 2021 #20
Still stuck. Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #24
Wow, not looking good at all! ❤ littlemissmartypants Mar 2021 #25
ever given -------- vesselfinder.com monkeyman1 Mar 2021 #21
❤ nt littlemissmartypants Mar 2021 #23
It has always showed "under way" even while it was stuck. I think that just means not in port. Towlie Mar 2021 #45
find it ? monkeyman1 Mar 2021 #22
picture of the Evergreen Demovictory9 Mar 2021 #26
Ever Grounded. tanyev Mar 2021 #27
Oh, ffs Goodheart Mar 2021 #29
Have they tried turning the canal off and turning it back on? Takket Mar 2021 #37
Austin Powers couldn't have piloted that ship any worse... Hong Kong Cavalier Mar 2021 #40
Don't worry, they're sending out a guy in a rowboat to pull the ship loose. Towlie Mar 2021 #43
1312' long VGNonly Mar 2021 #44
I heard that they're going to change the name to the McConnell GoneOffShore Mar 2021 #49
why do people keep calling it "Evergiven"? RussBLib Mar 2021 #50
Some of the other ships owned by Evergreen include "Ever Goods", "Ever Gaining", and Ever Giant". Towlie Mar 2021 #51
Nothing like 1967-1975 so far. roamer65 Mar 2021 #54

mitch96

(13,895 posts)
35. The BBC had pic's of the container ship with the bow firmly into the sand.
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 11:28 AM
Mar 2021

The Suez has 12% of the world trade so this is gonna hurt a bit.. Mostly Yurp...
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VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
6. The US supply chain is quite clogged as it is...
Tue Mar 23, 2021, 11:36 PM
Mar 2021

This type of situation doesn't help. I'm in the biz, and most people have no idea how bad things are, especially with railroads and trucking companies. Railroads are really short on labor and can barely handle the volume. We're in March, and current volumes are at peak ((Oct-Dec)) volumes. TheNorthAmerican supply chain is stressed.

MissB

(15,807 posts)
8. I think folks are becoming more aware.
Tue Mar 23, 2021, 11:59 PM
Mar 2021

I’ve known for a couple of months, as I wait for some imported goods that are stuck in a west coast port. It’s no big deal for me- some garden beds from Australia- but it’s a bit frustrating for the seller that keeps reassuring his customers (like me) that we will get our goods...eventually.

 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
9. I've been on Teams meetings with two major railroads this week...
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 12:07 AM
Mar 2021

Regarding their poor service, and both are saying they cannot get enough hires....particularly in Chicago. A Canadian railroad advised customers today that in the West that customers should expect extraordinary delays. A lot of freight is needing moved in North America, and it can't be moved. Just notice gaps in the shelves of your local grocery store, Walmart, or Target. It's not dire yet, but certainly not good.

 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
30. No, a Canadian railroad that comes well south of the the US/Can border and...
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 09:15 AM
Mar 2021

one of the Eastern Rails. But, BNSF and UP have had their own issues of late. Any railroad coming into Chicago is stuggling with its terminals there, and not being able to hire enough people is a large reason. They're good-paying jobs, but it takes time to train. They may have to up the wages.

Six months ago, it was COVID impacting operations. Now, it's not so much. Except CN made an announcement on Monday they had significant employees out due to COVID in the prairies, and that it would impact operations. That will have ripple effects all over the network.

The rail network just cant seem to catch a break these days! And it needs one.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. Thanks for the info, VarryOn. Would love to hear more on these issues
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 01:53 AM
Mar 2021

in general whenever you feel it'd be good for people to have a better understanding. Or any understanding at all.

 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
32. The North American rail network, right now, is working at peak seaon (Oct-Dec) levels....
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 09:26 AM
Mar 2021

Inventories are down, and freight is trying to get to warehouses and shelves. Anecdotally, I'v heard of a couple major shippers (both whose products you likely use) coming to my company's Pricing Department volutarily offering > 10% rate increases over the next six months just so they can ensure they have capacity to move their freight.

This morning's report shows that three of the 'Big Four' railroads have either 'shut the gate' (can't bring in loads) at Southern Cal and Chicago, or they have "restricted' (limited amount that may come in) volume depending on wherer it's headed. These actions used to be very rare, but not so, since about January.

There is an incredible amount of freight trying to move in North America right now. The network is still trying to recover from February's winter weather. And BNSF has had a couple derailments lately, impacting main lines.

And Saturday night Canadian Pacific and Kansas City Southern announced they plan to merge, with CP becoming the successor. Railroad mergers always cause the other railroads to start wargaming. No doubt, there will be other chips to fall at some point.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
34. Wonder if all this will spark interest in...logistics and other careers,
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 11:25 AM
Mar 2021

don't even know their names. I just pulled up maps of the merging RRs and Union Pacific and CSX. Can't begin to imagine all it suggests, but it's easy to see that a merger linking Canadian rail through the Central US into Mexico could reconfigure the business map for all of them.

Fortunately for us, we're getting old, already built our house, overfilled it with accumulations, are losing our eyesight so furniture etc always looks nice, only buy new electronics when our kids insist anyway. Just need to make sure we're stocked up on medications.

See the poor Ever Given's still there.

 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
38. I think the CP KCS merger will be good...
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 12:38 PM
Mar 2021

It makes sense for their two networks to link up since there's hardly any overlap. That likely wouldnt have been possible if Biden hadnt killed the pipeline. Now, it can go by rail down to the Gulf and probably employ more people.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
39. I noticed the lack of overlap, more like connecting train cars. :)
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 12:49 PM
Mar 2021

Hadn't considered getting Canadian oil to the gulf, but would that be less expensive because of the merger?

 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
42. There's likely more efficiencies to be gained...
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 01:58 PM
Mar 2021

Might reduce the cost some. I’d be more concerned on potential impacts. Trains do occasionally leave the tracks! Hopefully both railroads have kept up their infrastructure.

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
36. Well, that's kind of scary that people need drugs more than work.
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 12:07 PM
Mar 2021

During my younger days, I enjoyed marijuana, but never would use if I knew I was going to be drug tested. It’s wonderful to no longer worry about that lol.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. That is interesting, thanks, including the multi-continent view
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 02:02 AM
Mar 2021

with max zoom out; dragging it to see the Pacific adds in a bunch of fishing vessels.

Traffic piling up at Suez. A ship captain friend is one of those darts in the eastern Med. First time I wished I knew the name of the current one he's in charge of, another container ship.

Thanks, Towlie, also.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
10. What Kind Of Cargo Does It Have
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 01:39 AM
Mar 2021

And could some of the cargo be loaded on an empty ship so the ship would displace less water and float out of danger. The tugs would still be needed to position the ship so it could sail out of danger.

taxi

(1,896 posts)
41. Yeah, one container at a time
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 01:01 PM
Mar 2021

For safety they wouldn't be able to stack with a helicopter, no less load them on another vessel. They're going to need quite a large lot for that many. I imagine that divers will have to check the hull for damages; the greater any damage the fewer containers remaining onboard.

ETA- another potential problem is the water quality in the lock. If the water is fouled by discharge from bilges, the ship's collective holding tanks, oils or other contaminants then the lock cannot be opened without a spill cleanup.

taxi

(1,896 posts)
52. Well! Lookie here:
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:06 PM
Mar 2021

Bloomberg (today)

Helicopter Shipping Container Lightering
Another option mooted for this lightering process was to deploy powerful helicopters that could take off the boxes — each one potentially holding up to 22 tons of cargo. They would be hugely expensive, costing an upfront fee and an hourly rate that can get up to $20,000, according to Joseph Farrell III, director of business development at Resolve Marine, a company that offers salvage services. He declined to comment about Ever Given specifically.

Air lifting could only be performed by a special type of aircraft called sky-crane helicopters that are able to haul loads of 25,000 pounds (about 12.5 tons), according to Nick Sloane, the salvage master responsible for re-floating the Costa Concordia, which capsized off Italy in 2012.

“It is concerning that they haven’t gotten her out yet,” said Alan Murphy, CEO of Sea-Intelligence. “If there’s news that the hull has been breached, or they need to evacuate the boxes to get her free, then it’s a big-time problem.”

https://gcaptain.com/smit-start-suez-box-removal/

taxi

(1,896 posts)
55. My math isn't so good... $20,000 / hour
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:28 PM
Mar 2021

If they worked through lunch and can do 2 containers an hour...
A million a week per shift offloads 20, times a thousand shifts... yea, ouch!

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
47. Um, It Looks Like I Was Right
Fri Mar 26, 2021, 11:05 PM
Mar 2021

A crane ship is exactly what I had in mind. That big I was guessing it had to be a container ship. I did miss on tugging it out at high .tide

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
24. Still stuck.
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 03:49 AM
Mar 2021

The summary informaiton says "underway" at 0 knots. Still hanging out at about a 45 degree angle from the direction it needs to be in order to move.

Towlie

(5,324 posts)
45. It has always showed "under way" even while it was stuck. I think that just means not in port.
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 02:10 PM
Mar 2021

 
?

VGNonly

(7,488 posts)
44. 1312' long
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 02:10 PM
Mar 2021

about a quarter of a mile.

Other comparisons-
Longest tanker ever (Seawise Giant) 1503'.
Longest aircraft carrier (The Enterprise) 1120'.
The Titanic 882'.
The Edmund Fitzgerald 729'.

RussBLib

(9,008 posts)
50. why do people keep calling it "Evergiven"?
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 12:52 PM
Mar 2021

when the words "EVERGREEN" are printed in HUGE letters on the side?

This is about the 50th time I have seen that.

Towlie

(5,324 posts)
51. Some of the other ships owned by Evergreen include "Ever Goods", "Ever Gaining", and Ever Giant".
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 01:25 PM
Mar 2021

 
?

The name of the ship blocking the Suez Canal is the 'Ever Given,' not the 'Evergreen'

The large "EVERGREEN" painted on the side of the vessel, however, has led many to mistakenly believe that's the name of the watercraft. The true name of the enormous container ship is the "Ever Given," and here's why:

The ship is owned by the Evergreen Marine Corp, a Taiwanese container transportation and shipping company that owns 39 shipping vessels. Of its large fleet of ships, 20 are named in the format of "Ever" + [a word that begins with a G]. Other ships owned by Evergreen Marine include the "Ever Goods," "Ever Gaining," and the "Ever Giant."


However, they may decide to rename Ever Given after it's freed:

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