Biden Ready to Ditch Filibuster to Go Big

[babylonsister]

https://politicalwire.com/2021/03/24/biden-ready-to-ditch-filibuster-to-go-big/

Biden Ready to Ditch Filibuster to Go Big
March 24, 2021 at 7:43 am EDT By Taegan Goddard

“President Biden recently held an undisclosed East Room session with historians that included discussion of how big is too big — and how fast is too fast — to jam through once-in-a-lifetime historic changes to America,” Axios reports.

“The historians’ views were very much in sync with his own: It is time to go even bigger and faster than anyone expected. If that means chucking the filibuster and bipartisanship, so be it.”

The Hill: Democrats plan to squeeze GOP over filibuster.

[Omnipresent]

1. Uh oh, Moscow Mitch is going to show up with more bruises again!

[KPN]

13. And threaten Armageddon, go nuclear with threats to

do exactly what he and the GOP are doing! Oh my Gawd!!!!

[Hortensis]

20. :) Except, only they are corrupting and misusing the legislative function

to subvert and ultimately destroy our democracy. And nobody forced them. Quite the contrary.

We'd be doing it to save our democracy and protect and serve our people.

Wonder if this is a message to McConnell to force cooperation or if we're FINALLY going to get rid of it.

[KPN]

23. I think it's a message at this point, but doubt it will have an effect. Truly believing their

own horseshit about Democrats are out to destroy America they are rabid about beating us. We on the other hand are rational about beating them. So, they won't acquiesce and we'll do what is necessary to save democracy and secure equal rights, justice and standing for all. The filibuster as we've known it is in it's last months is my prediction.

[Hortensis]

26. McConnell threatened "nuclear winter." :) That's not

a strongman's position, but coming from a man with his back against the wall. Everything he could do would badly delay, but not defeat, passage of Democratic legislation.

This is columnist Kim Strassel's description of what the greatly increased number of people clicking on CSPAN2 would get to see the Republicans doing, day after day:

"The Senate convenes. Quorum call. The presiding officer asks for consent to forgo reading yesterday’s journal. Republicans object. Roll call vote. The officer asks for consent to speed through 'morning business.' Republicans object."

"Democrats move to get on an issue. Point of order. Roll-call vote. Quorum call. Republicans object to the motion. Roll-call vote. A speech. Quorum call. Etc., and so on, until adjournment."

[KPN]

32. Ugh!

Looks like Biden, Schumer et al will need to do a lot of stumping with the media to point out McConnell's/GOP's intransigence and effort to make governing fail.

[Hortensis]

34. Yes. :) But media will cover the big battles. And CSPAN will cover

McConnell's extremely misnamed "nuclear winter," or whatever rodent wheel they end up running on.

Democrats and Republicans are really different in their attitudes toward government, and it occurs to me that should make a huge difference if it comes to outlasting each other.

After all, Democrats want to be here doing what they believe in, to use government to advance their ideals and a vast array of exciting goals.

Anti-government Republicans no longer have any beyond winning at any cost; holding onto their cushy, corrupted positions now requires being and/or colluding with traitors.

Just imagine, long hours in the chamber opposing and exposing because when they leave the Democrats win. Knowing the cameras are now showing it all.

[onetexan]

46. This is why i never watch CSPAN

[Hortensis]

48. :) I agree no one could watch much.

But the CSPAN2 view of an empty chamber would change. It'd take a stronger stomach than I have to listen to even one of the Republican speeches and angry rants they'd delay with. Guessing those forced to attend would probably put on great shows of support, though, and the better they did and the more important the bill the more likely the media would be to report on their attempts to obstruct.

[AleksS]

39. Except there's no way the GOPers get anyone in their ranks to do that for more than a day or two.

Remember RonJon's attempt to delay the stimulus bill where they couldn't even keep enough GOP senators present overnight to prevent the delay attempt from getting shut down?

They might try to do it, but one thing a bunch of snowflake old rich white guys are NOT, is that they're NOT hard workers. Most never worked a minute at a real job in their lives. They'll be tired, bored, and calling it quits within 12 hours.

I welcome them to try for a nuclear slowdown. They'll fail so hard it'll leave a mitch mcconnell shaped crater in the floor.

[Hortensis]

50. :) We do wonder how long that'd play out, probably much longer

than that, but for sure they'd be unhappy. As it is, some of the more establishment members of their corruption-takeover era have already decided to retire.

[DENVERPOPS]

41. This is it folks

THE DEMS BETER GET BEHIND BIDEN, HE IS GOING FOR BROKE FOR THE NATION AND DEMOCRACY AND ALL U.S. CITIZENS.........

The Republicans, Trump, Pravda Fox, RW Radio, Right Wing appointed judges across the nation, Republican Governors, Republican State Legislatures, the right wing USSC, and Putin, are going to come at the DEMS with anything and everything they've got.........

With Trump saying he is going to start his own news network, Fox is running scared and going to help the Republicans in every way possible, and like nothing that has ever been seen before.

Biden is quite literally going for broke.....For the people of this nation and the future of Democracy in the U.S.

The Dems need to get with the program en force............This is it folks..........
The Repubs are going to try to torpedo every single thing Biden tries to do, much like they did with Obama his last two years.......
They will concentrate on every single state for starters, doing anything to get rid of Democrat voters. Look at what they are doing ALREADY, and it is only day 63........... it is an all out assault across the entire nation......

There can be no more Mr Nice Guys and Gals, and taking the Higher Road.

Hey Dems, how much frikking worse does it have to get than a mob of armed Republican insurrectionists trying to overthrow the U.S. Capital with intent to "take out" all the Dem House members and Dem Senators, and even their own VP???????????

This is it, folks....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Delmette2.0]

51. +1 million

[Bettie]

2. "Bipartisanship" has been gone for a long time and that is not due to Democrats

it is due to Republicans and their ongoing tantrum.

ETA: I am really pleased that Biden seems to understand who and what they are and is willing to work with the current reality instead of giving ground to people who will never cooperate.

[Maraya1969]

3. But how can they do it? I thought it was determined by a vote in the Senate

and Manchin and Sinema, (sp?) are against it.

[lagomorph777]

9. We need to find a way to pressure Manchin and Sinema (carrot and stick)

[KPN]

15. McConnell wouldn't be as pissy as he is right now

about filibuster if it couldn’t be done. There’s a number of changes to Senate rules that can be made by the majority that effectively change “filibustering” from what it is now — a means for any member to block a vote on a Senate Bill until a supermajority (currently 60) vote to end debate and move forward with a vote (i.e., cloture) essentially just by saying I am filibustering.

[Tommymac]

40. Go back to making them actually speak...

and when they fall over from exhaustion take the vote.

The cloture (60 vote) aspect is a fairly recent addition. In it's original incarnation the Senator who called for the filabuster had to get up and actually speak. They could speak until they couldn't, then the vote would be held - no 60 vote undemocratic unconstitutional supermajority needed.

[HUAJIAO]

4. Bi-partisanship has already been chucked by repubs...

[Wounded Bear]

5. You can't have "bi-partisanship" when one party won't cooperate at all...

on anything.

[bdamomma]

6. Good

we need to go big. These fascists in the QOP want to suppress voting they need to be squeezed.

[Irish_Dem]

7. Biden has morphed into something new. Going full FDR.

The careful, pragmatic, center Joe is going big, very big.

I love it. The American people need this.

[IrishAfricanAmerican]

10. Yes!

Full FDR is exactly what the nation needs right now.

[OldBaldy1701E]

35. Roosevelt was my hero

(Not that my father was even a twinkle in grandad's eye when he was president). I studied him in school and did projects and reports on him as well. Of course, I have forgotten a lot of the particulars, but he was a firebrand that just did not care about those who wanted to, in his words, 'take the feathers from the wings of liberty to line their own nests.' If Biden takes this path, he may finally restore a tiny bit of faith in our government from this old cynic. There is still the matter of money ruling this country, but one step at a time I guess. (Improvements in all aspects do not have to take so long, and if he shows he is not going to allow bureaucracy to screw up actual improvements, he might become a legend.)

[Irish_Dem]

37. My mother would talk about FDR, she had vivid memories of him.

She grew up in the Depression, and like a lot of people then, she was hungry as a child.
FDR worked a true miracle and was adored by all. The difference FDR made was remarkable.
And of course, FDR's efforts during the War resulted in victory.
She talked about the day FDR died and it was a true time of morning for America.

I agree, if Biden can do anything along the lines of FDR, I will have to give up some of my severe cynicism. The US has been a corrupt oligarchy for quite some time now. We shall see if Biden can make a dent in that. He has a good start for sure.

[Harker]

8. Bipartisanship is what the republican'ts bleat for when

they're in the minority, and sneer at when in the majority.

Blather, rinse, repeat.

[eShirl]

11. yessssssss

[AZLD4Candidate]

12. You cannot with with a political party that refuses to even take baby steps your way

The modern Republican idea of bi-partisanship is "you give us what we want and then we'll demand more, complaining you are impossible to work with."

Mitch McConnell (and to a lesser extend, half Democrat Joe Manchin） have way too much power.

[Botany]

18. There is no "playing nice" with those assholes.

See bush v Gore, Ohio 2004, Kavanaugh, Iraq war, getting rid of the fairness doctrine,
that asshole governor of Montana who just shot a captured wolf that had on a radio
collar, Trump's 2 impeachment trials in the senate, Nixon, links to Russia, and so on.

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[AZLD4Candidate]

25. Barry Goldwater warned the Republicans about getting into bed with "preachers."

Preachers are not about governance through compromise. Ever since 1980, this is what the Republicans have become.

Sadly for them (or better for the country), they are going the way of the Whigs and I do believe ***** （I don't even mention his name and I refuse to type it) will break the Republicans into two. . .then the remain Republicans will fracture more.

I see the Republicans becoming four groups/parties soon:

1: The ***** fascist/racist party (not enough to win, but enough to cause damage)
2: The fiscal conservatives (northeast/rust belt)
3: The religious social conservatives (old confederacy)
4: Libertarians (midwest/Rocky Mountains/West Coast)

If the Democrats, who have never really been an organized political party (Will Rogers used to say "I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat), can remain united, the next 20-50 years could be our next New Deal area that lasted from 1932-1981.

[cayugafalls]

14. Bipartisanship is an illusion. Time to go BIG.

The people want BIG.

[Harker]

21. Really big. n/t

[onetexan]

47. +1 -K&R

[cilla4progress]

16. File under no more fucks

to give.

Sometimes having a president at the end of his long political career is just what is needed!!

So excited about this!!

Badass - the good kind!!!

[Botany]

17. Go for it President Joe. I got your back.

My piece of heaven in Western MD, New Germany State Park. A big government CCC project.

[Hortensis]

22. I love seeing these old CCC projects. My sentimental favorite

CCC legacy is a big old stone retaining wall in a park near our home in California. By the time we came along, government's favorite building material was concrete, but 90 years later that wall's still a thing of beauty.

[Botany]

27. Now the cabins have been updated but the people who built 'em were crafstmen.

[Hortensis]

28. Wonderful! Craftsmen, all right, like our CA masons, whose

legacy includes CCC projects that live on.

Those working on our new infrastructure projects will have them to point to through their lives as their achievements also. They'll be very different, of course. Like climate infrastructure...

[Botany]

30. The trails they built are still in use.

I don't know how many mountains I have left in me to X-country ski there but it is special.



BTW that is American Chestnut paneling. It almost glows.

Under the bridge that is Poplar Lick ... native brook trout.

I wanna see Joe "go big" on ecological restoration.

[PatSeg]

19. Oh, please, please, let it be!

[BobTheSubgenius]

24. I hope he realizes that this course of action could have dire consequences.

Moscow Mitch could waggle his finger and pretend to pontificate again.

[Hortensis]

31. :) He's driven to promising America "nuclear winter."

Presumably pleased some, those trying to burn down our nation. But the pathetic reality would be long hours each day of repetitive roll calls and quorum calls, all available for public viewing on CSPAN.

Mitch's "nuclear winter" would mean a senate chamber full of Republican senators who couldn't leave. We'd make sure of that.

[BobTheSubgenius]

43. You make it sound almost OK.

Nice work!

[Deminpenn]

29. FDR and ER are smiling

[colsohlibgal]

33. Risky For Sure

If Republicans get back the Senate God know what they might jam through.

I see the allure though. Frustration has to be peaking with the way the whole thing favors the Republicans.....the Electoral College and of course the Senate makeup....as in sparsely populated States have the same 2 Senators that States with more people than some Countries like New York and California....the most egregious examples but not the only ones.

It’s Minority Rule when Republicans run things.

[Tommymac]

42. Strawman argument. The Rethugs will NEVER take back the Senate for many years if S-1 passes.

At least not in their current incarnation.

The ARA and Pres Joe's ambitious programs are just too damn popular with regular sane people from all ends of the political spectrum.

They would need to go back to having a reasonable platform that attracted independent voters.

They would need to stop trying to destroy government and actually use it to advance their policies.

If the filabuster is neutralized so that S-1 can be implemented, the partisan gerrymandering of the past 30 years can be undone.

The opposition will have to actually go to work trying to woo voters rather then impeding them.

The Dems will control the Federal Government for 20 years at least. Time enough to level the playing figure and deal with any remnant of the filabuster that still exists then.

[vercetti2021]

45. I agree

And with this act. Texas would be fair game and the chances of it flipping would be higher. Thus never granting the GQP the presidency for decades

[asiliveandbreathe]

36. Moscowmitch is really pissy now..showing up at Faux snooze - undies in

a bunch pissy..he can see the writing on the wall...

.. GO JOE GO...

[cstanleytech]

38. If he actually means that then we might see changes such as no longer spending

what the top 10 defense spending countries combined spend and reducing our spending on that to a sustainable level.
Plus increasing SCOTUS to 13 seats to bring back balance to the court.

[dchill]

44. Majority rule. AKA democracy.

The filibuster is a poison pill, prescribed by the GOP for the whole country. Somebody needs to figure out that they're not good doctors.

[badboy67]

49. GOP sees its fortunes in making everything as worse as possible, then pointing to the mess and sayin

"the Democrats did that."