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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSaying Never Again to the Violence in Atlanta Means Saying No to More Policing
https://newrepublic.com/article/161792/atlanta-shooter-sex-worker-red-canary-songAnd that mindsetthat shared politics of eliminationis a product of the anti-Asian racism, misogyny, and xenophobia that communities are now mobilizing against across the United States. But their work can only ever get part of the way there in confronting those interlocking oppressions if that work does not also confront the oppression of people who engage in, or are believed to engage in, sex work and massage work, and repair the ways they have historically been excluded from community responses to violence. Sometimes they have even been blamed. This time may point to a new way.
There is no one cause here, just as there is no one reason someone may work at or be a customer at a massage business like those that the confessed shooter reportedly told investigators he targeted. If we take at face value that his motives are what law enforcement report, where did he get the idea that massage businesses were to blame for his sex addiction, a phrase with no consistent meaning? Its an idea that could have come from his faith community or the evangelical treatment center he turned to. It could have come from self-described anti-trafficking groups like Street Grace. It could have come from growing up in a country that has long regarded all Asian immigrant women as sexual temptations for men, a racist idea woven into American anti-immigration law, into popular culture, and that has now been reinforced in statements shared by police.
Police are now, as they always are, being turned to for safetyand it is massage workers themselves who are among the loudest voices to challenge that, to demand something more. We want people to step up, Yves Tong Nguyen, an organizer with Red Canary Song, a grassroots collective of Asian and migrant massage workers, told me a few days after the shootings. They are one of the very few groups in the U.S. that provide outreach and mutual aid to massage workers, and in which massage workers are organizing for their own safety and rights. The violence in Atlanta put them in the national spotlight. If we want to address and prevent such violence, Red Canary Song members said in a statement, we cannot look to the police. We understand the pain that motivates our Asian and Asian-American community members call for increased policing, but we nevertheless stand against it.
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)Haggard Celine
(16,856 posts)Of all things the APD have to worry about, shady massage parlors aren't high on the list. If anything illegal happens in those places, it's usually small, victimless crimes, unless there's trafficking going on, and that's more of a federal issue. If that guy hadn't killed all of those people, those paces would probably have gone on for many more years without any incident.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,433 posts)to assault the people working there.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/03/19/asian-massage-business-women-atlanta/
During a two-year period from 2011 though 2013, police conducted seven undercover stings at Gold Spa, making a total of 10 arrests, according to the reports. The arrests were all of women. The reports often listed their home addresses as the address of Gold Spa.
Police received complaints about alleged prostitution at the addresses of Gold Spa and Aromatherapy Spa, another business where the shootings took place, as recently as 2019, according to Officer Steve Avery of the departments public affairs unit.
Youngs Asian Massage, located just north of Atlanta, has been under investigation by the Cherokee County Sheriffs Office since 2019, according to a record keeper for the county, who declined to give any details about the case.
Haggard Celine
(16,856 posts)If so many of the women at these massage parlors were prostitutes, why did they allow these whorehouses to remain open? Because they made too much money from periodically arresting people, apparently. I doubt the police's involvement will be mentioned much, however. No matter where you go, the police act with near-impunity.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,433 posts)Which, again, is routine when it comes to cops raiding massage parlors. They get the credit for "cleaning up the neighborhood," while the difficult work of proving prostitution is left to the guys in suits.
Haggard Celine
(16,856 posts)I'll bet things would be different if they were arresting the men who were the customers of these women. There would be a public outcry for tolerance of these places, no doubt.
This shit happens over and over again so often that they might as well let organized crime run everything. The mafia could shake down the massage parlor for protection money and then give the police their cut. No need for anyone to be raided or arrests made. You just want to throw up your hands and say fuck it all.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,433 posts)Or we could take a page from the article I posted and listen to actual sex workers about what they would like their work to look like. No mobs, no cops.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... a person literally linked more massage spas that were Asian run in black areas.
Some people can't disconnect Asia Massage spas with whore houses, I'm blown away.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,433 posts)During a two-year period from 2011 though 2013, police conducted seven undercover stings at Gold Spa, making a total of 10 arrests, according to the reports. The arrests were all of women. The reports often listed their home addresses as the address of Gold Spa.
Police received complaints about alleged prostitution at the addresses of Gold Spa and Aromatherapy Spa, another business where the shootings took place, as recently as 2019, according to Officer Steve Avery of the departments public affairs unit.
Youngs Asian Massage, located just north of Atlanta, has been under investigation by the Cherokee County Sheriffs Office since 2019, according to a record keeper for the county, who declined to give any details about the case.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)I got questions on why these places are allowed to exist after the 3rd raid though, that's a whole other subject that's separate from why this incel turned terrorist.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,433 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... at the time and I still wonder why they're allowed to exist after the 3rd raid.
Something aint right here but that's separate from this incels terrorism
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,433 posts)the city hadn't been aware of any illegal activity at the businesses, ever, when clearly the city had been.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... place to exist after the 3rd raid ?!
Some are using information like this to justify the incel's terrorism or even to prove their right about an issue vs being progressive about slave trafficking
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,433 posts)Because it's easy to raid these businesses, and harder to prove that they should be shut down. As I said in another subthread, the raids are great for making it look like cops are doing something, but the cases bog down in the legal procedures.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... these places are being harassed by the police.
We ... REALLY ... need some police accountability in the US.
When the US was 100 million people maybe everyone knew everyone but now we're the 3rd largest country in the world population wise (behind China and India) and we can't afford to have police doing WTF they want to because no one knows them any longer and they have no connection with the communities they're serving.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,433 posts)Hence the article in the OP.