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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 09:43 AM Mar 2021

Colorado Christian Baker Back in Court After Refusing to Bake Birthday Cake for Transgender Woman

Colorado Christian Baker Back in Court After Refusing to Bake Birthday Cake for Transgender Woman

Published on March 23, 2021 at 09:06 PM ETBy David Badash

Jack Phillips, the Colorado Christian baker who refused to bake a wedding cake for a same-sex couple and won a very narrow victory in the U.S. Supreme Court – which was quickly misused by the Trump administration to expand anti-LGBTQ discrimination – is back in court this week.

Phillips, who owns Masterpiece Cakeshop, refused to bake a birthday cake for a transgender woman back in 2017. It was to be pink on the inside, blue on the outside, “intended to celebrate her gender transition,” as Law & Crime reports.

That, too, violates his religious beliefs, Phillips claimed, refusing to serve the woman, attorney Autumn Scardina. In court documents Phillips in 2018 said he could not “promote the idea that a person’s sex is anything other than an immutable God-given biological reality.” He also expressed frustration, suggesting he is the victim is all this.

“It seems I’m the only person in the state of Colorado who can’t live out my beliefs,” he told an ultra-conservative anti-LGBTQ think tank, the Heritage Foundation. “A gender-transition cake is not something I’ve ever made, and it’s not an event I could celebrate.”

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Colorado Christian Baker Back in Court After Refusing to Bake Birthday Cake for Transgender Woman (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2021 OP
"Not an event I could celebrate." Who expects the cake baker to actually "celebrate" Tanuki Mar 2021 #1
How does this even come up? Harker Mar 2021 #2
"What's the occasion?" WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #4
"None of your business - I just want a pink and blue cake." Harker Mar 2021 #11
Certainly an option. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #12
See my post below. This incident was designed to revisit the case Ex Lurker Mar 2021 #24
That crossed my mind. Thanks. n/t Harker Mar 2021 #25
On the fence about this. What if I refused service to... TreasonousBastard Mar 2021 #3
There are lines, in state and federal laws. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #9
Or a black person edhopper Mar 2021 #14
I wouldn't want this ignorant buffoon baking my cake. Just put out a sign in front of bakery so I Pisces Mar 2021 #5
Mr. Phillips must be extraordinarily sensitive gratuitous Mar 2021 #6
Are there no other bakers in town? sop Mar 2021 #7
Two questions that I have: Initech Mar 2021 #8
I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but that baker shouldn't be forced to create any special item Goodheart Mar 2021 #10
If the business advertises custom cakes, then it's going to be subject to whatever anti- WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #13
That's a tough one. Harker Mar 2021 #15
Well, that's the thing. Goodheart Mar 2021 #16
Yep. Harker Mar 2021 #18
Rename the shop "Douche Bake" lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #17
Truth in advertising. Harker Mar 2021 #19
"and won a very narrow victory in the U.S. Supreme Court" Polybius Mar 2021 #20
It was narrow in the scope of the ruling, which was a very limited application. Danmel Mar 2021 #22
If she ordered a cake that was pink on the inside and blue on the outside, how would the baker know? Vinca Mar 2021 #21
IIRC this was a transgender activist Ex Lurker Mar 2021 #23

Tanuki

(14,914 posts)
1. "Not an event I could celebrate." Who expects the cake baker to actually "celebrate"
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 09:58 AM
Mar 2021

or to do anything besides bake the damn cake? Hateful bigot.

Harker

(13,976 posts)
2. How does this even come up?
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 09:58 AM
Mar 2021

Does this sometimes baker ask, "who are you, what is your gender, what is your sex life like, and why do you want this cake?"

Ex Lurker

(3,811 posts)
24. See my post below. This incident was designed to revisit the case
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 12:14 PM
Mar 2021

the plaintiff is a transgender activist who went there to specifically order a transgender cake so that the baker would refuse, with the intent of getting him back into court.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
3. On the fence about this. What if I refused service to...
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 10:01 AM
Mar 2021

say, a slumlord? Or to that baker?

Or anyone else I didn't approve of...

There has to be some line where my rights vs your rights can stop fighting.

edhopper

(33,479 posts)
14. Or a black person
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 10:29 AM
Mar 2021

or a gay person, or an Asian person, or a Jewish person. You have the right not to have a public business, but once you have one, you serve all the public.

Pisces

(5,599 posts)
5. I wouldn't want this ignorant buffoon baking my cake. Just put out a sign in front of bakery so I
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 10:05 AM
Mar 2021

Know you’re a bigot and don’t spend my dollars in your store.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
6. Mr. Phillips must be extraordinarily sensitive
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 10:06 AM
Mar 2021

Goodness! Pink and blue in such close proximity to each other. Maybe it's to celebrate a boy-girl set of twins (assuming Phillips' god approves of such sibling gender mixing), but what if it's a transgender thing?! Phillips' god might be really, really mad about that, and Phillips can't take the chance that making a cake like that would land him on the wrong side of the Pearly Gates.

Initech

(100,038 posts)
8. Two questions that I have:
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 10:07 AM
Mar 2021

1. Is there really only one baker in all of Colorado? And it just happens to be this douchebag?

2. How could you not know this going in? We have these things called Google and Yelp for a reason.

Seriously...

Goodheart

(5,308 posts)
10. I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but that baker shouldn't be forced to create any special item
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 10:10 AM
Mar 2021

for anybody.

Now, if it's a stock cake that he sells to anybody off the street that would be different.

Not that I approve of his stupid bigotry caused by his nonsensical religion.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,307 posts)
13. If the business advertises custom cakes, then it's going to be subject to whatever anti-
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 10:28 AM
Mar 2021

discrimination laws/statutes apply in its jurisdiction.

Harker

(13,976 posts)
15. That's a tough one.
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 10:29 AM
Mar 2021

Were I a baker, I don't suppose I'd care to make a cake with red frosting topped with a sugar Charlton Heston holding a gun over its head.

Harker

(13,976 posts)
18. Yep.
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 10:46 AM
Mar 2021

Cake baking and decorating could be viewed as an art, and I don't think a painter should be forced to accept a commission to paint a portrait of Trumpsky, for example.

Thus, it should follow that a baker might rightfully say, "I do not wish to do that.". To say, though, "I will not do for you, because of your sexual orientation, that which I would cheerfully do for another" enters a different territory.

Danmel

(4,907 posts)
22. It was narrow in the scope of the ruling, which was a very limited application.
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 12:11 PM
Mar 2021

Had it not been, it wouldn't have been 7-2.

Vinca

(50,236 posts)
21. If she ordered a cake that was pink on the inside and blue on the outside, how would the baker know?
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 12:10 PM
Mar 2021

This is just dumb beyond words. Cake is fucking cake. Bake it, ice it and collect the cash for it.

Ex Lurker

(3,811 posts)
23. IIRC this was a transgender activist
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 12:12 PM
Mar 2021

who ordered the cake with the specific intent of getting the baker back into court.

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