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marmar

(77,077 posts)
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 11:27 AM Mar 2021

We Must Start Planning For a Permanent Pandemic


(Bloomberg) For the past year, an assumption — sometimes explicit, often tacit — has informed almost all our thinking about the pandemic: At some point, it will be over, and then we’ll go “back to normal.”

This premise is almost certainly wrong. SARS-CoV-2, protean and elusive as it is, may become our permanent enemy, like the flu but worse. And even if it peters out eventually, our lives and routines will by then have changed irreversibly. Going “back” won’t be an option; the only way is forward. But to what exactly?

Most epidemics disappear once populations achieve herd immunity and the pathogen has too few vulnerable bodies available as hosts for its self-propagation. This herd protection comes about through the combination of natural immunity in people who’ve recovered from infection and vaccination of the remaining population.

In the case of SARS-CoV-2, however, recent developments suggest that we may never achieve herd immunity. Even the U.S., which leads most other countries in vaccinations and already had large outbreaks, won’t get there. That’s the upshot of an analysis by Christopher Murray at the University of Washington and Peter Piot at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. ...........(more)

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-03-24/when-will-covid-end-we-must-start-planning-for-a-permanent-pandemic?srnd=premium



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We Must Start Planning For a Permanent Pandemic (Original Post) marmar Mar 2021 OP
I'm afraid so. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #1
Because of piss poor management Horse with no Name Mar 2021 #2
That and the significant widespread resistance to vaccination. Reported here empedocles Mar 2021 #3
That's the real problem: The mainly conservative belief in a constitutional right to spread disease. Towlie Mar 2021 #17
And mask wearing and keeping distance.. and avoiding public gatherings, and, and.... HUAJIAO Mar 2021 #19
Endemic. Iggo Mar 2021 #4
Yes, that's the correct term. LastDemocratInSC Mar 2021 #16
The common cold is a permanent pandemic. We're learning Hortensis Mar 2021 #5
oral treatments are on their way greymattermom Mar 2021 #6
I'm not sure I share the alarmism. Aristus Mar 2021 #7
All excellent points. Phoenix61 Mar 2021 #10
Planning is the balm for alarmism. Politicub Mar 2021 #14
I think we will have to think differently about how we live and move in the world. Neema Mar 2021 #8
There is every reason to believe we will get a handle on this. Phoenix61 Mar 2021 #9
The reporter is incapable of understanding the novelty... NNadir Mar 2021 #11
We could enshrine it in a Constitutional Amendment Turbineguy Mar 2021 #12
Pretty terrible article BGBD Mar 2021 #13
Same Here ProfessorGAC Mar 2021 #21
We must also start understanding there are people invested in it not ending. BannonsLiver Mar 2021 #15
Brazil is becoming a factory for variants flamingdem Mar 2021 #18
Yeah, I don't know...... Chakaconcarne Mar 2021 #20
I have never had a flu shot my entire life. Initech Mar 2021 #23
We're still fighting the flu 100 years later. Initech Mar 2021 #22

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
1. I'm afraid so.
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 11:33 AM
Mar 2021

Not all of the changes are bad; more working from home (at least as an option) will save billions of barrels of fuel, rush hour traffic, and pulled-out hair.

Same for retail, painful as the transition is.

But anti-vaxers will be a worse scourge than ever.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
2. Because of piss poor management
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 11:33 AM
Mar 2021

This virus has/will become endemic.
Make no mistake, we wouldn’t be here without the poor management of the virus by trump.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
3. That and the significant widespread resistance to vaccination. Reported here
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 11:34 AM
Mar 2021

49% of republicons intend to refuse vaccination?

Towlie

(5,324 posts)
17. That's the real problem: The mainly conservative belief in a constitutional right to spread disease.
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 12:55 PM
Mar 2021

 
?

The more things change, the more they'll never be the same.

LastDemocratInSC

(3,647 posts)
16. Yes, that's the correct term.
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 12:34 PM
Mar 2021

Not part of everyday language but that could change in the near future.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. The common cold is a permanent pandemic. We're learning
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 11:37 AM
Mar 2021

how to sit at keyboards and design killers for SARS2 and other pathogens. Before long, developers will be messaging specially designed epidemiological weaponry around the planet to manufacture for local problems.

We caught a real break that the Republicans/Trump turned SAR2 loose on our nation at a point when science was approaching this capability and the planetary crisis was able to trigger great new advances.

We will return to what everyone considers normal. That could mean we all keep masks in our dressers for those times when local outbreaks occur and need to be quickly contained and eliminated (as in within 2 weeks). I haven't had a cold in over a year, wouldn't mind at all if mask wearing became seen as normal and acceptable during flu season, etc.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
6. oral treatments are on their way
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 11:39 AM
Mar 2021

They work against viral genes, similar to those for HIV, and they won't be cheap. We will need a way to pay for them, or Republcan men will be chronically ill.

Aristus

(66,327 posts)
7. I'm not sure I share the alarmism.
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 11:45 AM
Mar 2021

Yes, the possibility exists that we may all need to get a yearly COVID-19 booster. But we don't know for sure yet.

When the Black Plague was ravaging 14th Century Europe, people thought it was the end of the world. And it's impossible to minimize the deaths of 1/3 of the population of the time. But the disease disappeared. It re-emerged several times over the centuries, but never once caused the end of the world. The world got on.

If there is to be any significant change, it will likely be salutary. Just as the Plague left a labor shortage, contributing to higher wages and better working conditions, so any major changes brought about by COVID may be beneficial.

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
10. All excellent points.
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 11:55 AM
Mar 2021

I think the work-from-home trend is permanent.. The technology has been there for years but businesses weren’t willing to make the investments necessary to make it happen. Covid forced their hand. This will have a huge impact on how cities are structured. Urban commercial real estate is already feeling the impact. I think the political impact of this will be a lot of those “citified liberals” will move to the country and take their ideas and votes with them.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
14. Planning is the balm for alarmism.
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 12:10 PM
Mar 2021

Lack of planning and preparation are why it was so hard in the U.S. to ramp up to manage through the early days of the pandemic.

Viruses don’t care about wishful thinking.

Neema

(1,151 posts)
8. I think we will have to think differently about how we live and move in the world.
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 11:45 AM
Mar 2021

Once I'm vaccinated and things open up, I will start traveling again and enjoying the things I used to enjoy. But I plan to wear a mask when I fly for the foreseeable future. And likely in other situations as well. I will just have one (or several) with me at all times and will mask up whenever I feel I'm in a situation where I have a higher risk of exposure. I've started carrying a bag around with me that has essentials I didn't used to carry. In the past I often would leave the house with my phone, keys and wallet. Now I make sure I have extra masks, hand sanitizer, a thin blanket for sitting outside (since I haven't sat indoors anywhere but my house in a year), etc.

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
9. There is every reason to believe we will get a handle on this.
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 11:46 AM
Mar 2021

All pandemics eventually come to an end. Our immune system adjusts even as viruses mutate. The knowledge of how our immune system actually works has increased tremendously over the past couple of years. Childhood leukemia used to be a death sentence. Now the 5 year survival rate is 90%.

NNadir

(33,515 posts)
11. The reporter is incapable of understanding the novelty...
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 11:56 AM
Mar 2021

....of the RNA vaccines.

The sequence of the Moderna active was synthesized within days of publication of the viral RNA sequence by Chinese scientists.

With regulatory streamlining, it should be straight forward to modify the vaccines, making this disease at worst, something like annual flu shots now that the production of the ionizable lipids is scaling.

Of course many antivaxxers and conspiracy theorists will win the Darwin award, but sane people should do well.

Turbineguy

(37,322 posts)
12. We could enshrine it in a Constitutional Amendment
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 12:02 PM
Mar 2021

like add it to the 2nd Amendment.

That way we can keep those gubmint CDC busybodies from messing with our freedumb.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
13. Pretty terrible article
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 12:06 PM
Mar 2021

The idea that 15% vaccination rates would stem an outbreak are absurd. Get back to me when we are at 60 or 70% vaccination and we will see how things look.


And we will get there. I know hard core Republicans who said they were not going to get the vaccine, but then took it the first time it was offered to them.

ProfessorGAC

(65,008 posts)
21. Same Here
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 03:29 PM
Mar 2021

11 months ago, about 8 guys at the golf course were on the "hoax, no big deal, just the flu" train.
Of the 8, 7 of them, plus their spouses, are vaccinated.
Funny how that attitude changed when it's killed 20 times a bad flu year, isn't it?

BannonsLiver

(16,370 posts)
15. We must also start understanding there are people invested in it not ending.
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 12:10 PM
Mar 2021

Whether because it has enriched them, or brought media attention to them, there are those who would just assume it not end.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
18. Brazil is becoming a factory for variants
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 01:38 PM
Mar 2021

as are other countries that lack the leadership or vaccines needed to stem Covid.

The "P1" variant is even more virulent that the British variant already predominant in Florida.

This might be a pandemic for a while longer and slowly become endemic.

Chakaconcarne

(2,446 posts)
20. Yeah, I don't know......
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 02:33 PM
Mar 2021

I believe herd immunity isn't needed after every person in the US has been offered a vaccine.

This will evolve into flu like management.... People who get the vaccine and people who don't...

I think once you get any COVID vaccine you will have enough protection against variants to keep you out of the hospital.

Initech

(100,067 posts)
23. I have never had a flu shot my entire life.
Thu Mar 25, 2021, 01:13 AM
Mar 2021

I don't get flus, I don't get colds, I don't get pneumonia. And I have been in some extremely large crowds. But you can bet that I got the COVID vaccine. I had my first shot on Monday. Second one is on the 20th.

Initech

(100,067 posts)
22. We're still fighting the flu 100 years later.
Thu Mar 25, 2021, 01:11 AM
Mar 2021

But it's evolved into a less virulent version of what it was in 1918. Same thing will happen to COVID. Will we still be fighting it 100 years from now? Yes. But will it be as deadly? No. And the vaccines will get better with each generation and they can be adapted to combat new variants.

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