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Goodheart

(5,324 posts)
Fri Mar 26, 2021, 03:52 PM Mar 2021

Should all states be abolished? (i.e. end our federal system of government?)

I see three big reasons for rewriting our Constitution to end the notion of separate states:

1- That somebody could be treated vastly differently, depending on which state you happen to reside in, particularly in regard to criminal codes and voting rights/power, seems quite contrary to justice.

2- Our current system makes it more difficult to respond to national emergencies. Obvious case in point: this covid pandemic, where a country like South Korea could enact nationwide mandates without the interference of state governments.

3- Our system makes economic progress more difficult. Cases in point: giant water systems in China, modern high speed rail systems in Japan, ultra modern and vast construction projects in Dubai, Taiwan, Qatar, etc. (in this latest point our system of capitalism also is a major hindrance).




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Mysterian

(4,587 posts)
1. State boundaries are very arbitrary
Fri Mar 26, 2021, 03:57 PM
Mar 2021

Lord So-And-So granted Parcel X to his buddy and Parcel Y to his other pal, etc. Now these weird freakin' land parcels are sovereign state governments. It would be a lot better if we had no states.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
2. I think we're heading towards an 'Un-United States'
Fri Mar 26, 2021, 03:59 PM
Mar 2021

with no federal government. I'm tired of people in other states determining my fate...in any way.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
6. As a Californian, part of me is all for this idea.
Fri Mar 26, 2021, 04:07 PM
Mar 2021

We may have passed the point of irreconcilable differences,

pwb

(11,265 posts)
3. No, but we should be able to expel states
Fri Mar 26, 2021, 04:00 PM
Mar 2021

when they are a danger to the rest. Maybe cut funding for reckless governing.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
5. People need local control over local issues.
Fri Mar 26, 2021, 04:02 PM
Mar 2021

If you're going to get rid of states then you'll have to have some other subdivision below the national level. Do you really want politicians from the opposite side of the country dictating your local issues?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. :) I see one big one against. NONE of the states would agree and
Fri Mar 26, 2021, 04:07 PM
Mar 2021

only a small percentage of residents would agree. Even most of the liberals who approve requiring state and local governments to basic standards set by our liberalism-based constitution wouldn't want that.

Of course centralized governments have some advantages, but also disadvantages. Both Russia and China are prone to odd famines and other little problems of mismanagement here and there. Their censored news can't keep all problems from being known. And, of course, there'd only be the presidency and central committee for a totalitarian fascist or oligarchical cabal to get control of. Not that that ever happens, of course, but speaking theoretically...

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
8. i dont think Rhode Island can afford their own Navy..
Fri Mar 26, 2021, 04:28 PM
Mar 2021

...but Im from Washington State and I'm all for the Pacific Coast states to go on their own. Hell I even like the idea of Canada annexing us. More so when the former guy was prez.

Goodheart

(5,324 posts)
12. Are you insinuating that there would be anarchy?
Fri Mar 26, 2021, 07:32 PM
Mar 2021

Why so? There are many non-federalist yet still democratic countries in the world.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
13. The definition of anarchist is someone who wants to abolish all government. So any
Fri Mar 26, 2021, 07:47 PM
Mar 2021

nation without a government is an anarchy. It's not an insinuation, it's a fact!

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
15. You're talking about abolishing states and this and that. I answered the question
Fri Mar 26, 2021, 08:37 PM
Mar 2021

"what would we call it?". Sorry if you're offended but the definition of anarchy stands.
Of course former pRESIDENT guy would've been happy with a monarchy or
autocracy or fascist dictatorship. The anarchists have more in common with the fascists
than anybody else.

I'm not really a student of the best government, which I understand is a benevolent
monarchy/dictatorship. But I like my contribution of the word "Anarchia".

Hekate

(90,686 posts)
18. No, really. No. By the way, China is an autocracy, Dubai & Qatar are monarchies, and Taiwan...
Fri Mar 26, 2021, 08:48 PM
Mar 2021

...is pretty much a satellite of the US. If we turn our back, Taiwan will be swallowed up by China.

We have our troubles, but modeling ourselves after non-democracies is a bad idea.

Goodheart

(5,324 posts)
19. The UK is not a federalist country, and a "monarchy" in name, only.
Fri Mar 26, 2021, 09:07 PM
Mar 2021

France is not a federalist country.

Japan is not a federalist country, and a "monarchy" in name, only.

South Korea is not a federalist country.

All four that I've just mentioned are democracies, and have high standards of living and civil rights.

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