Biden DOJ Might Sue Georgia Over New Voter Suppression Laws

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The options for the DOJ including filing their own lawsuit or joining an existing civil rights lawsuit. It is almost a given that once the DOJ completes their review of the new Georgia laws, there will be some sort of action.

Former Sen. Al Franken is predicting that the Georgia law is so bad that Democrats in the Senate will come together to pass some form of the For The People Act, and while Chuck Schumer has a strategy to change the filibuster by showing Democrats that Republicans will never work with them on voting rights, it may take a multi-pronged movement to get the Georgia Jim Crow 2.0 struck down.

Attorney General Garland has a chance to take the DOJ in a direction that matches President Biden’s vision for both the nation and the role of government. Garland doesn’t need to wait for Congress to act. He can get the DOJ involved and sue the state of Georgia to protect voting rights.


Asked if there's anything the WH can do to protect voting rights in Georgia, President Biden says "We’re working on that right now. We don’t know quite exactly what we can do at this point. The Justice Department’s taking a look as well.”

https://www.politicususa.com/2021/03/26/biden-doj-might-sue-georgia-over-new-voter-suppression-law.html

[dhol82]

1. Damn well better get this shit done before 2022.

That is my nightmare.

[questionseverything]

3. Repubs know the only way they win is to cheat and suppress

[Celerity]

5. +10000

Either pass all the voter rights bills now in the pipeline or my prediction is by 2026 the Senate will have between 37 and 40 (depending on the two PA seats, and Collins in ME) Democratic members MAX. That means the Rethugs will have 60 to 63 seats and thus a supermajority.

I predict the Rethugs will have over 250 seats in the House, maybe as high as 275 or so.

And they will likely win the POTUS in 2024.

Why?

The SCOTUS will continue to absolutely gut current voter protection laws.

A large number of the hundreds of new voter suppression bills in 43 plus states will stand as we did not pass the new laws like HR.1 and the John Lewis Act to block it. Also, the Federal judiciary is insanely stacked with RW foot soldiers and thugs.

Partisan gerrymandering, based off Rethug massive control at state levels, and a flawed Trumpian-cooked 2020 census, will fuck us until at least 2032.


All of those things are what Manchin, Sinema and Feinstein are helping to bring about with their fetishism towards the disastrously racist Jim Crow relic known as the filibuster.

Manchin especially, as even if there was NO filibuster, he still is likely going to block a lot of the bills' protections. He will, if my series of events actually happens, go down in history as one of the most hated Democrats since the old Segregationist monsters.

[dhol82]

9. That is my nightmare.

[Celerity]

12. I left out another part. The SCOTUS. We have 18 months or so to replace Breyer and (this is where

I put on my ruthless hat) possibly Sotomayor. I say Sotomayor due to her severe type-1 diabetes, which has hospitalised her multiple times.

IF we lose the Senate (and the spread starts to widen between out number of Senators versus the Rethugs due to all those factors I already discussed above) in 2022 and we have not at least replaced Breyer, we might soon see only 2 liberals left. If Sotomayor's health gets increasingly worse, we may be down to ONE (Kagan). We will (I feel very confident making this following statement) likely never see a Rethug-controlled Senate give a Dem POTUS-nominated SCOTUS candidate a vote ever again. The Rethugs will sit and wait on a vacancy until they have a Rethug POTUS and a Rethug Senate to fill a vacancy, even it is 4, 6, 8 or more years. They will HAPPILY accept a 6-2 or 6-1 RW SCOTUS.

I see a perfects storm of RW shitbaggery (decades in the making) taking control of the nation at most all systemic levels if we fail to address all those things in play now. If we do not pass those voters rights bills, and the RW gerrymandering continues unabated, he will be fucked at the US House level, the state assembly level, and State Gubernatorial level. The current SCOTUS will likely rip out the heart of voters' rights further, and then the new wave of voter suppression bills at state level will entrench the suppression further. We likely will lose our firewall of Dem Governors countering Red state assemblies. Bye-bye Dem Governors in KS, NC, MI, WI, KY, PA, LA, and maybe even MN (the Rethugs came with less than 2000 votes scattered over a few state House districts of controlling BOTH chambers in MN, and likely will take House in 2022). If those Governorships all flip, the the Rethugs will likely have 31 or 32 Trifectas (they have 23 now). 32 is counting Alaska (which is barely a non trifecta due to a power sharing scheme in the state House) going full Trifecta in 2022 or 2024.

If the Rethugs have that many trifectas, they will enact CRAZY suppression and gerrymandering schemes in all those states.

We also have a potential further nightmare, wherein we could start to see Red State Assemblies (especially if backed up by a Rethug governor) literally invalidating entire voting outcomes and selecting the Electoral College slate of electors for POTUS even if the popular vote went Blue, and also invalidation of US Senate, US House races, and State Assembly races via pure raw power grabs where they simply invalidate Blue area votes for those contests. IF they control 31, 32 states via trifecta level outcomes, and control the federal judiciary (and State judiciaries), plus the US House, US Senate, and POTUS, who is left to stop them?

They will have utterly gamed the entire electoral system from the ground up. They are within sniffing distance of this occurring within 5 to 7 years MAX (and likely sooner) unless we pass ALL of those voters right bills (and hope that the SCOTUS doesn't strike it all down).

Fast forward to 2028, exactly 60 years from the birth of the Southern strategy, (again, this is IF they steal the POTUS for the 2nd consecutive election and maintain all of the above-mentioned systemic legislative control at both Federal and state level, plus we lose the firewall governorships) and Blue state secession is about the only option left, especially if (or at that point, WHEN) the RW'ers go wild and truly attempt/institute a federalised totalitarian christofascist theocracy.

THAT (all of my replies to you, this one included) is my fully fleshed-out true nightmare scenario.

[vercetti2021]

13. They'll get the second American civil war

If they attempt to turn American into a fascist nation. Then they'll be met with heavy resistance. It will end in red vs blue.

[Celerity]

14. the terrifying thing is that if my scenarios do come to fruition, the RW holds all the cards,

including the ace of spades:

[vercetti2021]

15. Depends

Some are loyal to the constitution of the united states. Not a political party. So it could fracture the military branches

[Celerity]

18. yes, but you have to remember that if they do all of those through 'legal' means (meaning that

the courts sign off on all or most of it at state and federal level) and they have both chambers of Congress and the POTUS, and the tyranny is all done within the constitutional superstructures, then there is a case to be made (horrifically) that the governance is 'legitimate'.

I will give a crazy extreme example.

Let's say that it is 2029. all of my scenarios (or most all) have occurred, including a 7-2 or even 8-1 HARDCORE RW SCOTUS. In early 2029 (again this is an ultimately extreme example just to show the overall weakness of the system) Alabama and Mississippi pass racial slavery laws. Obviously it is instantly challenged in the Federal court system. It ends up at SCOTUS. The twisted fuckers who are the 5 most radical RWers say the racial slavery laws ARE constitutional. Obviously they are NOT, but IF 5 say it is, even though it is insanely illegitimate, then what do we do? The RW'ers control (in my scenarios) ALL the branches of the Federal government, and perhaps Congress even at supermajority or semi-supermajority levels, plus hold at least 30-32 state trifectas, again often at supermajority levels.

I am of course (I hope) being absurd just to prove a point. Our Constitutional form of government relies on good faith at some base level. Toss that, and ANYTHING is possible. There is no appealing a SCOTUS decision, no matter how fucked it is. Same for a shit tonne of other fuckbaggery at almost every level we can imagine.

States CAN (especially if the federal judiciary doesn't stop them) stop holding popular vote POTUS elections or simply ignore them if they are not to their liking in terms of outcome. All they would have to do is change their own state laws (not easy, but absolutely possible).

Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 states that each state shall appoint electors "in such Manner as the Legislature Thereof May Direct"


Then there is this potential nightmare (imagine this happening with the Rethugs having my scenarios level of systemic control, but have not yet went fully batshit insane to the point of courting civil war)

A Constitutional Convention is closer than you think

https://www.coloradofiscal.org/2019/02/28/a-constitutional-convention-is-closer-than-you-think/

Article V contains two ways to amend the United States Constitution:

Congress can propose amendments

States can call for a Constitutional Convention (Article V Convention)

Two Paths Forward

Under Article V, Congress has the authority to propose Constitutional amendments. Any amendment proposed must pass through each chamber of Congress by a two-thirds majority and then be ratified by three-fourths (or 38) of the 50 states. Alternatively, Article V allows the states to call a Constitutional Convention if two-thirds (or 34) of 50 states submit a resolution proposing an amendment on one or many topics (or just a general call for convention without proposing a specific topic). Amendments proposed during a Constitutional Convention must also be ratified by three-fourths of the states. Since the first Constitutional Convention, Congress has proposed 33 constitutional amendments and 27 have been ratified.

There has never been a Constitutional Convention called by the states. However, many states have made efforts to call a convention. Estimates show state legislatures have passed hundreds of resolutions calling for an Article V Constitutional Convention in the last 200 years. Today, 42 states have at least one Article V resolution pending.

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they would only need 2 more states (if they have 32 trifectas) to join in the call for a Con Con to make it happen

who knows what foul products could come out of that

[vercetti2021]

19. If that all happens

Then civil war will erupt. Military or not. Lot of factions will end up using tactical methods. If they go hardcore trsnny. But I feel none of this will happen. I think H.R1 will pass. I'm confident in Biden

[Celerity]

20. I am confident in Biden, but not at all confident in Manchin and Sinema, and HR 1 is not the

only bill we need passed. There is the John Lewis Act (HR.4) too and some other smaller things too. Time will tell.

I know I laid out some wild outcomes (some on purpose to show the limits of our system), BUT, the actual outcomes (even if not to the absolute full extent, ie. the near upper limit of 63 Rethug Senators, but it easily could be well over 55 though, and we could lose a good chunk of those firewall Dem Governors) electorally are VERY possible if things go pear shaped.

[vercetti2021]

21. True

Like yours is ultimate nightmare fuel. I'd have to move to another country because anything LGBT would be outlawed and possibly punishable by death

[Celerity]

22. I have an instant inflection point where I go to the US embassy here and renounce my citizenship:

SCOTUS invalidates my marriage

I already have others reasons (especially financial, the double taxation issue is looming large for me) I do it as well. Trying to hold on for now.

[speak easy]

24. 'Go Big'

It is time to start thinking about winning the 2022 mid terms - and winning them well.

The best defense is ruthless offense.

[Celerity]

25. tell that to Manchin and Sinema, they are the two main in-party antagonists atm

[blueinredohio]

8. Get something done or were screwed from now on.

[uponit7771]

23. +1, US turns into Belarus or worse

[crickets]

11. You and me both. nt

[Mysterian]

2. Hell to the yeah!

The fascists must not be allowed to destroy democracy in the USA.

[PortTack]

4. That is good news...AG Garland is also the right person at the right time

[Deuxcents]

6. Might?

Might fight this? Georgia is the jumping off point with this .. better fight this n sure they will

[bucolic_frolic]

7. Codifying annulment of elections to benefit incumbents should be illegal

and how it would pass Constitutional muster needs some explaining too. Makes a sham of elections while abusing voters. You sure couldn't have every Georgia voter cast a ballot in a single election day.

[dhol82]

10. I'm sure the Robert's court will find a way.

I’m still pissed off at Comey. His crazy time gave us three trump justices.

[ecstatic]

16. Like Sen. Warnock said: Either we have a democracy, or we don't. Either we're all Americans

with the right to vote, or we're not. Which is it?

I was born in the United States. Am I an American or not? Is this a democracy? If the answer to both is yes, then "might sue" is a completely unacceptable response to a gross violation of civil rights.

[Sogo]

17. Well, I don't understand legal maneuvering enough to feel that this is a good thing or not....

By that I mean, if a battle between the DOJ and GA ends up in the SCOTUS and GA wins, what does that mean for any law, such as H1/S1 that might come after? Would a SCOTUS ruling in favor of GA take the teeth out of a Federal law?